No, I said my level but the effect is startlingly similar - carry on, this is all good stuff and what's more disturbing, it's making sense as well...I'm rapt (although I'll give the site on lagrange points a miss if you don't mind)

Well, I read it and found that 3 were unstable, not two - but what the heck?

As someone once said "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars."

I just thought it appropriate for this thread!

Hence the term Science "fiction" then?

That would depend on how low an orbit they were in. The lower the orbit, the more would be required.

I think the GPS system has dozens.

So, to go with the most popular theory then, that the Doctor and Rose are in a reality tv programme, and the bad wolf references are idents for the viewers, what can we deduce?

Gallifrey may not have been destroyed, except that as far as the Doctor is concerned, it has. May not be the case if he's part of reality tv though.

Who is in control of the situation - the Face of Boe as was very much mooted last week?

(BTW - I read that the face of Boe is immortal, although strangely enough the rest of his race isn't. Did he buy his immortality, in much the same way Cassandra artificially extended her own life?)

If it is him (Cassandra said in episode two, "talk to the Face") then is he acting alone or as part of a consortium, as Black Guardian speculated last week?

Since the greed/self interest/money theme is fairly strong throughout the series, is money the whole point of the show, or is there a greater prize/goal?

This is all staring to sound very Orwellian now - "He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future."

Hmm - I wondered what that meant!

Which in itself is coincidental as I was searching an Oscar Wilde quotation site just a few minutes ago...but anyway, I digress...

and if I want to throw a question that might be a spoiler out, do I just click the spolier icon before and after it when I post? Don't want to start a virtual riot this early in the proceedings....

You can highlight the stuff you want to hide and click the spoiler icon, which is the easiest way of doing it.

I don't think speculation can really count as spoilers, can it, since they're only opinions? If you know something as fact from a future episode, then that would definitely have to be enclosed in spoiler tags. I suppose if you're not sure, use the tags anyway since no harm can be done.

There's a law about that (or at least, a theory!)

Cheers Den...I was going to refer to which apparently is still unknown to many in a summation of the theory to date but yours was far more succinct so I shall just practise for now...one thing, well more than one but hey, if the Jaffafest (love that tag, make it stick!) is controlling Bad Wolf TV and the Doctor and Rose are participants in a Reality show then a) the Jaffafest must have untold power and b) we're in a reworking of Carnival of Monsters on a grand 21st Century scale are we not? This, for me, cements it as the best theory put forward yet as it echoes the past but you don't need to be a fan to see it.

Strangely enough that's exactly what I speculated weeks ago when I mentioned the possible use of timescoops in bringing forward celebrities from the dim dark past for the reality tv show at the end of the series.

The only blott on that particular landscape is that RTD said we would find out who installed the Jaffafeast at the end of the series, which means he has a backer. Face of Boe?

Someone also posted last week that BoE stood for Bank of England (aka_lucifer?) which was inspired. I also said that the face of the Bank of England was simply the Governor of the day, so some more food for thought there.

Nice to see a reference in the thread to End Of Eternity - Brilliant story where the timeline was continually altered just so that.... But that would spoil it if you haven't read it!

And political arguments! There is one big difference between capitalism and communism: Under capitalism man exploits man - Under communism it's the other way round! (Read that in a 'Mad' magazine YEARS ago but still makes me smile)

And again priceless!

As for the BoE...why would a Welshman writing about something in the future want the evil force to be the Bank of England? The world bank, yes, but the Bank of England? England is part of a small rock that sits off of Europe now, God alone knows what it'll be (if anything) in the future. I don't buy the Bank of England bit but yes, Face of BoE is likely candidate for backing the reality tv show in the current theory but if so then who is the mask behind the face? Or maybe...Who is the mask behind the face? Love speculation

And thanks for TimeScoop Den, I was close to looking it up as my mind went blank

It's not so much that the evil force IS the Bank of England, (and in any case Face of Boe's initials may stand for something completely different - if anything at all) but that the Chaucerian references to 'money is the root of all evil' may have led to the naming of that particular alien.

Well in that case I hop he never meets Jackie, or they'll never leave the zero room!

Cj

Erm... no!

Actually a stitch in time saves 8.71937. but it was rounded up to nine to make it easier to say

Cj

Chaucerian analogies I can cope with and even the idea that expolitation for profit is the driving force behind Bad Wolf since it is an ongoing theme of the series but I think it's a tad anglo-centric to go Bank of England that's all...

...not read much Asimov sadly although enough not to like the movie of I, Robot if that counts...

And talking of I, Robot: Dalek owed more than a nod to I, Borg...you see? It all comes together in the end...

Not for me, everything is whooshing over my head at a rate of knots

I'm playing catch up again, so apologies if this has been said already, but how abouth the Bank of Earth?

In both those examples it would make more sense if it/he/she were called The Face Of The Boe. But it/he/she isn't.

This was something I was thinking too

Cj

Now that I can buy into...nice one!

Sorry Beee, "I, Borg" was an episode of Star Trek:TNG where a Borg was separated from the collective and once it was cut off began to question its existence and develop its own personality...they called it Huw...sadly, Rose didn't have time to name the dalek but perhaps Hector might have been appropriate?

scott on the Bad Wolf site has pointed out that Rose's Dad's name was Pete...as in Peter and the Wolf? It goes on...

The film was a travesty. Too much like Star Wars when the robots were delivered via that carrier. My favourite (apart from End of Eternity which was outstanding) was the Foundation series, but I digress...