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Week Four: Who Should Have Been Fired?


View Poll Results: Who should have been fired?
Grainne 24 26.37%
Karthik 6 6.59%
Mukai 66 72.53%
Somebody else on the losing team (please specify) 4 4.40%
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Old 27-10-2016, 21:48
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Old 27-10-2016, 22:03
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I think Mukai did alright on this task but the two previous tasks were the issue so I agree with the decision. I also don't think it was fair Karthik was fired as he was seen to do quite well. it was unlucky that this team lost as they did have two less people on the team and they probably should have shifted someone from the other team to them to even things up. I think a few people on winning team got away easy especially Alana and JD.
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Old 27-10-2016, 22:07
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Mukai really did influence the team with the whole handbag thing, plus, he'd already been in the final boardroom twice. there was no doubt that he was going to be fired.
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Old 27-10-2016, 22:14
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Probably Mukai as he had been in the BR 3 times. However he was right to push for the big ticket items as in the past I'm sure candidates have been fired, or certainly criticised for doing the opposite?
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Old 27-10-2016, 23:02
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Mukai most definitely. Was sick of his superciliousness.

Gráinne definitely made some mistakes but deserved another shot. It never seemed in the boardroom that she was really in line for firing.
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Old 27-10-2016, 23:08
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it was unlucky that this team lost as they did have two less people on the team and they probably should have shifted someone from the other team to them to even things up.
I agree, that was really unfair. They should have evened the teams up. Maybe Loralun did take that into account mentally when making his decision.
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Old 27-10-2016, 23:39
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Completely agreed with the decision. He'd had so many opportunities to show himself in a good light and just never did.
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Old 28-10-2016, 00:00
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The entire team was gunning for scarfs until Mukai butted in with his "expert knowledge" and steered the focus over to handbags, which ultimately cost them the task. Not to mention he also had a terrible vision for the window shopping AND had the least amount of sales on his team, so the right person was fired tonight for sure.

That said, I'm quite confused as to why it all went so heavy on Kartick at the end there. I mean we even had a point where Claude had a talking head moment praising Kartick's ability to get to grips with being a personal shopper and mentioned how he'd developed a good rapport with the customer.

So why did we go from THAT, to Kartick repeatedly being called a loose cannon in the boardroom yet again? Did I miss something? This isn't the first time the edit has painted Kartick as actually fairly competent and then shoehorned in "LOOSE CANNON KARTICK" out of nowhere.
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Old 28-10-2016, 00:52
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I don't think Mukai really did a lot wrong in this specific task, but his previous track record probably did it for him in the end. It was hard to pin down the blame in the task, and it did seem as if Grainne's team were at a disadvantage. Not only were they two members down, but the pre-arranged personal shopping client had a significantly lower budget than the other teams'.

We learned that Frances got their client to spend over twice their budget (their total was circa £1200) so their budget was approximately £600, whereas we learned Dillon's client could potentially have spent up to £5000 that day. Not a very fairly planned task.
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Old 28-10-2016, 05:57
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Grainne, for not using the window and being so undecisive in the Boardroom. Also, as PM she could have ignored the handbags and gone for the scarves instead.
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Old 28-10-2016, 07:19
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So what would have happened if both teams had chose scarves, I expect one team would have been asked to change.

The fact is the losing team chose to go with handbags they should have made the best of that opportunity and they didn't, they were told that putting someone in the window display had the potential to boost sales they chose not to take that advice that was the difference that caused them to fail so whoever was responsible for making the choice not to do that was the one who caused them to fail to make that extra sale that would have made the difference between winning and losing, I believe that person was the PM so that was who should have been fired.
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Old 28-10-2016, 07:50
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Mukai really did influence the team with the whole handbag thing, plus, he'd already been in the final boardroom twice. there was no doubt that he was going to be fired.
Totally agree. The right person got the boot in my view.
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Old 28-10-2016, 08:22
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Grainne without a doubt for me!

Several reasons.....

1. Didn't use her insider knowledge of which departments at Liberty were the customer magnets to make the correct choice.

2. Refused to listen to the store's advice to use a person in the window, and compounded it by refusing to listen to Mukhai when he pleaded with her to put someone in there.....

3. Brought Karthik back for no reason other than to try and get him fired (and deliberately sidelining him in the personal shopper task.

4. Her indecisiveness as to who to bring back - I could understand Mukhai's presence, but didn't see why she was going to bring Rebecca back when she had the biggest sales, surely one of the others sold and did less. Couldn't see why Karthik was there - especially as Claude had commented on how well he was doing as a personal shopper, and the customer seemed to like him too!

