I have no idea

i have just been looking at
the forum on outpost gallifrey
and no one seems able to confirm
if the bbc3 shows are on for slightly longer

oh....which one do i tape ? lol

At the end of "Father's Day" ?

Umm No! 95% were if the read the whole thread and the other 5% are lying!

i heaved a great sigh of relief at the end of father's day
glad that 24 people (at the last) count agreed with me

Sorry, I stand corrected.
95% Cried, 5% Lied and 3.7% where Vulcans!

As a fellow writer I'd love to make you feel better but the truth is I spotted it in the radio times the week the first episode of "Keeper" aired...yeah, I was that kind of adolescent: nothing much changes but I am trying to be a better adult

I blubbed...then again, I blubbed when I heard RTD was bringing the show back so I guess I'm not typical

And 1% were bad at maths.

*Pedant mode on* The Sun didn't explode in Episode 2, it merely turned into a red giant *Pedant mode off*

Interesting. You set me off on a train of thought.

"My planet's gone. It burned, like the Earth

"The entire Dalek race wiped out in one second...10 million ships all on fire", "You destroyed us?......I had no choice, "And what of the Timelords?", "......Dead. They burned with you."

From that it sounds like the Doctor caused the Gallifrey Sun to go supernova, much like he did with the Skaro Sun, as the only way to prevent a successful Dalek invasion and stop them getting their suckers on superior time travel technology. Although why that would cause them and the Timelords to be wiped out of space and time i've no idea. Something to do with the supernova turning into a black hole afterwards, perhaps?

Look, everyone. The Search function is back!

Well, it is at 6.22, anway. That's going to be very handy in these threads.

For example, want to find the first mention of 'Bad Wolf' in these threads? Here it is, message 48

If it is the first mention, why does Victor say "another mention of the 'Bad Wolf'" ?

I'm sure there must have been an earlier mention.

He's referring to the Moxx's comment of a 'Bad Wolf scenario' in Episode 2, but it wasn't until Gwyneth mentioned it in Episode 3 and it was seen in the Episode 4 trailer, that anybody, on this forum at least, picked up on it. Indeed, it wasn't until then that I noticed it in Episode 1 - Post 368

Oh right. I get it. Sorry.

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"The entire Dalek race wiped out in one second...10 million ships all on fire", "You destroyed us?......I had no choice, "And what of the Timelords?", "......Dead. They burned with you."QUOTE]

something has occurred to me on this one; if the doctor did indeed wipe out the entire dalek race, then somewhere along the line there must have been a huge shift in his morality; think back to genesis of the daleks when TB talked himself out of destroying the daleks before they had evolved, with the logic that such destructive forces can have a positive effect on the universe in terms of uniting different planets and races in their fight against the daleks.. at this point the doctor knew that he had been sent there by the timelords in order to stop davros in his tracks yet he stopped short of doing so. surely it cannot be merely the threat posed to his home planet which changed his outlook so much? the image of internal "creature" in Dalek evoked for me the laboratory in Genesis that the doctor held back from destroying, yet evoked a markedly different response.. any thoughts on this?

According to my mediaguardian press summary email this morning, The Star contains a story saying that:

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I think it's the "I had no choice" line which is important. He certainly showed regret at destroying them, but he said he "had no choice". I think he did have a choice. Let the Daleks conquer Gallifrey and acquire the Timelords superior time travel technology and wipe out every civilisation before it's evolved, or make sure that they'll never conquer Gallifrey by destroying it in space and time.

Hmm, Do we have an Episode 12 plot synopsis anywhere? Because this is an Episode 12 rumour that I posted on the 15th April...



Actually, thinking about it, it must be the next series because all these are obviously in the can.

surely though both the doctor and the high council would have known this situation was likeliy to arise and yet he chose to allow the dalek race to evolve. i just find it interesting that when he genuinely did have a choice in genesis he chose to allow the dalek race to survive despite the millions (billions?) of deaths which would follow?

If this is all related to the next series, then it doesn't seem likely that the final episodes of this series would be using a similar theme. He wouldn't reuse an idea so soon.

A lot of the bad wolf speculation seems to say precisely that.

In "Genesis" The Doctor is told he's been sent back because they (the Time Lords) have foreseen a time when the Daleks become the dominant force in the Universe. I've always got the impression, rightly or wrongly, that he regretted not touching those wires when he had the chance. Maybe this time he wasn't going to make the same "mistake" again but the price he paid for indecision first time was taking his own race out along with the Daleks this - I dunno about you, but that'd keep me awake at nights...

Did the doctor destroy skaro at the end of
*remembrance of the daleks* ?

actually, something else has just occured; throughout this series the doctor has made reference to "my people" "my family" and "my planet", indeed in fathers day he inferred that the reapers were healing the wound because "his people" were not around to sort out the timeline themselves. however the home planet has never been mentioned by name, and the doctor has been very coy about divulging where he actually comes from (i am thinking back to TEOTW where rose asks him directly and he gives a rambling reply).. i am sure i have not heard the word "gallifrey" used even once in this series.. ok i know that it would not mean anything to people who had not seen the classic series, but to not mention the planet by name even once? methinks there might be something in that!

this is entirely from memory, but i think the doctor launced the hand of omega in the general direction of skaro, although i think davros may have escaped.. by this stage skaro was pretty much just a nuclear wasteland anyway, and the daleks had migrated to several other places around the universe..

He did although as ever, Davros/Emperor escaped when the omega device bounced back and fried the Dalek ship...which in itself kind of sums up the level of story-telling in the last few years in my humble old opinion but hey...

...using logic for a moment on the rest of the series, if RTD had control over the arc that binds this series together then the fact he's apparently written all remaining episodes would suggest to me that as of Saturday we're on the home straight to "Bad Wolf" would it not?

Now you mention it, you're right...he was asked outright where are you from and he refused to answer on more than one occasion - why was that? Just saying Gallifrey wouldn't have confused new viewers as it's just like Spock saying he's a Vulcan...statement of fact. Hmmm, can I return to my theory about CE not being The ninth Doctor now then?