ok im now officially confused as to where we should be.. the thread for the next ep has started, and this one is still going strong.....................
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ok im now officially confused as to where we should be.. the thread for the next ep has started, and this one is still going strong.....................
Originally Posted by MIsguidedFool:
“Guys,
Thanks again to everyone on hear for making a very interesting read and discussion.”
“Guys,
Thanks again to everyone on hear for making a very interesting read and discussion.”
Couldn't agree more MIF, I've given up on most other threads as the levels of unpleasantness triggered the worst in me...been dead impressed with the friendliness around here, must be the binary cardio systems...lotta heart
Originally Posted by andyk481:
“ ok im now officially confused as to where we should be.. the thread for the next ep has started, and this one is still going strong..................... ”
“
ok im now officially confused as to where we should be.. the thread for the next ep has started, and this one is still going strong..................... ”
You are not the only one who is confused. Too many threads!
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“You are not the only one who is confused. Too many threads!”
“You are not the only one who is confused. Too many threads!
”
It's like being on a train you know you need to get off of at some point...wait for a suitably soft looking patch of grass and then....JUMP!
We really should restrict starting threads for the next episode till at least the same day the episode airs if not after it like other shows.
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“It's like being on a train you know you need to get off of at some point...wait for a suitably soft looking patch of grass and then....JUMP! ”
“It's like being on a train you know you need to get off of at some point...wait for a suitably soft looking patch of grass and then....JUMP!
”
It was so easy when it first started...thread started on a Sat and went through to the following one when the next began. Now there are threads popping up all over the place.
Any more thoughts on the Gallifrey topic...?
Originally Posted by rua is god:
“We really should restrict starting threads for the next episode till at least the same day the episode airs if not after it like other shows.”
“We really should restrict starting threads for the next episode till at least the same day the episode airs if not after it like other shows.”
sounds like a good idea.. providing we are all on the same page of the space/time continuum
Originally Posted by rua is god:
“We really should restrict starting threads for the next episode till at least the same day the episode airs if not after it like other shows.”
“We really should restrict starting threads for the next episode till at least the same day the episode airs if not after it like other shows.”
I hate to say it but I'm not sure there is a "we" is there? If someone wants to start a thread surely that's up to them - if we start getting into a "them" and "us" then the fun rapidly disappears and it becomes a member's club...thread and let thread...gotta be the best way...in my humble old...
Originally Posted by andyk481:
“like i said it depends on whether the reality show is confined to just one ep... personally i think it likely that gallifrey has not been destroyed because i have things going round in my head about the eye of harmony (not the tv movie) and it needing to be in balance for a tardis to work properly... oh dear im regressing horribly...”
“like i said it depends on whether the reality show is confined to just one ep... personally i think it likely that gallifrey has not been destroyed because i have things going round in my head about the eye of harmony (not the tv movie) and it needing to be in balance for a tardis to work properly... oh dear im regressing horribly...”
You see - the Eye of Harmony is the thing that's always got me too. It's been sitting in the back of my mind pinging away.
Now in the original series, this was a BIG DEAL (c). Without it, as you say andy, no time travel is possible and it also provides the power for the tardis to travel, as well as being the thing that made it possible in the first place.
Now I never thought the film got it right, unless the eye of harmony in the Tardis was simply a link to the actual thing itself, in which case I could understand it perfectly.
The Tardis gets it's power from the eye, therefore the eye, the actual article you might say, must be intact.
Which makes you wonder if Gallifrey itself has really been destroyed or not.
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“
Any more thoughts on the Gallifrey topic...?”
“
Any more thoughts on the Gallifrey topic...?”
well, aside from the eye of harmony thing, we know from DW history that there have been timelords popping up all over space and time; its not just the doctor wandering around, and i cannot believe that all timelords were on gallifrey if it was destroyed.. the constant references to the doctor being the last timelord do seem somewhat overplayed
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“It was so easy when it first started...thread started on a Sat and went through to the following one when the next began. Now there are threads popping up all over the place.
Any more thoughts on the Gallifrey topic...?”
“It was so easy when it first started...thread started on a Sat and went through to the following one when the next began. Now there are threads popping up all over the place.
Any more thoughts on the Gallifrey topic...?”
As I posted above, I agree that without Gallifrey there can be no tardis time travel unless the eye of harmony etc has been salvaged somehow - you can't just copy a tardis without the power to fly it. Gallifrey has not been mentioned by name which is odd because it wouldn't affect new viewers to know the name of the Doctor's planet, if anything it would help root him...so to speak. If RTD's plan is to make things more mysterious by having him back as a lone wanderer like William Hartnell with all the Gallifrey history jettisoned then that's cool, maybe it's like they attempted with "Voyager" - strip away the baggage of continuity and anorak detail and just have adventures based around the concept of a traveller, his companion and their time/space machine...works for me.
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“You see - the Eye of Harmony is the thing that's always got me too. It's been sitting in the back of my mind pinging away.
