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Results:What did you think to the show?
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Alrightmate
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“My Imaginary German friend cited "The Running Man" some days ago...not so unlikely and it was a movie/story way ahead of its time ”

Yes, there's also "Rollerball", and that old black and white TV drama from the early seventies/Late sixties too.

I made the same reference in an old Big Brother thread. You might like to have a look....

Link:
Big Brother/The Running Man - Damon Killian quotes

Quote:
“Damon Killian quotes:


"This is television, that's all it is. It has nothing to do with people, it's to do with ratings! For fifty years, we've told them what to eat, what to drink, what to wear... for Christ's sake, Ben, don't you understand? Americans love television. They wean their kids on it. Listen. They love game shows, they love wrestling, they love sports and violence. So what do we do? We give 'em *what they want*! We're number one, Ben, that's all that counts, believe me. I've been in the business for thirty years"


"Hello, this is Killian. Give me the Justice Department, Entertainment Division"

"It's all part of life's rich pattern, Brenda, and you better f**king get used to it."

"Yes, I know a stalker died! It had to happen sooner or later!"

"Who loves you and who do you love!"

"I want a kiss, now, a big kiss, but remember... no tongues"

"It's time to start running!"”


Quote:
“....Yes, and it didn't just focus on the similar style of presentation to what we have with BB,..a lot of the film focused on the idea of distorting a sequence of events as they happened to present a half-reality, and more or less brainwashing the viewers to accept everything they witnessed as true.
There were one or two scenes in the film in the editing suite showing them deliberately messing around with the truth.
Even to the point of making out that the ex-contestants have had their dreams fulfilled, and the show gave them life-changing experiences.
The reality was that they did indeed experience life changing experiences, their lives changed from being alive, to being dead.
The nearest equivalent to that today is that reality TV invites contestants in by the lure of the lifestyle of the neo-celebrity that a lot of people aspire to, and is their dream.

There was a scene in the Running Man, where they actually went from being very creative with the edits, to creating brand new ones that didn't even occur in reality.

...Do you remember that scene in the Running Man where they grabbed a 3D scan of Arnie's head, and mapped it onto the video of a man being brutally slain by one of the show's "stalkers"?
Well technology has now reached a point where they can do that for real now.
There was a news item on a BBC3 show about history, and it showed the process of recreating scenes with real actors, and using scans from photos of people such as Hitler and Churchill, to generate what were generally believed to be real incidents that might have happened (or did happen).
The heads of Churchill and Hitler were composited over the top of the processed video.
And the results looked entirely realistic.
This was a big leap forward in the technology of creating realistic synthespians.

The results were so stunningly realistic that the BBC3 history show itself opened up a few debates asking how can we trust what we see on television in the future. Although the history show tried to use the technology with integrity, and made efforts to consult respected historians, people were asking what happens when other TV producers are less scrupulous and decide to abuse the technology.

Of course the technology isn't quite capable of allowing people to use it at the same speed and efficiency with how it was exploited in The Running Man just yet,...but it shows that it can be done.”

JohnFlawbod
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Yes, there's also "Rollerball", and that old black and white TV drama from the early seventies/Late sixties too.

I made the same reference in an old Big Brother thread. You might like to have a look....

Link:
Big Brother/The Running Man - Damon Killian quotes”

Alright? I couldn't have put it better meself, well, I would have had a go but it wouldn't have sounded half as good now...

...how about a combination of "running man" and "the chase" where we throw a time travel element at reality tv and come out with a succession of reality tv shows from now into the future each getting progressively more dangerous, violent, scary until bad wolf tv's ultimate show? That I could seriously buy into.....
afcbfan
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“No, I remember that we were well aware of Bad Wolf well before episode 3.

I distinctly remember everyone being surprised at the addition of the word BIG by Gwyneth.”

Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“If my memory serves me well it was pointed out after ep 2 and then people went back and viewed ep 1 again to see if there were any references to the bad wolf there.”

Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“It was my pleasure as I picked up on it straightaway in ep 2”

You must have kept it to yourselves I've just re-checked and the first mention of Bad Wolf is definitely at 8.00 after Episode 3. Either that or the search function is playing up again

No takers for my idea that the 'Friends from the Silver Devastation' is a reference to the destruction of the Daleks? Of course, thinking about it, it could be the Cybermen, too.
Last edited by afcbfan : 20-05-2005 at 07:36
andyk481
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by afcbfan:
“
No takers for my idea that the 'Friends from the Silver Devastation' is a reference to the destruction of the Daleks? Of course, thinking about it, it could be the Cybermen, too.”

my vote for the silver devastation would go for the cybermen although i know they are not scheduled to appear in this series.. it evokes the silver nemesis story although again rtd is keen not to reference the classic series.
afcbfan
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by beee:
“I'm trying desperately to avoid a crass joke about his key and her Tardis

But I agree - this series has definitely been a love story of sorts. I can only imagine how jealous the Doctor will be when Rose gets swept off her feet by Captain Jack next week ”

It'll never work. He's bi and she's a human
swampwizard
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by Author69:
“The Sun Online has revealed both the actress they had to schedule around and the character that the Doctor thought was dead... with photos.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005230096,00.html

do not click the link if you don't want to know!

