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Old 04-11-2016, 22:08
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Phil's liver I'm mildly interested in.
The rest I could not care less about. I'm actually dreading Ronnie/Roxy as I do not think they should be killed off.

I took liberty of checking out social media tonight, EastEnders is getting an absolute bashing!
I could just imagine twitter:

"OMG so boring, how come no-one got shot or killed!! Bring back Dom!!".

Just shows how dumbed down EE has become.
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Old 04-11-2016, 22:10
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I could just imagine twitter:

"OMG so boring, how come no-one got shot or killed!! Bring back Dom!!".

Just shows how dumbed down EE has become.
I don't get why some users are under the impression those who aren't as pleased with Sean's work so far automatically want Dom back? He was just as bad, and had he been EP, I am sure the episode would have been majorly hyped up, only for it to be a damp squib, with weeks of filler to follow!
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Old 04-11-2016, 22:11
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What a missed opportunity they had to really inject some life into the show with the wedding episode. I was looking forward to it as I was convinced something awful would happen to Lee, but absolutely nothing happened.

I'm all for making EastEnders a bit more realistic and grounded, but not completely at the expense of any excitement or tension. Nobody's talking about it now. I notice that for the first time in a very long time that they have not got any stories featured on the front cover of What's on TV this week.
I totally understand where you are coming from. Tonight's episode was good in my opinion however.
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Old 04-11-2016, 22:13
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I don't get why some users are under the impression those who aren't as pleased with Sean's work so far automatically want Dom back? He was just as bad, and had he been EP, I am sure the episode would have been majorly hyped up, only for it to be a damp squib, with weeks of filler to follow!
I think people are fed up with the fickleness of ds.

It wasn't a few weeks ago people were hyping up Sean and now the inevitable turning on him has happened even though he is only 3 months into the job.
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Old 04-11-2016, 22:19
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I don't get why some users are under the impression those who aren't as pleased with Sean's work so far automatically want Dom back? He was just as bad, and had he been EP, I am sure the episode would have been majorly hyped up, only for it to be a damp squib, with weeks of filler to follow!
I agree, but I'm going by some twitter users asking Treadwell-Collins to come back because it's "boring" without him.

It's a shame a well-written and well-performed depression story is being called "boring" by mainly teenagers. Shows how much mental health needs to be explored more.
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Old 04-11-2016, 22:24
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I agree, but I'm going by some twitter users asking Treadwell-Collins to come back because it's "boring" without him.

It's a shame a well-written and well-performed depression story is being called "boring" by mainly teenagers. Shows how much mental health needs to be explored more.
Well said.

In any case the morons on Facebook etc etc have the attention spans of gnats
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Old 05-11-2016, 09:41
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Facebook and Twitter only represents one (admittedly vocal) section of the audience. Lots of people will have no idea what's being said on there and no interest in it.

All that matters is whether the show gets the ratings that the BBC wants. They've chosen SOC to take the show in a slightly different direction, and as we don't know the objectives he's been given, we can't know how close the show currently is to repositioning itself within those parameters. I very much doubt we're there yet, it's only been a couple of months....
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Old 05-11-2016, 13:59
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EE got it's highest Friday rating since early April, nearly 6 million.

Shame the narrative from the press is that the show is boring, based off 2 or 3 tweets from teenagers.

The viewing figures are slowly improving.
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Old 05-11-2016, 14:24
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Whenever I've looked for 'EastEnders' mentions on Twitter, I've always found a mix of comments good and bad. If you're going on there to have your view that the show is bad affirmed then that's what you're going to get - your mind will filter accordingly - but the vice versa is true. There are some positive tweets too or at least there was the other day.

In my experience, people who constantly bring up Twitter etc don't tend to go on there to read and acknowledge comments on both sides. Instead it's usually because they want to come on here and prove some sort of point and by going on there first and only acknowledging the views that fit with their own they then feel confident enough to come on here and declare everyone on social media hates or loves (it's usually the former) the show so anyone saying different on here is wrong.

Much of the negativity I see on Twitter is people who can't make their point without swear words and mocking the way a character/actress looks (the Letitia Dean weight comments on Twitter are vile). In other cases it's people being incredibly picky, not what I would call notable criticism. Often, as well as people being fickle, there's a sheep mentality as well with the same tweet appearing in different guises.

