I don't think that site always ties in exactly with the episodes. it's obviously part of the BBC's marketing of the show, and I don't reckon that any inconsistancies on it should be assumed that they're followed through to the actual programme.

The site has obviously been produced at a different time to the show because there have also been references to topical events (the Graham Norton voice, Anne Widdecombe photo etc.)

jamie didn't span two doctors - he was just with the 2nd doctor

So what you are saying is that Time DID actually change forever, even though Dad made the supreme sacrifice? Why then can the people not remember? I can accept they wouldn't if the time rift was healed and things went back to plan A (dad gets killed on that bleak road, driver doesn't stop, dad dies alone, Hoskins wedding goes according to plan minus Dad whose death is discovered later). As things stand at the end, Dad dies right by the church, in full sight of all.. Did they really go ahaed with the wedding, as I think monsters appearing and the death of a guest (or several) would make me postpone, frankly

Wow is all I can use to discribe tonight's episode. I love all of New Doctor Who so far but tonights has really raised the bar. Everyone is right about the emotional content of the show - really connects you to the characters and I found that more satisfying than the plot its self. That said I thought the reapers were brilliant. Would love to see them developed into a recurring enemy though not sure how it could be done.

10 out of 10 and to be honest I far preferred this one to Dalek.

A good point, beee, but you have to remember, the Doctor is not human, he doesn't think like us. He takes things at face value and is always looking for the good in people.

He doesn't really understand us, the human race.

And although he shouldn't have taken Rose back twice to the same point in time (he knew it was wrong by the expression on his face) he does have a certain 'fondness' for her, so would want to please her. And there are no more Timelords around, so no-one to remind him of the 'rules.'

This new Who universe is different to the old one - and all to the good.

I like the concept of the butterfly effect.

For example by typing this message I could make somebody stay at their computer for 15 seconds longer than they might have otherwise, who could then go out to the shop and walk over a zebra crossing delaying a car that might otherwise not have been delayed so they don't make it to the next set of traffic lights before they go red. Whilst waiting at the traffic lights they have a CD on and somebody walking past gets that tune in their head and goes home and downloads it. In a couple of months time the song comes on their random playlist and they turn it up loud, which interrupts the couple next door who are just about to try to make a baby . This delays them by a couple of seconds as they hear the noise, which causes a different sperm to fertilise the egg and a completely different person is born than would have otherwise. cool


Like most other things, with time travel it would be impossible to observe without affecting in some small way.

The Doctor was always a rogue in the eyes of the Gallifrey Council of elders, wasn't that why he was out there roaming space and time in the first place?

I thought it was great, brilliant the best episode so far. HUGE plot holes but that doesn't really matter there can always be some excuse made for them...this is sci-fi after all!!!

A really nice variation on the old time travel paradox stuff.
Odd that llast week's was such crap and tonight's was so good.

They forgot it happened - that was an effect of the wound in time being fixed. So it's plausible that some photos survived, whilst the actual guests forgot about the big monsters and weird disappearances.


This is the first DW I've really had the opportunity to watch, so perhaps I'm missing certain things about how the Doctor should be behaving. His character infuriates me sometimes, because he really doesn't make much sense.

Is it normal for the Doctor to still find his life confusing so long after a regeneration? It's almost as if his brain hasn't regenerated properly or something...

That was lovely - kept waiting for the end, only to uncover more possibilities, just as it should be!

It's odd that I thought this weeks was crap and last weeks was so good.

I guess I have the problem where the paradox affects the main protaganists so much. The other paradoxes in the series go on in the background and can be forgotten where as tonights program contained paradoxes that direrctly affected why the charaters were there at all.

But they can't have forgotten as Jackie tells little Rose about the girl standing over him, which means she saw it, so Dad did die outside the Church instead of on the Business park type road which means the Vicar and Grooms father would only just have reappeared leaving no time for the ceremony to have taken place?

It seems, and I am not sure that this makes much sense, that things were mostly shifted back to "plan A" instantly. This includes the retrospective removal of the monsters. Presumably the rest of the guests turn up a bit late (or just reappear like The Doctor) and the wedding goes ahead. Other things are not quite as they should be in "plan A" but these presumably fall into the category of minor things which reconverge later. It does seem rather inconsistent although not to the extent of spoiling the story.

Oh yes - he's in a big state of confusion for weeks after he's regenerated (Castrovalva being a point in fact). The regenerations don't always go smoothly - and seem to get more difficult as the Doctor gets older.

Plus, he's suffering from 'survivor's syndrome' which wouldn't make it any easier.

One possibility - if you assume that it's taken maybe an hour of time between the bride arriving and it all kicking off with the creatures - to when finally Rose's dad gets run over, that when everyone else suddenly reappears and return to the original timeline, the wedding ceremony may have already happened.

I think the idea was that they started to remember things just after Rose's dad got hit by the car. So history did change slightly by having him die in a different place, but he still died (which is what caused the initial problems). I assume the wedding went ahead as planned, but I think that's left up to our interpretation.


Ah right. He just seems so unstable and unpredictable. Not a good thing when he's supposed to be saving lives

Many people are now questioning the Doctor's 'damage limitation' abilities - and have been for some time. This series brings it out and it's all to the good, IMO.

He's not perfect - which makes him all the more believable.

Aha! Now that is a "plausible explanation" Ta!.. Makes you want to look what's written on the register though!.. I bet the Vicar was confused!

You remember how a couple of weeks ago people complained about how the BBC Three repeat was ruined because the BBC Logo was put in the corner. And you remember how the BBC apologised saying it was an error because they had a policy of not putting the logo on drama and performance.

Well, it would seem that the BBC has just travelled back in time because tonight's BBC Three repeat is currently being shown comeplete with overlaid logo.

If anyone else fancies reminding them I think it is via www.bbc.co.uk/complaints

I should stress here that I've been in Slaithwaite at an 18th birthday party, so I won't see this episode until Sunday night, but...

... if I had a chance to go back to 10:30pm on Monday 15 March 1982, and call for an ambulance *before* my dad had his fatal heart attack, I'd do it. Sod the timeline.

Gary
dob: 20 March 1967. You do the maths.

I don't think it was the BBC 3 logo that they apologised about - it was the advertising of other programs?

quote:

" We would like to apologise to those viewers who found the on-screen graphic about our new programme House of Tiny Tearaways distracting during Dr Who on Sunday 1st May on BBC Three.

Our policy is not to put graphics on screen during films or drama, but unfortunately on this occasion human error led to the graphic being shown and we are very sorry that it adversely affected enjoyment of Dr Who."

Um... no.
I cried when Bambi's mum died, does that count?

Gary

The logo looks like a graphic to me

Personally I think the Dalek episode was by far the worst and a poor story considering that the Daleks are the Doctors most feared Nemisis, what will we get next Cybermen intouch with their Femine side ?

They broke the Golden Dalek Laws on this one.

1.They can't do stairs, the flying dalek looked silly
2.They're not nice neither.

"Fathers Day" was the best and cleverest of them all so far.