Now in the original series, this was a BIG DEAL (c). Without it, as you say andy, no time travel is possible and it also provides the power for the tardis to travel, as well as being the thing that made it possible in the first place.
Now I never thought the film got it right, unless the eye of harmony in the Tardis was simply a link to the actual thing itself, in which case I could understand it perfectly.
The Tardis gets it's power from the eye, therefore the eye, the actual article you might say, must be intact.
Which makes you wonder if Gallifrey itself has really been destroyed or not.”
“You see - the Eye of Harmony is the thing that's always got me too. It's been sitting in the back of my mind pinging away.
Now in the original series, this was a BIG DEAL (c). Without it, as you say andy, no time travel is possible and it also provides the power for the tardis to travel, as well as being the thing that made it possible in the first place.
Now I never thought the film got it right, unless the eye of harmony in the Tardis was simply a link to the actual thing itself, in which case I could understand it perfectly.
The Tardis gets it's power from the eye, therefore the eye, the actual article you might say, must be intact.
Which makes you wonder if Gallifrey itself has really been destroyed or not.”
This is very true and I have always had my doubts too but I did lean more towards a theory that Gallifrey had been destroyed and the Doctor desire to make up for his part in it. Though hearing the theories put forward this afternoon does make you think whether it was destroyed in the first place...but surely then someone must have tampered with the Doctors mind to make him think it had been?
*edit: I have always said that too emphasis has been made about the Doctor being the last Time Lord. He assumes that he is but how can he know for sure...not convinced by him tapping himself on the head and saying that he feels it.
Originally Posted by andyk481:
“the other possibility for the whole bad wolf thing, is that the "show" is actually being run from gallifrey via the matrix thingy which tom baker got stuck in (was that The Invasion of Time? im not certain....)”
“the other possibility for the whole bad wolf thing, is that the "show" is actually being run from gallifrey via the matrix thingy which tom baker got stuck in (was that The Invasion of Time? im not certain....)”
Now THAT is a very interesting idea.
(And it was The Deadly Assasin.)
Sorry - still catching up.
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Now THAT is a very interesting idea.”
“Now THAT is a very interesting idea.”
It is a very interesting idea but throws up even more questions as to why the Time Lords would sanction such a event...unless of course it was a renegade Time Lord behind it all.
*edit:
Spoiler
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“It is a very interesting idea but throws up even more questions as to why the Time Lords would sanction such a event...unless of course it was a renegade Time Lord behind it all.”
“It is a very interesting idea but throws up even more questions as to why the Time Lords would sanction such a event...unless of course it was a renegade Time Lord behind it all.”
I'm in practical mode this afternoon - consider the fact there are 5 episodes left, 45 minutes each (40 on Sat) all with their own stories to tell. RTD has said he wanted to keep the essential elements that made the series unique but reinvent it for truth, emotion and story. I can't see at this stage getting into a series finale involving the Matrix on Gallifrey and the like because the exposition needed alone would slow things to a crawl...I'm coming round to the opinion that every thing we need to piece together what will happen has been shown at some stage this series with maybe a few surprises for the fans thrown in...
Originally Posted by andyk481:
“ ok im now officially confused as to where we should be.. the thread for the next ep has started, and this one is still going strong..................... ”
“
ok im now officially confused as to where we should be.. the thread for the next ep has started, and this one is still going strong..................... ”
Stick with this one I say - that other one was started way too early. It's too confusing when the threads are started more than a couple of hours before the episode airs.
I'm thinking of starting one for the next Olympics in a minute
Originally Posted by afcbfan:
“No takers for my idea that the 'Friends from the Silver Devastation' is a reference to the destruction of the Daleks? Of course, thinking about it, it could be the Cybermen, too.”
“No takers for my idea that the 'Friends from the Silver Devastation' is a reference to the destruction of the Daleks? Of course, thinking about it, it could be the Cybermen, too.”
I think it could be a nod to Silver Nemesis too - maybe a hint of what's to come in series 2?
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“Did anyone see the interview with John Barrowman on BBC Breakfast this morning?
”
“Did anyone see the interview with John Barrowman on BBC Breakfast this morning?
Spoiler
He could be the 'rogue housemate' that's thrown in towards the end of the series to confuse the regular contestants.
Oh - and he may have two hearts! (although I don't think, strictly speaking, he's a Timelord.)
Originally Posted by MIsguidedFool:
“Guys,
Sorry if this is off-topic but, do you know how much of a pleasure it is to post on this forum and to feel happy that whatever you post will be read and considered, even though you may be wrong?
I recently posted an opinion on one of the Episode III threads about what I thought something meant. Only to have someone jump down my throat about it! I don't know what it is, but there are people out there that seriously need to learn how to interact with other people.
Thanks again to everyone on hear for making a very interesting read and discussion.
See y'all
MF
”
“Guys,
Sorry if this is off-topic but, do you know how much of a pleasure it is to post on this forum and to feel happy that whatever you post will be read and considered, even though you may be wrong?
