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Old 28-10-2016, 07:58
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Finally Cain came to his senses, and ended things with Charity. Moira clearly still loves him. How should their reunion happen? Cain has his work cut out for him to win her and her trust back, she's lashing out due to grief and him hurting her.

(and Charity got called what she really was for him, an easy way out. Will she get with Ross now, and end up losing him when eventually Debbie returns?)
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Old 28-10-2016, 08:15
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There was more chemistry and sexual tension in that one small scene with Cain and Moira, than there could ever be in 20 years worth of scenes with Cain and Charity.

Great decision from the writers, they belong together. hope it isnt too long before he wins her back.
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Old 28-10-2016, 08:19
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Charity sat in car at edge of quarry, does she doesn't she cliché scene.
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Old 28-10-2016, 08:24
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There was more chemistry and sexual tension in that one small scene with Cain and Moira, than there could ever be in 20 years worth of scenes with Cain and Charity.

Great decision from the writers, they belong together. hope it isnt too long before he wins her back.
Yep, it wasn't working with Cain and Charity at all. She looked just pathetic throughout, she was cruel to Moira who had done nothing to deserve it. If you have to beg a man to stay with you, it's not worth it.
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Old 28-10-2016, 08:48
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Cain & Charity worked 10 years ago but not now.

Charity only wanted Cain when she was in prison and had no one.

Cain has grown up since with Moira and it's easily seen that they both love each other and like Cain said it's a different love for Moira than he feels for Charity.

I know some say Cain is boring with Moira, but even the actor said it wouldn't be right Cain still playing the same type of character like before. He will always have a certain amount of "bad boy" image but nobody wants an aging "hard man" it's sad! Aka Phil Mitchell!!
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Old 28-10-2016, 09:01
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I do prefer Cain with Moira but I don't like that he seems to expect to have her all to himself. I know he's helped get Adam out of trouble but he does treat him with some contempt, as he did Holly. In fact I thought Cain was VILE to Holly, and it was a side of him that I really did not like. I found the rebooted Holly quite vulnerable and on more than one occasion she really tried hard with Cain, but he was just continually horrible to her. I'm not surprised Moira is somewhat unforgiving toward him, he deserves far worse for the way he treated her daughter, somewhat asking her to choose between her or him, that is total unreasonable!
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Old 28-10-2016, 09:07
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I do prefer Cain with Moira but I don't like that he seems to expect to have her all to himself. I know he's helped get Adam out of trouble but he does treat him with some contempt, as he did Holly. In fact I thought Cain was VILE to Holly, and it was a side of him that I really did not like. I found the rebooted Holly quite vulnerable and on more than one occasion she really tried hard with Cain, but he was just continually horrible to her. I'm not surprised Moira is somewhat unforgiving toward him, he deserves far worse for the way he treated her daughter, somewhat asking her to choose between her or him, that is total unreasonable!
I do agree with what you are saying, however I think the reason he was like he was with Holly was because he was using his own experience having lived his whole childhood with Shadrach and what he went through with him.

When Marlon was going through problems with Laurel, Cain was saying the same to Marlon and how once and addict always an addict.

Not saying he deserves to be taken back with open arms it's just he sees it completely differently.
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Old 28-10-2016, 09:10
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I am glad Cain is going to fight for Moira- they have always been incredible together!
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Old 28-10-2016, 09:15
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Agree with those saying Cain has grown up and moved on.

I am actually quite disappointed with how Charity has been portrayed in all of this.

She has always been a hugely strong woman (she's had to be!) and always the one in charge but they've changed her into somebody needy who is desperate to grab Cain.

Old style Charity would have yelled at him to do one when he got out of the car and driven off into the sunset with her head held high, not stood there shrieking at him....

I wanted her to say "You know what, stuff you, I don't need you" but sadly not...
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Old 28-10-2016, 09:24
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I'm very pleased with Moira, she's sticking to her guns as Cain can be great but he's also flaky. Charity hadn't came out of this well at all, I wonder how she'll bounce back and with who?
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Old 28-10-2016, 09:24
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Agree with those saying Cain has grown up and moved on.

I am actually quite disappointed with how Charity has been portrayed in all of this.

She has always been a hugely strong woman (she's had to be!) and always the one in charge but they've changed her into somebody needy who is desperate to grab Cain.

Old style Charity would have yelled at him to do one when he got out of the car and driven off into the sunset with her head held high, not stood there shrieking at him....