Personally, I like the actress, and quite liked the character in the past, so I'm not especially disappointed.”


Hmm this goes with the theory of wolf in sheeps clothing.
*Duncan*
20-05-2005
Spoiler from press release for Boom Town

Spoiler
Building plans for the heart of Cardiff conceal a plot to destroy
the world in Boom Town, written by Russell T Davies.
When the Tardis crew take a holiday,The Doctor encounters an
enemy he thought long since dead. It soon transpires that plans to
build a nuclear power station in Cardiff city are disguising an alien
plot to rip the world apart.And when the Doctor dines with
monsters, he discovers traps within traps…
jimbo_bob
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“So what does everyone think about the Gallifrey situation?

Resolved at the end of this series, or left dangling for next year?”

I personally would be happy for it to be "left danging" for next year. I would hate it for there to be a rushed ending; that happened in Star Trek: Enterprise with the whole future guy/time war thing. There were a few loose ends and that spoilt it for me somewhat.
Black Guardian
20-05-2005
Did anyone see the interview with John Barrowman on BBC Breakfast this morning?

Spoiler
He described himself as an adversary to the Doctor and Rose rather than a companion.


The next few weeks should be very interesting aboard the TARDIS as he
Spoiler
apparently makes a play for both of them as well.
andyk481
20-05-2005
as i mentioned in my initial post on this topic, there has been no mention of gallifrey through the whole series so far.. i think what happens depends on whether the whole bad wolf / reality thing is confined to just one episode or whether it turns out to be the entire season arc.. if the whole season is "bad wolf" then there might be nothing to explain given that gallifrey might still exist since the events of the whole series are, in the words of the editor, "something fictional"
Black Guardian
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by andyk481:
“my vote for the silver devastation would go for the cybermen although i know they are not scheduled to appear in this series.. it evokes the silver nemesis story although again rtd is keen not to reference the classic series.”

It sounds more like the Cybermen than the Daleks. Interestingly Phil Collinson has already said that
Spoiler
one or two old enemies will be returning in Series Two.
Black Guardian
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by andyk481:
“as i mentioned in my initial post on this topic, there has been no mention of gallifrey through the whole series so far.. i think what happens depends on whether the whole bad wolf / reality thing is confined to just one episode or whether it turns out to be the entire season arc.. if the whole season is "bad wolf" then there might be nothing to explain given that gallifrey might still exist since the events of the whole series are, in the words of the editor, "something fictional"”

So do you think the Doctor has been made to think that Gallifrey has been destroyed then even though he reckons he is responsible for it's demise along with the Daleks?
andyk481
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“So do you think the Doctor has been made to think that Gallifrey has been destroyed then even though he reckons he is responsible for it's demise along with the Daleks?”

like i said it depends on whether the reality show is confined to just one ep... personally i think it likely that gallifrey has not been destroyed because i have things going round in my head about the eye of harmony (not the tv movie) and it needing to be in balance for a tardis to work properly... oh dear im regressing horribly...
Black Guardian
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by andyk481:
“like i said it depends on whether the reality show is confined to just one ep... personally i think it likely that gallifrey has not been destroyed because i have things going round in my head about the eye of harmony (not the tv movie) and it needing to be in balance for a tardis to work properly... oh dear im regressing horribly...”

That sounds an interesting theory...would you care to expand further?
MIsguidedFool
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Yes, there's also "Rollerball", and that old black and white TV drama from the early seventies/Late sixties too.”

Do you mean "Year of the Sex Olympics" by Nigel (Quatermass) Kneale? It was made in 1968.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142001/

I have never seen it, and I don't particularly like reality TV, but the concept sounded fantastic. In the story there is severe over-population. Pornography is compulsory to desensitise the population from sex. However, people start getting bored, so the powers that be decide to create a show where people can watch a normal family in their day to day lives. A psychopath is then unleashed on the family, much to the audiences delight.

I have recently seen a film called "My Little Eye" that seemed to use the latter part of the Nigel Kneale concept.

