Also loved how the character of Rose's father was developed.

Akthough he was a Del Boy type, he obviously had a quick and enquiring brain and good imagination.

The plans for solar power showed that.

That had to be the case or he wouldn't have figured out so quickly that Rose was his daughter, then that she wasn't telling him that he was dead in the future and figured out what he had to do.

Without the characterisation being built up by the details about him I wouldn't have been as convinced about his reaction. Great writing.

(Don't know how I missed a Bad Wolf reference again- I was scanning all the posters and walls and everything!)

Agreed One of the reasons that I have been drawn into the world of Sci Fi is that it does deal with the human state of being, I have found that well written Sci Fi deals with in a way that I have never found anywhere else.

Oh yes ! When Tasha died that was so very very sad, I cried my eyes out then as well, lol I think the fact the both her and Dax's deaths were so pointless made it so much more poignient...




Yes, the makers have said that they have wanted to touch more on the human aspect, and I do think in part that is why we are seeing so much of the Rose backstory, and I do think that tonight's episode showed that perfectly.

Perhaps Luke could go back in time to save his father

CYA then!!!! We'll struggle by without you.

The other 8 million or so of us will be watching the good Doctor.

Honestly, how can you say it has been a disappointment? It's rocked back, taken Saturday night by storm, had fantastic critical reviews (with the sole exception of attention seeking tossers like Ian Hyland and Garry Bushell - who thinks it's too gay and too northern FFS!!!!) , seen off all competition - and enjoyed higher audience appreciation figures than ever before in its history - and higher than almost every other BBC show on the go at the moment.

If this is disappointing, the BBC (and ITV!) would dearly love to be disappointed more often

very easy answer. Like or hate an episode, I'm not missing a minute because I'm a fan of Dr Who. I don't have to like every episode to be a fan you know.

Top notch episode! Writing was superb! Billie continues to grow in stature and Chris gave us a very dark side to the Doctor this week. I am still reeling after what was a rollercoaster of an episode. Right balance of emotional exploration between characters and sentimental touches without the viewer wanting to reach for the sick bag. Great direction by Joe Ahearne but need I say more after his Dalek episode.

In defence of those who didn't like this episode, everyone is entitled to their opinion and it doesnt make them any less of a fan or disloyal if they voice that. There were certain episodes I disliked that others on here did but they had the courtesy to listen and respect my views even if they didn't agree with them...that is what makes this forum what it is...good old fashioned debate!

Splendid episode, a good job done well by all considering the fairly obvious ending. BAFTAS all round!

What some kids thought of it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/drwho...14/19245.shtml

At last Rose screams! I love her character and BP's acting is great, but its great to have the companion screaming again, and next week again too!

I posted this elsewhere already, but FWIW..

I watched this with my three year old daughter, and it had already got me thinking vaguely about the relationship between fathers and daughters in the back of my mind - that one day, god willing, I'll have to leave her on her own, stuff like that. Hollie was sitting on my knee, and then when the Doctor 'died' she burst into tears, and I went with her. She was asking me about Rose being on her own, and where the Doctor had gone.

Parting of the ways is going to break her heart

That was cute. As for people complaining about it being "obvious" with the car going round and all, I thought it built the dramatic tension. You knew what would happen so the fun was guessing how it would play out.

At the risk of being called a troll, I have to agree with idontthinkso.

I felt that this was the worst episode so far. I only voted it fair. The problem with the episode is that I didn't buy into any of the story.

I have argued before that by the nature of time travel, Dr Who is full of paradoxes. However, todays episode we have a baby Rose and two adult Roses in the same time period. Rose holds the baby and yet this only causes some flying beast to materialise in the church.

This just streached the plausibility a bit too far for me. The first thing that stuch me as the biggest paradox that should never have been allowed in Dr Who - Rose saved her dad, so Rose would have lived with her dad and would never have met the Dr so neither Rose and the Dr should have been there. They both should have disappeared (allong with the first Rose and DR) when she saved her dad.

Not a good episode

What a brilliant episode!!
Dalek was great because it had a Dalek in it but for excellent scripts you can't beat tonights episode. The best so far!!

I'm a 30 year old geezer and even I had a lump in my throat by the end - I hope it was emotion and not something else.

True. Does that mean The Reapers have taste, or none?

Although when you watch the scene again, The Reaper is very definitely about to attack the bride, but stops and goes for the Vicar instead. Maybe it was because the Vicar was older and therefore a more immediate threat?

'Samuel and Adam shout "Bad Wolf!" when they see the poster on the wall. They have no idea what it means, but are intrigued by this. Each episode is now like "Where's Wally?"'

I was never very good at where's Wally, which probably explains why I always miss the Bad Wolf signs even though I'm looking! :sleep:

Immediate? The bride was standing in front of it. I think its because she was pregnant. Who does the child grow up to be?

Wow. You disliked it just because the time-travelling paradoxes don't make sense

Time Travel stories NEVER make sense. Ever. That's why you've got to take them with a pinch of salt.

But all time travel stories, in any series have this problem.
I'm with Janeway on the whole time travel thing - stay away from it at all costs. Although having a time machine is going to make that difficult...

...A scene I thought was beautiful was when Rose's mum "recognised" her. Now... what's that in my eye...

Is the one in bright Pink an older version of rose?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/episo.../images/07.jpg

it may not seem like it but she is wearing similar clothes, to her and similar manorisms there appeared to be an older version of the doctor in the show as well

Yes but that makes her very very "new". And the doctor said that the older something was the safer. Maybe it was going to have the bride for pud-ding...

I actually said to my flatmate "Is that Billie Piper doing a double part" when I saw her!

Interesting point ! As The Doctor did explain the reason why they couldn't get into the church was due to it's age...

However, wouldn't that mean that the Vicar would have been harder to kill than someone younger ?

Saying that, it made light work of The Doctor and he is 900 or so years old, so who knows lol

I was going to say that Dr Who is clearly set in a universe where there is no TV programme called Dr Who but then I remembered that there is. In Rememberence Of The Daleks they go back to 1963 and the first episode of Dr Who is on.

I knew Paul Cornell would not disappoint.

I'm still catching up with the thread so someone else has probably answered this already...

The clue came when the doctor shouted "I'm the oldest one in here" in order to attract the Reaper to him. I think that means they were taking the people in the church 'oldest-first'. However, on second thoughts, why then did they nick all the kids in the playground? Hmmm - now I'm not so sure!

K

About to vote 'excellent', wishing there was an even higher level to vote for!