I wanted her to say "You know what, stuff you, I don't need you" but sadly not...
I completely agree with this. I don't like how desperate Charity has been portrayed and it does seem out of character for her. I said in another thread yesterday that if Emma Atkins is indeed pregnant and is taking a break, I'd like Charity to return much stronger and back to her best! This version of her is rather weak and pathetic!!
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Old 28-10-2016, 09:34
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I completely agree with this. I don't like how desperate Charity has been portrayed and it does seem out of character for her. I said in another thread yesterday that if Emma Atkins is indeed pregnant and is taking a break, I'd like Charity to return much stronger and back to her best! This version of her is rather weak and pathetic!!
I think it is harsh to call her weak and pathetic. I agree that she has acted differently. She actually put her heart on the line and lost- she isn't used to loosing control of a situation, but she has known all throughout her short lived reunion with Cain that it was fragile and that knowledge is what has made her more emotional.

She is used to getting what she wants and I honestly don't think it ever entered her head that she could not win Cain back- in her mind they have the ultimate love story on and off again over years and years and she believed (naively) that Moira was just a phase.

Cain has grown and changed- but i think what people are missing is that Charity has also- she's older, had another child and isn't as capable of putting on that hard faced mask (with people she cares for)

Her standing their screeching and making threats was pure panic at not being able to coax Cain back to her and she was lashing out for any kind of reaction.

I have actually enjoyed seeing Charity this way (though hated that she came between Cain and Moira at all) It's nice to see her vulnerable for once instead of always being the smirking camp villain that always comes out on top.

Anyway- if this was indeed her exit (for maternity) then I have no doubt that when she returns it will be as a much harder persona.
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Old 28-10-2016, 09:39
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I completely agree with this. I don't like how desperate Charity has been portrayed and it does seem out of character for her. I said in another thread yesterday that if Emma Atkins is indeed pregnant and is taking a break, I'd like Charity to return much stronger and back to her best! This version of her is rather weak and pathetic!!
I have never liked the Charity character but have always had regard for her strength and I thought the yelling and neediness was completely out of character.

I loved the scene with Cain and Moira in the kitchen - so much conveyed with so little speech. I understand that Moira could not readily forgive Cain for his treatment of Holly but that had come, as others have said, from his experience of living with an alcoholic. Her despair and sadness has been beautifully done and all credit to Natalie Robb.

I do hope they get back together as I know from personal experience that in times like this a shoulder to lean on is essential.
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Old 28-10-2016, 09:48
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I have never liked the Charity character but have always had regard for her strength and I thought the yelling and neediness was completely out of character.

I loved the scene with Cain and Moira in the kitchen - so much conveyed with so little speech. I understand that Moira could not readily forgive Cain for his treatment of Holly but that had come, as others have said, from his experience of living with an alcoholic. Her despair and sadness has been beautifully done and all credit to Natalie Robb.

I do hope they get back together as I know from personal experience that in times like this a shoulder to lean on is essential.
Yep - the bib in particular - ED is good when it comes to knowing when less is more.

I hope that Cain and Moira do work it out and get back together and I hope that when/if Charity returns ED don't try to go round the whole thing again.

Personally, I would like them to have Charity remain single - she's a strong character who shouldn't need a man to define her.
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Old 28-10-2016, 10:15
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I have never liked the Charity character but have always had regard for her strength and I thought the yelling and neediness was completely out of character.

I loved the scene with Cain and Moira in the kitchen - so much conveyed with so little speech. I understand that Moira could not readily forgive Cain for his treatment of Holly but that had come, as others have said, from his experience of living with an alcoholic. Her despair and sadness has been beautifully done and all credit to Natalie Robb.

I do hope they get back together as I know from personal experience that in times like this a shoulder to lean on is essential.
I love it when Cain steps up, and makes an effort, to get what he wants. This meh he's been in for months, just taking the easiest way out, has been so unattractive. Yesterday he had a purpose, it already showed when he sprinted to say his goodbyes to Moira. And then when he returned to the farm, he was like a new man.

I'm actually exited to see where they go from here and how. Even Charity, what will she do? The Cain/Charity door should be firmly closed, this should be a wake up call to her. Her own son hates her, will she start acting like a mother?
And how will Cain/Moira reunion happen? He knows her walls are up, she'll lash out often, he has his work cut out for him. How far will his patience stretch? When will he snap back? I'm thinking they'll have a Christmas reunion, so there's a few weeks to build it up.
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Old 28-10-2016, 10:20
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I love it when Cain steps up, and makes an effort, to get what he wants. This meh he's been in for months, just taking the easiest way out, has been so unattractive. Yesterday he had a purpose, it already showed when he sprinted to say his goodbyes to Moira. And then when he returned to the farm, he was like a new man.