I recently posted an opinion on one of the Episode III threads about what I thought something meant. Only to have someone jump down my throat about it! I don't know what it is, but there are people out there that seriously need to learn how to interact with other people.
Thanks again to everyone on hear for making a very interesting read and discussion.
See y'all
MF
”
The more the merrier MF. As I keep saying, we're a very hospitable bunch in here and there's rarely any trouble.
Everybody's welcome to add to the discussion and it all adds to the fun.
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“Afternoon! It begs the question..who and why would want the Doctor to think Gallifrey has been destroyed when really it hasn't if your theory is right?”
“Afternoon! It begs the question..who and why would want the Doctor to think Gallifrey has been destroyed when really it hasn't if your theory is right?”
The Doctor has been spotted many times throughout Earth's history - let's say (whoever it is) in the future decides that they want to show a reality tv programme using real characters from the past. They 'pluck' these characters out of their own universe and put them into the simulated one, a huge 'real world' (or in this case real universe) model. Then set a few parameters, turn on the cameras and off you go.
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“The Doctor has been spotted many times throughout Earth's history - let's say (whoever it is) in the future decides that they want to show a reality tv programme using real characters from the past. They 'pluck' these characters out of their own universe and put them into the simulated one, a huge 'real world' (or in this case real universe) model. Then set a few parameters, turn on the cameras and off you go.”
“The Doctor has been spotted many times throughout Earth's history - let's say (whoever it is) in the future decides that they want to show a reality tv programme using real characters from the past. They 'pluck' these characters out of their own universe and put them into the simulated one, a huge 'real world' (or in this case real universe) model. Then set a few parameters, turn on the cameras and off you go.”
If it is all a set up so to speak I am more inclined to think it is someone that The Doctor knows or has met recently.
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“This is very true and I have always had my doubts too but I did lean more towards a theory that Gallifrey had been destroyed and the Doctor desire to make up for his part in it. Though hearing the theories put forward this afternoon does make you think whether it was destroyed in the first place...but surely then someone must have tampered with the Doctors mind to make him think it had been?
*edit: I have always said that too emphasis has been made about the Doctor being the last Time Lord. He assumes that he is but how can he know for sure...not convinced by him tapping himself on the head and saying that he feels it.”
“This is very true and I have always had my doubts too but I did lean more towards a theory that Gallifrey had been destroyed and the Doctor desire to make up for his part in it. Though hearing the theories put forward this afternoon does make you think whether it was destroyed in the first place...but surely then someone must have tampered with the Doctors mind to make him think it had been?
*edit: I have always said that too emphasis has been made about the Doctor being the last Time Lord. He assumes that he is but how can he know for sure...not convinced by him tapping himself on the head and saying that he feels it.”
Do you remember the terrorist girl, who was sent to floor 500? She'd had a genetic graft to hide her real identity.
Well it's no big leap of the imagination to think that the same thing could be done with memories as well.
(Sorry to go back to Babylon 5, but it happened in that too. Talia's memory (herself a telepath) had been superimposed with a 'false personality' - it was done so well that even she didn't know, and other telepaths could scan her and would find nothing wrong. The only way it was revealed was when a signal was sent and then the 'other personality' came crashing through.)
Incidentally, I wouldn't be surprised to see that something like this had happened to Captain Jack,
Spoiler
There's been plenty of other 'nods' to B5 - the Shadow Proclamation in episode one, the idea of a story arc itself (which was pivotal to the programme) etc.
Originally Posted by DenWatts:
“Incidentally, I wouldn't be surprised to see that something like this had happened to Captain Jack,
Very suspicious, that is.”
“Incidentally, I wouldn't be surprised to see that something like this had happened to Captain Jack,
Spoiler
Unless of course that is part of his cover. John has claimed that he is an
Spoiler
edit:
Spoiler
Just throwing a few more ideas into the mix.
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“I'm in practical mode this afternoon - consider the fact there are 5 episodes left, 45 minutes each (40 on Sat) all with their own stories to tell. RTD has said he wanted to keep the essential elements that made the series unique but reinvent it for truth, emotion and story. I can't see at this stage getting into a series finale involving the Matrix on Gallifrey and the like because the exposition needed alone would slow things to a crawl...I'm coming round to the opinion that every thing we need to piece together what will happen has been shown at some stage this series with maybe a few surprises for the fans thrown in... ”
“I'm in practical mode this afternoon - consider the fact there are 5 episodes left, 45 minutes each (40 on Sat) all with their own stories to tell. RTD has said he wanted to keep the essential elements that made the series unique but reinvent it for truth, emotion and story. I can't see at this stage getting into a series finale involving the Matrix on Gallifrey and the like because the exposition needed alone would slow things to a crawl...I'm coming round to the opinion that every thing we need to piece together what will happen has been shown at some stage this series with maybe a few surprises for the fans thrown in...
”
Ultimately, I have to agree with you on this one John. I think we were closer to the truth yesterday that the Face is behind this, providing the finance, with Geocomtex providing the technology.
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