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jcotter779
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“SOC inherited such a mess from dtc, maybe this is his way of trying to fix things rather than do something 'big' from the get go, he's just doing some filler until his big sls (which I think might involve RnR). Although I find it dull, maybe things will pick up soon.”

I would actually settle for dtc's ridiculous storylines over this damp squib of a show SOC is creating, the bins stuff is riveting though......
priscilla
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by jcotter779:
“I would actually settle for dtc's ridiculous storylines over this damp squib of a show SOC is creating, the bins stuff is riveting though......”

Something does need to happen, if this is what his era is going to look like then that is disappointing.
However the critism about RnR perspnally I think it's a good decision. Nearly 90% of Roxy's sl involve men, men that her sister doesn't like she has always played second fiddled to Ronnie. As for Ronnie she should have never returned, she came back had a nice relationship with Charlie (which got ruined) then went all evil, obsessed over her sister again and reunited with Jack. Both characters have given all they can, so I'm in the minority I have no issue with the axing or think it will greatly affect EE. What will affect EE, is SOC continues to churn out these filler sls imo.
Yoshi Fan
12-11-2016
I don't think it's helped him that both Emmerdale and Coronation Street have had big episodes/storylines recently and it's shown up just how dull EE actually is.

I appreciate what he's trying to do by grounding the show and adding some normality/realism, but that only works when there's a big storyline or two going on at the same time. Lee's depression, Kim's driving lessons and Denise's pregnancy isn't enough to make people go "oh yeah, I'll watch that!"
Whoopie Doo
12-11-2016
I think things should at least improve when Alex Lamb's replacement takes over.
Aura101
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“Something does need to happen, if this is what his era is going to look like then that is disappointing.
However the critism about RnR perspnally I think it's a good decision. Nearly 90% of Roxy's sl involve men, men that her sister doesn't like she has always played second fiddled to Ronnie. As for Ronnie she should have never returned, she came back had a nice relationship with Charlie (which got ruined) then went all evil, obsessed over her sister again and reunited with Jack. Both characters have given all they can, so I'm in the minority I have no issue with the axing or think it will greatly affect EE. What will affect EE, is SOC continues to churn out these filler sls imo.”

I have no issue with Ronnie and Roxy being axed, however killing them off is absolutely ridiculous, especially in the fashion in which they are being killed off.

Originally Posted by Yoshi Fan:
“I don't think it's helped him that both Emmerdale and Coronation Street have had big episodes/storylines recently and it's shown up just how dull EE actually is.

I appreciate what he's trying to do by grounding the show and adding some normality/realism, but that only works when there's a big storyline or two going on at the same time. Lee's depression, Kim's driving lessons and Denise's pregnancy isn't enough to make people go "oh yeah, I'll watch that!"”

I agree, Kims driving lessons and ''the bins'' should be a very small background plot, not the main storyline flavour of the month ffs
priscilla
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by Aura101:
“I have no issue with Ronnie and Roxy being axed, however killing them off is absolutely ridiculous, especially in the fashion in which they are being killed off.”

The stuff I'm hearing about their exit does sound but I don't have a problem with them being killed off. I guess they could also have had an exit where they are able to return but I'm not fussed on how they leave.
jcotter779
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“Something does need to happen, if this is what his era is going to look like then that is disappointing.
However the critism about RnR perspnally I think it's a good decision. Nearly 90% of Roxy's sl involve men, men that her sister doesn't like she has always played second fiddled to Ronnie. As for Ronnie she should have never returned, she came back had a nice relationship with Charlie (which got ruined) then went all evil, obsessed over her sister again and reunited with Jack. Both characters have given all they can, so I'm in the minority I have no issue with the axing or think it will greatly affect EE. What will affect EE, is SOC continues to churn out these filler sls imo.”

I've no problem with them being axed but killing them off is ridiculous man, i fear for the show under this guy.
priscilla
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by jcotter779:
“I've no problem with them being axed but killing them off is ridiculous man, i fear for the show under this guy.”

I guess because I don't really like RnR I don't think them being killed off is ridiculous however the stuff I'm hearing about how they are killed off (dress) does sound quite ridiculous. Yes! They could have also had an exit where they could return, personally I would have Ronnie go to prison for her part in Fatboy's death, then Roxy goes to Spain with Amy.
jcotter779
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by Yoshi Fan:
“I don't think it's helped him that both Emmerdale and Coronation Street have had big episodes/storylines recently and it's shown up just how dull EE actually is.

I appreciate what he's trying to do by grounding the show and adding some normality/realism, but that only works when there's a big storyline or two going on at the same time. Lee's depression, Kim's driving lessons and Denise's pregnancy isn't enough to make people go "oh yeah, I'll watch that!"”

Aye exactly there's nothing exciting happening or coming up to look forward too, the day to day has improved but as you say thats good if theres something big going on. I'm just not liking this at all, and belinda's out of the blue completely rushed exit has really pissed me off, why has she been axed? and i'm pretty sure she was axed because she retweeted someone saying the bosses had made a big mistake axing her, sorry SOC but your not winning many fans with this shite mate.
Broken_Arrow
12-11-2016
I really won't miss Roxy one bit. I hope the door is slammed shut on this played out tiresome waste of screentime.

