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Dr Who 14th may |
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25 | 3.51% |
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168 | 23.60% |
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415 | 58.29% |
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#301 |
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Originally Posted by ludovica
Doesn't the existence of the photos on Mickey's website indicate that the paradox was not properly mended at all?
The site has obviously been produced at a different time to the show because there have also been references to topical events (the Graham Norton voice, Anne Widdecombe photo etc.) |
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#302 |
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jamie didn't span two doctors - he was just with the 2nd doctor
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Originally Posted by etldlrl
Pretty much all sci-fi involving time travel hits a problem with the "butterfly effect". The idea is that you can go back in time and "not interfere" and not risk a paradox, or that you can repair a paradox situation by returning things to more or less the way they were before you interfered. If you accept that everything, no matter how minor, affects everything else then there is no scope for this sort of scenario. Even by turning up and moving a few air molecules about you risk altering the future.
In order to keep time travel stories alive you have to assume that there is is a mechanism which causes minor changes such as the ones introduced to work their way out of the system and reconverge on the "correct" time line. If this reconvergence took some time then it would be possible for a few minor side effects of the paradox to still be seen a few years later, e.g. on Mickey's web site. |
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#304 |
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Wow is all I can use to discribe tonight's episode. I love all of New Doctor Who so far but tonights has really raised the bar. Everyone is right about the emotional content of the show - really connects you to the characters and I found that more satisfying than the plot its self. That said I thought the reapers were brilliant. Would love to see them developed into a recurring enemy though not sure how it could be done.
10 out of 10 and to be honest I far preferred this one to Dalek. |
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Originally Posted by beee
I firstly have to get one issue out of the way - why on Earth did the Doctor take Rose back to the same time twice if he knew it would create a vulnerability in time? He should have learned last week that you cannot trust us human beings - Adam was supposed to be a genius, but that didn't stop him doing something stupid by leaving messages on his parents' answerphone.
He doesn't really understand us, the human race. And although he shouldn't have taken Rose back twice to the same point in time (he knew it was wrong by the expression on his face) he does have a certain 'fondness' for her, so would want to please her. And there are no more Timelords around, so no-one to remind him of the 'rules.' This new Who universe is different to the old one - and all to the good. |
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Originally Posted by etldlrl
Pretty much all sci-fi involving time travel hits a problem with the "butterfly effect". The idea is that you can go back in time and "not interfere" and not risk a paradox, or that you can repair a paradox situation by returning things to more or less the way they were before you interfered. If you accept that everything, no matter how minor, affects everything else then there is no scope for this sort of scenario. Even by turning up and moving a few air molecules about you risk altering the future.
In order to keep time travel stories alive you have to assume that there is is a mechanism which causes minor changes such as the ones introduced to work their way out of the system and reconverge on the "correct" time line. If this reconvergence took some time then it would be possible for a few minor side effects of the paradox to still be seen a few years later, e.g. on Mickey's web site. For example by typing this message I could make somebody stay at their computer for 15 seconds longer than they might have otherwise, who could then go out to the shop and walk over a zebra crossing delaying a car that might otherwise not have been delayed so they don't make it to the next set of traffic lights before they go red. Whilst waiting at the traffic lights they have a CD on and somebody walking past gets that tune in their head and goes home and downloads it. In a couple of months time the song comes on their random playlist and they turn it up loud, which interrupts the couple next door who are just about to try to make a baby . This delays them by a couple of seconds as they hear the noise, which causes a different sperm to fertilise the egg and a completely different person is born than would have otherwise. cool ![]() Like most other things, with time travel it would be impossible to observe without affecting in some small way. |
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The Doctor was always a rogue in the eyes of the Gallifrey Council of elders, wasn't that why he was out there roaming space and time in the first place?
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I thought it was great, brilliant the best episode so far. HUGE plot holes but that doesn't really matter there can always be some excuse made for them...this is sci-fi after all!!!
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A really nice variation on the old time travel paradox stuff.
Odd that llast week's was such crap and tonight's was so good. |
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Originally Posted by ludovica
Did they really go ahaed with the wedding, as I think monsters appearing and the death of a guest (or several) would make me postpone, frankly
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
A good point, beee, but you have to remember, the Doctor is not human, he doesn't think like us. He takes things at face value and is always looking for the good in people.
He doesn't really understand us, the human race. And although he shouldn't have taken Rose back twice to the same point in time (he knew it was wrong by the expression on his face) he does have a certain 'fondness' for her, so would want to please her. And there are no more Timelords around, so no-one to remind him of the 'rules.' This new Who universe is different to the old one - and all to the good. Is it normal for the Doctor to still find his life confusing so long after a regeneration? It's almost as if his brain hasn't regenerated properly or something... |
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Originally Posted by gregmantis
For example by typing this message I could make somebody stay at their computer for 15 seconds longer than they might have otherwise, who could then go out to the shop and walk over a zebra crossing delaying a car that might otherwise not have been delayed so they don't make it to the next set of traffic lights before they go red. Whilst waiting at the traffic lights they have a CD on and somebody walking past gets that tune in their head and goes home and downloads it. In a couple of months time the song comes on their random playlist and they turn it up loud, which interrupts the couple next door who are just about to try to make a baby
. This delays them by a couple of seconds as they hear the noise, which causes a different sperm to fertilise the egg and a completely different person is born than would have otherwise. cool ![]() |
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Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict
A really nice variation on the old time travel paradox stuff.
