hehe it's a theory certainly.. in fact i have had a sneaky feeling over the last couple of weeks that the rose might be the doctor and CE is the assistant and that she was placed on earth with an erased memory sometime before the end of the time war. that is not to suggest that CE is not a timelord (wouldnt it be weird if he turned out to be romana!).. and that maybe he was sent to earth to recover and re-educate the real doctor....

Now I for one would pay good money to be a fly on the wall in the home of many a die-hard fan if this theory turned out to be true...my Aunt for one would burn her Dalek biscuit barrel collection...conversely, I'd love it (although the Romana thing is stretching it... )

ok so romana would be a little bit too much, but rose turning out to be the doctor would fit in with my personal feeling through the series that CE just doesnt feel like the doctor should. in addition, it would tie in nicely with the idea that, should Bad Wolf turn out to be a reality gameshow as has been speculated upon, then it could perhaps be an intergalactic variant on Wife Swap? (not literally!)

Those are the same thoughts I was thinking along when discussing it on the forums the other day with Alrightmate. There have been a number of themes running throughout this series....money, greed, loss, guilt and time so as soon as Alrightmate mentioned his thoughts about the sun that set me thinking about the time travel experiments.

When the Daleks attached Gallifrey in the last great Time War, perhaps it wasn't just in revenge for the Doctor destroying Skaro but to all seize the secrets/knowledge of time travel. They have a primitive form of it as we know so maybe they wanted the skills/ability that the Time Lords had over time which is why the Doctor was forced into making the decision to destroy his home planet along with the Daleks.

So maybe all is not lost for the Time Lords if our theory about the time travel experiments develop further.

But will they still be uniformly camp old dears in high collars and frocks? I mean if the costume has that effect of Eric Roberts (smirk) then surely some kind of sartorial make-over is required if they do get salvaged? More to the point, am I going to get chastised for going off point again?

All thoughts, ideas and suggestions are welcome. I agree with you that every time we have seen the race they've been rather silly so reckon a serious makeover is required..though don't think they should call upon the services of Trinny and whatsherface....

http://www.dbutler22.freeserve.co.uk/dwtda1.jpg

how can you say they look silly?

I seem to remember noting being stated in this new series about the Timelords being wiped out in both space and time.

RTD did say in interview that he picked the term 'timewar' almost out of thin air, since it sounded more intriguing than than simply calling it a 'war.'

That said, I seem to remember a certain member of the Timelords who managed to find a way of living inside a black hole....

I rather liked the look they had in 'The War Games.'

http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story/d2/st--2z88.jpg

they look like they have come from a songs of praise christmas special and are about to launch into Oh Little Town of Bethlehem...

appologies

The first time I saw the Centauri in Babylon 5, I couldn't work out who they reminded me of.
Took me ages to work it out.

http://www.goldkanal.de/pictures/per...n5/char7_2.jpg

Hay, that's that Lawrence Llewelyn-Bowen bloke ain't it? All ready to paint your room purple and orange.

...come to think about it...

How about Lawrence Llewelyn-Bowen as the next Doctor?
He has the retro outfit and the inside of the Tradis could certainly do with a makeover.

It's been stated before that the Timelords, over the years, became less and less involved with the monitoring of time, and more and more involved with the 'ceremony' behind it.

I.E. in The Three Doctors, they appear quite scientific, monitoring timelines, diverting energies etc. By Tom Baker's time (Deadly Assasin and Invasion of Time) the Doctor appears to be in a very slim minority amongst his people, who actually remember what the Sash/Key/Rod etc. actually do, rather than just being symbols of state. The rest seem more concerned with ceremony than anything.

Having already pre-programmed the Hand of Omega to travel back to the dawn of the Dalek's creation on Skaro, the Doctor tricked Davros into using the hand and destroying his own planet at the time of the Dalek's birth.

Having a round-trip ticket, the Hand then returned and destroyed the Emperor's ship on it's return journey.

As you said, Davros escaped - presumably to go on and create more Daleks.

A very good point! Gallifrey has never been mentioned - is RTD simply messing with us, or is there another reason?

As I pointed out about earlier, this week's most ambiguous statement was the Doctor telling Rose his "whole family [was] destroyed" during the timewar.

BTW Andy - you have PM.

there is always the possibility that "Bad Wolf" is a rogue timelord running a reality-type show.. its not too likely given rtd's insistence on shying away from references to the original series, but this could be someone such as The Valyard from the trial of a timelord, given that he was ultimately exposed to be a version of the doctor himself between his twelfth and final incarnation...

Most people seem to think it will be another Timelord due to the Doctor's insistence that he is the last one - the question is, which one?

I'm inclined to agree with Alrightmate that it will be a new character, invented specifically for this new series.

We certainly don't want another Eric Roberts.

Since we have yet to introduce a new audience to the concept of regeneration, I think it's unlikely that it will be the Valyard - unless RTD wants to bore the audience with loads of tedious explanation, and I can't believe that.

Agreed and the look they adopted in Deadly Assassin. It was only after that they really never evolved and started to act and look rather silly...they never quite pulled it off that this was supposed to be a very powerful race.

edit: agree with you that the Valeyard is too much to explain to a new audience especiallly with the regeneration looming. as you said it will either be a new character..Time Lord that is..or someone we know and is easier to explain.

from that point of view, the number one condender to date has to be the editor though from what i read Captain Jack will run him close by the end of the series..

from a personal perspective, Van Statten would be a great idea, and would explain his passion for collecting (and knowing where to find) alien artefacts...

Actually, I wouldn't mind either of those two returning. Simon Pegg was great fun as the Editor and it would make sense if he did return, given the fact that a popular theory is the reality tv angle. I always thought his stint was cut short just when he was getting into his stride.

I get the feeling that Van Statten's company may be providing the technology side of the reality tv concept (if it does indeed turn out to be that, and it's still my favourite idea) and the Face of Boe/consortium providing the finance, perhaps?

I just think there's more to what the Editor said when he commented "money prefers a long term investment" in The Long Game - and also, I think the 'Long Game' refers to the game the people are playing who are responsible for the reality tv show itself.

I don't know if there are any detail watchers looking in (surely not - Ed.) but given renegade timelords have always been The... then isn't The Editor the only character so far to be called simply that? That would fit with tradition and develop it, if so...

Yep - I said weeks ago it sounded like another name for The Master.

Simon Pegg would make a great and different Master but I'd kind of like him to be a totally new adversary without baggage but then I'm kind of getting into the whole reinvention thing so maybe that's why...

Agreed - and for the same reasons. A new foe for a new series.

I have another idea about the Editor too, which might tie up all of these points, but it will have to wait a while as I have things I need to do.
Last edited by DenWatts : 19-05-2005 at 13:51