Ronnie is a better character and I wouldn't be against her return some day as she's more interesting (or was at one time) but she's featured so rarely nowadays I don't see her exit as much of a loss.

Whoever lives or dies I'm certainly over the Mitchell Sisters as a duo. If I never hear "MAH SISTA" ever again it'll be too soon.
Damien_Johnson
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by jcotter779:
“I would actually settle for dtc's ridiculous storylines over this damp squib of a show SOC is creating, the bins stuff is riveting though......”

You do know the bins wasn't mentioned at all this week?
misty cloud
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by Damien_Johnson:
“You do know the bins wasn't mentioned at all this week?”

Sadly it was, Linda had an email about her complaint. It's looking like an ongoing story
Damien_Johnson
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by Aura101:
“I agree, Kims driving lessons and ''the bins'' should be a very small background plot, not the main storyline flavour of the month ffs ”

And Kim's driving lessons haven't been mentioned for weeks as well.

Sounds like those slagging off SOC arent even watching the show!
Kate Ford fan
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by davejc64:
“But that's very much the same with all soaps you could miss and entire weeks worth yet still be able to get back into watching straight away without the need to know exactly what has happened, all soap storylines a very predictable any how once a storyline has started you can very much predict the end straight away.”

I have to agree with this. Soaps have always been lowbrow entertainment and I honestly don't know what people on here expect from them. I always take try to take them for what they are worth.
jcotter779
12-11-2016
Another thing we had bloody shaqil and bex taking centre stage in a will shaqil get his hole storyline... i felt as if he was trolling us with that utter nonsense being a storyline, the show isn't going anywhere its brutal.
jimbo23
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by Kate Ford fan:
“I have to agree with this. Soaps have always been lowbrow entertainment and I honestly don't know what people on here expect from them. I always take try to take them for what they are worth.”

Low brow is ok, boring isnt
LaneKent
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by jcotter779:
“I've no problem with them being axed but killing them off”

The time is right for both sisters to go but I am really not sure about killing either off to make a quick ratings grabber moment; particularly if he struggles to replace them with three dimensional characters. EE has thrived on comebacks and faltered at creating strong new ones - with the odd exception. They have lived to regret killing off iconic characters in the past.

Ronnie should never of been a full time character after the baby swap - coming back only in guest slots. When Ronnie left, Glenda should of been kept on for Roxy as it would of been a different dynamic and they were becoming quite a double act. Roxy works best behind a bar and part of a double act. The Ronnie one is exausted now. But she has proved with the likes of Christian and Alfie, she can work in non romantic double acts. Big mistake was making her romantically involved with Alfie. Roxy and her failed love exploits have been done to death. So yes Roxy needs resting for sure. But killing both sisters off, I am really not sure about?
CherryRose
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by SuperSoaper:
“I'm so bored to death with nothing of note really happening from one episode to the next. It's as if he's tried to make the show like The Archers, but it just doesn't work.
I can see millions turning off in their droves if this contines for much longer. I'm finding very little to enjoy, and indeed I just had my back to the telly for most of the episode while I went on the internet. I've just stopped caring about it now.”


I question the ego of any executive who's first major story is to kill off two iconic long standing characters from the same family.

I honestly do not understand what long term gain can be given from killing off Ronnie and Roxy Mitchell. It's a decision he'll be remembered for, however I don't think it'll be for the good. No doubt it'll be a good if not great episode but it takes more to anchor oneself as a great executive producer than producing one or two decent episodes.

Peggy, Nick, Ronnie and Roxy........ will Dot and Phil be next?

Don't get me started with Belinda leaving!

I haven't seen much remotely interesting from him so far, there is only one word to describe EE atm SHIT!
Damien_Johnson
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by CherryRose:
“I question the ego of any executive who's first major story is to kill off two iconic long standing characters from the same family.

I honestly do not understand what long term gain can be given from killing off Ronnie and Roxy Mitchell. It's a decision he'll be remembered for, however I don't think it'll be for the good. No doubt it'll be a good if not great episode but it takes more to anchor oneself as a great executive producer than producing one or two decent episodes.

Peggy, Nick, Ronnie and Roxy........ will Dot and Phil be next?

Don't get me started with Belinda leaving!

I haven't seen much remotely interesting from him so far, there is only one word to describe EE atm SHIT!”

1. It's not been confirmed that R&R are dying - just speculation. And considering it's all people have been talking about for since August you could say his decision is justified. It's one of the most anticipated departures in years.

2. Peggy and Nick were killed by DTC. No, Phil won't be next - and June Brown will only be killed off when she decides to leave herself. In fact June Brown has been used better by SOC in 2 months than DTC did in 3 years.

3. Carli Norris' contract was signed by DTC not SOC. Besides, to bring characters in he needs to maneuver others out. You can't have it both ways.

4. That's your opinion which you're entitled too, but there's plenty of stories being set up from Lee's depression, Phil's transplant and Dot's deteriorating health to Denise's baby, Jay's drug issues and Max's return.
Ben96
13-11-2016
I think it's great
sorcha_healy27
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by CherryRose:
“I question the ego of any executive who's first major story is to kill off two iconic long standing characters from the same family.