I'm actually exited to see where they go from here and how. Even Charity, what will she do? The Cain/Charity door should be firmly closed, this should be a wake up call to her. Her own son hates her, will she start acting like a mother?
And how will Cain/Moira reunion happen? He knows her walls are up, she'll lash out often, he has his work cut out for him. How far will his patience stretch? When will he snap back? I'm thinking they'll have a Christmas reunion, so there's a few weeks to build it up.
He will labour away, unpaid and resented by Moira, fixing the fences, working the fields, seeing to the animals, cold and uncomfortable in the caravan, fed by Chas in the Woolie, until, just before Christmas, Moira will have an epiphany, and Cain will be back in the fold just in time for his turkey dinner at Butler's Farm.
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Old 28-10-2016, 10:38
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He will labour away, unpaid and resented by Moira, fixing the fences, working the fields, seeing to the animals, cold and uncomfortable in the caravan, fed by Chas in the Woolie, until, just before Christmas, Moira will have an epiphany, and Cain will be back in the fold just in time for his turkey dinner at Butler's Farm.
Who's ever going to turn down free farm workers?

Cain deserves it, the amount of times Moira had to face the horrid Charity, and then see Cain eith her. Labour away, Cain.
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Old 28-10-2016, 11:19
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I don't agree that Cain belongs with Moira. All she did when they were together was moan and nag him constantly for this that and the other, screeching whenever he tried to sort some problem out for her. He was bang on about Holly too, he said she'd break her mother's heart and should have stayed away and he was right, she did. Moira's no innocent either, she was quite happy to go after James behind Emma's back (again) so she can't take the moral high ground. She doesn't deserve him, she threw him out because she couldn't deal with his personality or the fact she couldn't mould him into what she wanted him to be by nagging enough. If she couldn't accept him as he was she shouldn't have married him and he shouldn't have gone crawling back to her like a spanked chihuahua whimpering pitifully to try and desperately get a kind word and the odd glimmer of kindness off it's impossible to please owner.
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Old 28-10-2016, 11:41
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Who's ever going to turn down free farm workers?

Cain deserves it, the amount of times Moira had to face the horrid Charity, and then see Cain eith her. Labour away, Cain.
Totally agree!
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Old 28-10-2016, 11:47
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I don't agree that Cain belongs with Moira. All she did when they were together was moan and nag him constantly for this that and the other, screeching whenever he tried to sort some problem out for her. He was bang on about Holly too, he said she'd break her mother's heart and should have stayed away and he was right, she did. Moira's no innocent either, she was quite happy to go after James behind Emma's back (again) so she can't take the moral high ground. She doesn't deserve him, she threw him out because she couldn't deal with his personality or the fact she couldn't mould him into what she wanted him to be by nagging enough. If she couldn't accept him as he was she shouldn't have married him and he shouldn't have gone crawling back to her like a spanked chihuahua whimpering pitifully to try and desperately get a kind word and the odd glimmer of kindness off it's impossible to please owner.
Much as I want Cain and Moira back together, you make very good points. She was also unfaithful to her first husband and had another man's child, so yes, she can hardly take any moral highground.
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Old 28-10-2016, 11:54
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I don't agree that Cain belongs with Moira. All she did when they were together was moan and nag him constantly for this that and the other, screeching whenever he tried to sort some problem out for her. He was bang on about Holly too, he said she'd break her mother's heart and should have stayed away and he was right, she did. Moira's no innocent either, she was quite happy to go after James behind Emma's back (again) so she can't take the moral high ground. She doesn't deserve him, she threw him out because she couldn't deal with his personality or the fact she couldn't mould him into what she wanted him to be by nagging enough. If she couldn't accept him as he was she shouldn't have married him and he shouldn't have gone crawling back to her like a spanked chihuahua whimpering pitifully to try and desperately get a kind word and the odd glimmer of kindness off it's impossible to please owner.
Well said Collie.
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Old 28-10-2016, 12:04
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Maybe Moira holds Cain in someway responsible for Holly's death and feels that if he had stuck around and been alot nicer to Holly, that Holly would still be alive, but we all know that isn't true, Holly seemed to be happy before the accidental overdose, so nothing and no one could have predicted her death as she was doing so well.

Moira is angry at herself and reflects that onto Cain, because Cain spoke crap about Holly.

Perhaps Cain will have a minor accident and Moira - thinking it's worse than it is - will rush to his side and they will end up in a passionate embrace. This is what usually happens in situations like this on soaps
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Old 28-10-2016, 12:09
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Maybe Moira holds Cain in someway responsible for Holly's death and feels that if he had stuck around and been alot nicer to Holly, that Holly would still be alive, but we all know that isn't true, Holly seemed to be happy before the accidental overdose, so nothing and no one could have predicted her death as she was doing so well.

Moira is angry at herself and reflects that onto Cain, because Cain spoke crap about Holly.

Perhaps Cain will have a minor accident and Moira - thinking it's worse than it is - will rush to his side and they will end up in a passionate embrace. This is what usually happens in situations like this on soaps
We're all so cynical aren't we!
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Old 28-10-2016, 12:11
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We're all so cynical aren't we!
Bet we're right though
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Old 28-10-2016, 12:14
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Bet we're right though
Yep, I always tell people that when they call me a cynic - Nope, I'm just a realist.
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