See y'all

MF
andyk481
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“That sounds an interesting theory...would you care to expand further?”

well as i recall the eye of harmony is under the panopticon in the capitol, and was originally used by rassilon to provide effectively the power supply for tardises and other transdimensional vehicles. effectively the eye of harmony is a black hole, and without it the tardis surely would not function....

the other possibility for the whole bad wolf thing, is that the "show" is actually being run from gallifrey via the matrix thingy which tom baker got stuck in (was that The Invasion of Time? im not certain....)
DenWatts
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by andyk481:
“as i mentioned in my initial post on this topic, there has been no mention of gallifrey through the whole series so far.. i think what happens depends on whether the whole bad wolf / reality thing is confined to just one episode or whether it turns out to be the entire season arc.. if the whole season is "bad wolf" then there might be nothing to explain given that gallifrey might still exist since the events of the whole series are, in the words of the editor, "something fictional"”

Glad someone else has picked up on this too!

Afternoon all!
JohnFlawbod
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Glad someone else has picked up on this too!

Afternoon all!”

It is true that without the harnessed power that Rassilon and Omega (and DW?) were instrumental in using there would be no time travel for the time lords which is why I'm not convinced about the ease of nicking the Tardis and copying it - someone else posted earlier about the power needed and I agree although of course we know that there's a huge power source driving holding back the earth's sun's explosion to protect Platform 5, would that be enough and if so is it the Face of Boe, as sponsor, that is running the show...so to speak...?
MIsguidedFool
20-05-2005
Guys,

Sorry if this is off-topic but, do you know how much of a pleasure it is to post on this forum and to feel happy that whatever you post will be read and considered, even though you may be wrong?

I recently posted an opinion on one of the Episode III threads about what I thought something meant. Only to have someone jump down my throat about it! I don't know what it is, but there are people out there that seriously need to learn how to interact with other people.

Thanks again to everyone on hear for making a very interesting read and discussion.

See y'all

MF
DenWatts
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Have you got any ideas as to what could be going on in the background of the story?

E.G...what's Adam doing?
What's Captain Jack doing?
Geocomtex?
The Dalek?
Or anyone else for that matter?”

I'll put together something 'proper' on this later - have a few ideas but need to spend the time to get them down without interruptions.
andyk481
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by MIsguidedFool:
“Guys,

Sorry if this is off-topic but, do you know how much of a pleasure it is to post on this forum and to feel happy that whatever you post will be read and considered, even though you may be wrong?

I recently posted an opinion on one of the Episode III threads about what I thought something meant. Only to have someone jump down my throat about it! I don't know what it is, but there are people out there that seriously need to learn how to interact with other people.

Thanks again to everyone on hear for making a very interesting read and discussion.

See y'all

MF ”

well im still quite new to all this, but the number of theories floating around is amazing and it really gives room for thought; personally my thoughts on what might be happening change almost every time i think about it; there are so many if's and but's that no-one can be right all the time. just to add to your comments, thanks from me to everyone on this board for being open minded, intelligent and thought provoking
andyk481
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“It is true that without the harnessed power that Rassilon and Omega (and DW?) were instrumental in using there would be no time travel for the time lords which is why I'm not convinced about the ease of nicking the Tardis and copying it - someone else posted earlier about the power needed and I agree although of course we know that there's a huge power source driving holding back the earth's sun's explosion to protect Platform 5, would that be enough and if so is it the Face of Boe, as sponsor, that is running the show...so to speak...? ”

just a thought, that if the Face of Boe is the sponsor, is there a chance we might see Financial Family Seven (the appearance of the repeated mean) again? i thought at the time of EOTW that there was more to that name than met the eye?
Szlater
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by andyk481:
“just a thought, that if the Face of Boe is the sponsor, is there a chance we might see Financial Family Seven (the appearance of the repeated mean) again? i thought at the time of EOTW that there was more to that name than met the eye?”

They didn't exist, they were robots used by Cassandra to deliver the spider-droid thingys.

And it was 'MEME' not 'mean'
Black Guardian
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Glad someone else has picked up on this too!

Afternoon all!”

Afternoon! It begs the question..who and why would want the Doctor to think Gallifrey has been destroyed when really it hasn't if your theory is right?
DenWatts
20-05-2005
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“It sounds more like the Cybermen than the Daleks. Interestingly Phil Collinson has already said that
Spoiler
one or two old enemies will be returning in Series Two.
”

I knnow Julie Gardner's mad for Cybermen - I remember her insisting they had a Cybermen helmet in the 'Dalek' episode.
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