Odd that llast week's was such crap and tonight's was so good. ![]() I guess I have the problem where the paradox affects the main protaganists so much. The other paradoxes in the series go on in the background and can be forgotten where as tonights program contained paradoxes that direrctly affected why the charaters were there at all. |
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#313 |
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Originally Posted by beee
They forgot it happened - that was an effect of the wound in time being fixed. So it's plausible that some photos survived, whilst the actual guests forgot about the big monsters and weird disappearances.
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So what you are saying is that Time DID actually change forever, even though Dad made the supreme sacrifice? Why then can the people not remember? I can accept they wouldn't if the time rift was healed and things went back to plan A (dad gets killed on that bleak road, driver doesn't stop, dad dies alone, Hoskins wedding goes according to plan minus Dad whose death is discovered later). As things stand at the end, Dad dies right by the church, in full sight of all.. Did they really go ahaed with the wedding, as I think monsters appearing and the death of a guest (or several) would make me postpone, frankly
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Originally Posted by beee
Is it normal for the Doctor to still find his life confusing so long after a regeneration? It's almost as if his brain hasn't regenerated properly or something...
Plus, he's suffering from 'survivor's syndrome' which wouldn't make it any easier. |
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Originally Posted by ludovica
But they can't have forgotten as Jackie tells little Rose about the girl standing over him, which means she saw it, so Dad did die outside the Church instead of on the Business park type road which means the Vicar and Grooms father would only just have reappeared leaving no time for the ceremony to have taken place?
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#317 |
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Originally Posted by ludovica
But they can't have forgotten as Jackie tells little Rose about the girl standing over him, which means she saw it, so Dad did die outside the Church instead of on the Business park type road which means the Vicar and Grooms father would only just have reappeared leaving no time for the ceremony to have taken place?
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Oh yes - he's in a big state of confusion for weeks after he's regenerated (Castrovalva being a point in fact). The regenerations don't always go smoothly - and seem to get more difficult as the Doctor gets older.
Plus, he's suffering from 'survivor's syndrome' which wouldn't make it any easier.
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Originally Posted by beee
He just seems so unstable and unpredictable. Not a good thing when he's supposed to be saving lives
![]() He's not perfect - which makes him all the more believable. |
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One possibility - if you assume that it's taken maybe an hour of time between the bride arriving and it all kicking off with the creatures - to when finally Rose's dad gets run over, that when everyone else suddenly reappears and return to the original timeline, the wedding ceremony may have already happened.
.. Makes you want to look what's written on the register though!.. I bet the Vicar was confused!
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You remember how a couple of weeks ago people complained about how the BBC Three repeat was ruined because the BBC Logo was put in the corner. And you remember how the BBC apologised saying it was an error because they had a policy of not putting the logo on drama and performance.
Well, it would seem that the BBC has just travelled back in time because tonight's BBC Three repeat is currently being shown comeplete with overlaid logo. If anyone else fancies reminding them I think it is via www.bbc.co.uk/complaints |
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I'm sure that I will come in for some criticism for this, but oh well
![]() In my opinion Rose got exactly what she deserved, she acted selfishly and thought only of herself and what she wanted and she knew this by her reaction to The Doctor. She caused the death of countless people, not to mention THE DOCTOR and could have destroyed all life on the earth itself ! Simply because she did not listen and acted selfishly. The Doctor had every right to speak to her in the way that he did and it would have served Rose right if The Doctor left her behind ! I hope that Rose had learnt her lesson ! Overall, I thought that it was a very good, very interesting story. It was good to see Rose's dad as I do think that was an essential part of the Rose story, however, I thought that the show was overly sentimental and emotional. Perhaps I'm getting hard faced in my old age, lol ... if I had a chance to go back to 10:30pm on Monday 15 March 1982, and call for an ambulance *before* my dad had his fatal heart attack, I'd do it. Sod the timeline. Gary dob: 20 March 1967. You do the maths. |
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You remember how a couple of weeks ago people complained about how the BBC Three repeat was ruined because the BBC Logo was put in the corner. And you remember how the BBC apologised saying it was an error because they had a policy of not putting the logo on drama and performance.
Well, it would seem that the BBC has just travelled back in time because tonight's BBC Three repeat is currently being shown comeplete with overlaid logo. If anyone else fancies reminding them I think it is via www.bbc.co.uk/complaints quote: " We would like to apologise to those viewers who found the on-screen graphic about our new programme House of Tiny Tearaways distracting during Dr Who on Sunday 1st May on BBC Three. Our policy is not to put graphics on screen during films or drama, but unfortunately on this occasion human error led to the graphic being shown and we are very sorry that it adversely affected enjoyment of Dr Who." |
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Are you not emotional then? Did you not cry at Beaches or at Phantom of the Opera?
I cried when Bambi's mum died, does that count? Gary |
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Our policy is not to put graphics on screen during films or drama
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Personally I think the Dalek episode was by far the worst and a poor story considering that the Daleks are the Doctors most feared Nemisis, what will we get next Cybermen intouch with their Femine side ?
They broke the Golden Dalek Laws on this one. 1.They can't do stairs, the flying dalek looked silly 2.They're not nice neither. "Fathers Day" was the best and cleverest of them all so far. |
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. This delays them by a couple of seconds as they hear the noise, which causes a different sperm to fertilise the egg and a completely different person is born than would have otherwise. cool 
.. Makes you want to look what's written on the register though!.. I bet the Vicar was confused!