I honestly do not understand what long term gain can be given from killing off Ronnie and Roxy Mitchell. It's a decision he'll be remembered for, however I don't think it'll be for the good. No doubt it'll be a good if not great episode but it takes more to anchor oneself as a great executive producer than producing one or two decent episodes.

Peggy, Nick, Ronnie and Roxy........ will Dot and Phil be next?

Don't get me started with Belinda leaving!

I haven't seen much remotely interesting from him so far, there is only one word to describe EE atm SHIT!”

So DTC killing Lucy should be considered an egosotical decision then ?

Ronnie and roxy are far less legacy characters then Lucy was. There is nothing else for ronnie as a character frankly than death imo
priscilla
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“So DTC killing Lucy should be considered an egosotical decision then ?

Ronnie and roxy are far less legacy characters then Lucy was. There is nothing else for ronnie as a character frankly than death imo”

I agree, RnR are not 'iconic' characters I don't see how their death is going to be a major blow to EE. I would say death or prison for Ronnie, either way idc how they leave as long as they don't return.

Dtc ego was so massive, and because of it he left a huge mess. Giving the Carters so many bloody sls when some of the cast who have been there for years have yet to have the amount of sls they did during his era. He messed with the history, killed of Lucy made Bobby the killer and ruined the Beales imo. Don't even get me started on Gavin or him over hyping everything
Damien_Johnson
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“I agree, RnR are not 'iconic' characters I don't see how their death is going to be a major blow to EE. I would say death or prison for Ronnie, either way idc how they leave as long as they don't return.

Dtc ego was so massive, and because of it he left a huge mess. Giving the Carters so many bloody sls when some of the cast who have been there for years have yet to have the amount of sls they did during his era. He messed with the history, killed of Lucy made Bobby the killer and ruined the Beales imo. Don't even get me started on Gavin or him over hyping everything ”

If the show can survive when characters like Den, Angie, Arthur, Lou, Pete, Cindy, Peggy, Pauline, Frank and Pat have all died - it'll survive when Ronnie and Roxy go. Because compared to those names, they really aren't that important.

I'll be dissapointed if Roxy dies. Rita Simons is good and I don't think Roxy deserves death. But there's no where else Ronnie can go.

Regardless, the show moves on. No-one is bigger than it.
CherryRose
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by Damien_Johnson:
“1. It's not been confirmed that R&R are dying - just speculation. And considering it's all people have been talking about for since August you could say his decision is justified. It's one of the most anticipated departures in years.

2. Peggy and Nick were killed by DTC. No, Phil won't be next - and June Brown will only be killed off when she decides to leave herself. In fact June Brown has been used better by SOC in 2 months than DTC did in 3 years.

3. Carli Norris' contract was signed by DTC not SOC. Besides, to bring characters in he needs to maneuver others out. You can't have it both ways.

4. That's your opinion which you're entitled too, but there's plenty of stories being set up from Lee's depression, Phil's transplant and Dot's deteriorating health to Denise's baby, Jay's drug issues and Max's return.”

It is just my opinion, however I think other will vote with their fingers. As in turning over or not bothering watching.

Lee's depression is rubbish, it's like a copy of Steve McDonalds.

Belinda is a huge loss.

The one and only decent storyline currently running is Denise's baby plot.

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“So DTC killing Lucy should be considered an egosotical decision then ?

Ronnie and roxy are far less legacy characters then Lucy was. There is nothing else for ronnie as a character frankly than death imo”

DTC's decision to kill Lucy off was egotistical, however the decision to kill off one major character is bold enough but two. It's like SOC is saying I can do it bigger.

Originally Posted by Damien_Johnson:
“If the show can survive when characters like Den, Angie, Arthur, Lou, Pete, Cindy, Peggy, Pauline, Frank and Pat have all died - it'll survive when Ronnie and Roxy go. Because compared to those names, they really aren't that important.

I'll be dissapointed if Roxy dies. Rita Simons is good and I don't think Roxy deserves death. But there's no where else Ronnie can go.

Regardless, the show moves on. No-one is bigger than it.”

BIB There are many of those characters that should never have been killed off.
Aura101
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by Damien_Johnson:
“If the show can survive when characters like Den, Angie, Arthur, Lou, Pete, Cindy, Peggy, Pauline, Frank and Pat have all died - it'll survive when Ronnie and Roxy go. Because compared to those names, they really aren't that important.

I'll be dissapointed if Roxy dies. Rita Simons is good and I don't think Roxy deserves death. But there's no where else Ronnie can go.

Regardless, the show moves on. No-one is bigger than it.”

Is the show really ''surviving'' though. The heart and soul got ripped out when Pat was killed off for no good reason. The show misses Cindy, there have been so many opportunites for her to have a grand return and the actress has already said she would go back, but she can't because shes dead!
Killing off Angie was also pointless.
Eastenders has a very bad history with killing off characters, i am amazed that SOC is being allowed to kill off the Mitchell sisters.
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