I think the choice of handbags was OK - as was pointed out they were big ticket items, and they lost by the price of one bag.... who knows, if that lady had gone with Karthik's handbag, or that having someone in window for a few minutes would have brought in the customer who bought a top of the range bag? They had four people selling bags, and they clearly weren't that busy given the sales total, so she could have put one in the window for a while.

She had a lucky escape - if it wasn't for the fact that this was Mukhais third visit to the boardroom, she would have gone
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Old 28-10-2016, 10:54
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Mukai was the right one.
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Old 28-10-2016, 10:58
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If the sellers could actually SELL high end handbags then they'd have won, easily.
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Old 28-10-2016, 10:59
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okay, the more that i think about it, the result of this episode really annoyed me for multiple reasons:

1. Aleksandra leaving when she did. it was totally unfair on her team, and meant that they couldn't alter the teams to equally be 7 vs 7 instead of 6 vs 8, which leads onto the next point...

2. ...of course Nebula couldn't have had Rebecca in the window; they only had six people on their team at all, which meant that they needed as many people as they could have had to sell at once.

3. majority of Titans was useless. besides Dillon and Jessica, the rest of them barely contributed, making their win totally biased in favour of Dillon and Jessica. had neither of them been in the team, Titans would have lost. Sofiane was a weak project manager, and it was clear that nobody on the team trusted him. Grainne was at least a much more effective PM.

4. most of the time in TA, teams aren't allowed to specialise in the same product. it was never established that Nebula also choosing to endorse scarves would have been allowed, but it's likely, making it unfair once again, to place the blame on them choosing bags.

i know that i'm being biased here, because i'm really rooting for Grainne and seriously despise Sofiane, but the result for this episode was totally wrong.
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Old 28-10-2016, 11:05
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Sofiane was majorly carried by his team-mates, yet will be toasting this as if its 'his' win.

Sugar will not let this guy win so don't worry.
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Old 28-10-2016, 11:39
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Sofiane was majorly carried by his team-mates, yet will be toasting this as if its 'his' win.

Sugar will not let this guy win so don't worry.
now that i think about, Sofiane really reminds me of Richard from series 11. both of them think highly of themselves, as if they don't need anyone else on the team. i wouldn't be surprised of Sofiane also made it to the interviews.
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Old 28-10-2016, 12:16
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I think a critical error Mukai made was refusing to accept responsibility for the bag decision. I think it would have sat a lot better if he had owned the decision, rather than pretending it was only a suggestion he made.

I agree that putting Karthick in the board room seemed a poorly timed attack. He had an edit where he was seen to improve on known weaknesses, then was attacked on the grounds of things he'd shown himself to be better at.
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Old 28-10-2016, 13:14
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now that i think about, Sofiane really reminds me of Richard from series 11. both of them think highly of themselves, as if they don't need anyone else on the team. i wouldn't be surprised of Sofiane also made it to the interviews.
Disageee. Richard WAS good, the clear best performer in that series.
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Old 28-10-2016, 13:17
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Disageee. Richard WAS good, the clear best performer in that series.
oh yes, as i said, they're both very good business men, but have an off-putting sense of superiority about themselves.
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Old 28-10-2016, 13:37
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oh yes, as i said, they're both very good business men, but have an off-putting sense of superiority about themselves.
I don't think they're really like that, just show-bravado. Can't be sure of course.
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Old 28-10-2016, 16:34
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Both Grannie and Mukai should have gone.

Mukai for being in the BR for 3 times in a row, and Grannie because I actually agree with what Mukai on the side show, she was the PM, she agreed to go with the bags, she could have over ruled, she should have put Rebecca in the window, from what it sounds like Rebecca was poor in sales, so she should have been trying to promote like Jess did. She showed herself to be very indecisive, Karthik should not have been in the BR, he did pretty well in this task I thought, surprisingly. She should have brought back Rebecca for poor sales instead. Not a good leader if she does not respect her team mates, she treated Kathik appalling I thought . I dont think she was that great of a PM tbh, she was lucky Mukai had been in the BR so many times.
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Old 28-10-2016, 17:07
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Grainne definitely...for allowing her personal intolerance of certain team members to cloud her judgement particularly with respect to the window...and which is why they lost the task. Very disappointing that Claude failed to feed this back to Sugar; also not sure what 'potential' Sugar is claiming to see in her...
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Old 28-10-2016, 17:18
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also not sure what 'potential' Sugar is claiming to see in her...
..I think its more about what he see in her business plan...

For me, Mukai deserved to go without a shadow...
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