Some actors/characters are consistently praised on there but when it comes to the show generally there has always been a mix of comments. Sometimes the balance will be tipped one way or the other but really who cares. This is DS, not Twitter. .
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Old 05-11-2016, 14:37
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Facebook and Twitter only represents one (admittedly vocal) section of the audience. Lots of people will have no idea what's being said on there and no interest in it.

All that matters is whether the show gets the ratings that the BBC wants. They've chosen SOC to take the show in a slightly different direction, and as we don't know the objectives he's been given, we can't know how close the show currently is to repositioning itself within those parameters. I very much doubt we're there yet, it's only been a couple of months....
Good post
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Old 05-11-2016, 14:56
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It's been bloody boring since Grant Mitchell left our screens which seems like ages ago. We need a gripping storyline again. Why can't the script writers come up with some decent storylines considering how much money they get paid.
Bar a few scenes Grant's big return was a big disappointment. The whole Ben/Jay kidnapping situation was a farce and him finding out about Mark Jnr was a totally superfluous development that only happened because they degraded Michelle's character. Even if we're never likely to see Michelle again, as a legend of the show she deserved more than that.
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Old 05-11-2016, 16:14
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Whenever I've looked for 'EastEnders' mentions on Twitter, I've always found a mix of comments good and bad. If you're going on there to have your view that the show is bad affirmed then that's what you're going to get - your mind will filter accordingly - but the vice versa is true. There are some positive tweets too or at least there was the other day.

In my experience, people who constantly bring up Twitter etc don't tend to go on there to read and acknowledge comments on both sides. Instead it's usually because they want to come on here and prove some sort of point and by going on there first and only acknowledging the views that fit with their own they then feel confident enough to come on here and declare everyone on social media hates or loves (it's usually the former) the show so anyone saying different on here is wrong.

Much of the negativity I see on Twitter is people who can't make their point without swear words and mocking the way a character/actress looks (the Letitia Dean weight comments on Twitter are vile). In other cases it's people being incredibly picky, not what I would call notable criticism. Often, as well as people being fickle, there's a sheep mentality as well with the same tweet appearing in different guises.

Some actors/characters are consistently praised on there but when it comes to the show generally there has always been a mix of comments. Sometimes the balance will be tipped one way or the other but really who cares. This is DS, not Twitter. .
It's human nature to whinge and moan more than to praise and let's be honest, a newspaper or web-site is not going to run a story saying how well EastEnders is doing unless there's something particularly big and noteworthy going on that's got everyone talking. No, they're always going to be negative because that's what people like to read and Twitter just allows them to make a story up about any element of the show at any time they want and they can easily find a handful of tweets to back up whatever they're claiming.

The article about Lee's depression was different as that was written by someone who understands what is being portrayed and and has been in that situation. To a lot of viewers, Lee's story will miss its objectives because it's not something they have experience of or aren't (willing or) able to see things from Lee's point of view.

What's more, EE's current policy of not releasing spoilers and the like doesn't help their situation as (a) the media isn't being handed stuff to write about, and (b) people generally don't have a feeling of excitement in what might be coming up. That's not to say there won't be excitement but people automatically think the worst. However, the BBC has chosen to go down this road and will undoubtedly know that some sectors of the media and the audience will attack it as a result. They must be sure that their vision will win through in the end. Let's hope they're right.

Bar a few scenes Grant's big return was a big disappointment. The whole Ben/Jay kidnapping situation was a farce and him finding out about Mark Jnr was a totally superfluous development that only happened because they degraded Michelle's character. Even if we're never likely to see Michelle again, as a legend of the show she deserved more than that.
All of these plots were symptomatic of the mess that EE got into during the second half of EE's tenure. It was cramming so much in that it was difficult to keep up and care about what was going on. Grant could have been handled much better in the few weeks he returned and the Mark Jnr story was rushed and squeezed in amongst a lot of other goings on. It would have had much more impact if it was teased and built up a little more before the big reveal. As it was we barely knew either Mark or Courtney, so didn't really care for them and that was probably made worse by knowing they were only in it for a few weeks, so the ramifications were always going to be non-existent. EE couldn't carry on in that vein and really had to undergo a repositioning and a stripping back to something more basic. On that front, SOC is doing a blinding job.
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Old 05-11-2016, 16:21
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It's boring.... Eastenders is about big plots....
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Old 05-11-2016, 16:31
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It's boring.... Eastenders is about big plots....
Is it? For all of its thirty years? I'm not sure about that! Big plots used to be an occasional treat, certainly not the norm.

(And before anyone tells me it's 2016 and not 1985, yes, I know. So what? )
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Old 05-11-2016, 16:40
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It's boring.... Eastenders is about big plots....
Actually it's known for its character driven and issue led plots
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Old 05-11-2016, 17:02
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Phil's liver I'm mildly interested in.
The rest I could not care less about. I'm actually dreading Ronnie/Roxy as I do not think they should be killed off.

I took liberty of checking out social media tonight, EastEnders is getting an absolute bashing!
I think that is largely for a new EP to stamp his mark and for ratings, a mistake if he carries it through, if he wants to flex his muscles then rest the characters , killing them off is short sighted .
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Old 05-11-2016, 17:38
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The axing of Ronnie/Roxy is a great decision both characters are well pass their sell by date.
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Old 05-11-2016, 18:14
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I did say on here months ago for ppl to be careful what they wish for when dtc stood down, he definitely had his faults but he bought drama and surprises to the show and whether ppl agreed with his stories and decisions he definitely got people talking, which is supposedly the ee caption. at the moment there isn't anything to talk about.

however il always give praise where it's due I thought last night was quite good, Lee and Whitney are playing their parts very well and it was all quite realistically done.
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Old 05-11-2016, 18:19
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The axing of Ronnie/Roxy is a great decision both characters are well pass their sell by date.
They are a huge part of the show, especially Ronnie who was lined up as Mitchell Matriarch (Remember all the scenes with her and Peggy?).

Now just because he needs to get his jollies, O'Connor is waxing them..

All in all, Eastenders has been the biggest shower of pish the last few weeks and I've actually stopped watching it.
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Old 05-11-2016, 18:19
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I did say on here months ago for ppl to be careful what they wish for when dtc stood down, he definitely had his faults but he bought drama and surprises to the show and whether ppl agreed with his stories and decisions he definitely got people talking, which is supposedly the ee caption. at the moment there isn't anything to talk about.

however il always give praise where it's due I thought last night was quite good, Lee and Whitney are playing their parts very well and it was all quite realistically done.
DTC era really wasn't much different and has plenty of crap months, pretty much 2015-2016 was shite, repetive boring scenes of The Carters arguing all the time!

Yeah its quiet and slow paced but not as much as a headache that was this past year.
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Old 05-11-2016, 18:21
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EastEnders is superb at the moment.

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Old 05-11-2016, 18:27
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EastEnders is superb at the moment.

Nothing more to add.
This.
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Old 05-11-2016, 18:30
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People might think the Lee and Whitney lovely romance plot has been boring, but as viewers we NEED to see them as a loving couple as much as possible in order for the depression storyline to pay off. I can't say I cared a jot about the Lee storyline when it was under DTC. It came across as incredibly empty, but last night my heart was breaking watching Lee on his wedding day.

SOC knows what he is doing, and there's no point in the big explosive drama if we don't care about the characters that they are about. We had 'explosive drama' under DTC - did anyone feel emotionally invested in the Claudette murderer reveal/ being buried alive? It was all for short term shock and to get those 'OMG' moments on Twitter.
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Old 05-11-2016, 18:31
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Is it? For all of its thirty years? I'm not sure about that! Big plots used to be an occasional treat, certainly not the norm.

(And before anyone tells me it's 2016 and not 1985, yes, I know. So what? )
Exactly, it's a cliche to say this, but EastEnders is definitely getting back to it's roots. The episodes feel so 'real' and we can really engage with the characters now that they're being developed more.

If people are finding it 'boring' I suggest Hollyoaks.
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Old 05-11-2016, 18:39
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EastEnders is superb at the moment.

Nothing more to add.
It really is.

Exactly, it's a cliche to say this, but EastEnders is definitely getting back to it's roots. The episodes feel so 'real' and we can really engage with the characters now that they're being developed more.

If people are finding it 'boring' I suggest Hollyoaks.
BIB: Please don't bring Hollyoaks into this, it's actually pretty good at the moment and has toned down on it's sensationalism a lot recently. Unfortunately it is mostly labelled as the joke soap when quite a lot of time it is pretty good.
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