Hi, i need help with the following questions for an ancient boundaries of Yorkshire quiz. All answers can be found in or partly in the ancient boundaries of Yorkshire. I've tried working them out but i can't find the correct answers for the questions, if anyone can please help me i would be really thankful for the help, thanks and kind regards,

Cryptic answers:

1. Isle possessing band (10) (3 words)

2. What about embracing it through great makeover? (13) (2 words)

3. Turn leaves within same time as audiences (11)

4. Note about trophy supply (14) (2 words) Answer i thought: Great Smeaton

5. Arrives in West Ham through City outskirts (12) (2 words) Answer i thought: Cold Hiendley

6. Land vehicle next to water pipe with bend in (13) (2 words) Answer i thought: Purston Jaglin

7. Cart? What about power? (13) (3 words)

Good to see you progressing with your guesses

This something like the 8th time you've posted the same thing. Hint: bump don't repost

Hi, ive tried working the correct answers out but im really struggling with them, the closing date for the quiz im trying to solve is 7th November, if anyone can please help me with the answers & clues for the questions i would be really thankful for this, thanks ,

Hi, ive tried working the correct answers out but im really struggling with them, the closing date for the quiz im trying to solve is 7th November, if anyone can please help me with the answers & clues for the questions i would be really thankful for this, thanks ,

They are really hard so I'm not surprised that you're struggling.

Hope there's a big prize.

Hi, i don't know what the prize is, but ive tried really hard working them out and im struggling with finding the correct answers for the questions, if anyone can please help me out i would be really grateful for this, thanks,

don' matter how many threads you start, they're all bollocks

It might help if you actually give some information about what exactly the 'ancient boundaries of Yorkshire' are in this context. Googling the phrase mostly turns up you repeatedly posting the same question on other sites.


That seems unlikely as it only has 12 letters and the answer has 14...

I realise Im being pedantic but dont the moderators always say not to bump but to start a new thread? Why are you saying the opposite?

They also say not to start a new thread when there's an existing one on exactly the same subject.

That's usually for threads that are several years old. Not three minutes.

I seriously do not know how anyone would be able to work these out.

I hadnt seen any others to be honest.

Just as you would solve a cryptic crossword. For example:

5. Arrives in West Ham through City outskirts (12) (2 words)

"Arrives" on a timetable is usually shortened to "arr".

West is often shortened to W.

Put 'arr' in W and Ham gives: Wharram.

Another word for 'through' is 'per'.

The outskirts of a city is 'cy' (outskirts here being the first and last letters)

Put it all together: Wharram Percy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wharram_Percy

It's made a little more difficult by the lack of a signifier in the clue, but should be possible for anyone who wants to put in the effort.

Which I might have been f there's been just the one thread.

Ancient Yorkshire boundaries are whereever a Yorkshireman tells you they are. Ask a Yorkshireman OP, he'll show you and he'll be right. What a stupid f-ing question, you'll only upset Yorkshire people if you don't heed my advice and you wouldn't want to do that.

I once got a job spud picking, just outside York. The gang was a mixture of locals, farm hands, students and a few drifters like me. Some of the farm hands were past 60, but fitter than us young 'uns. One day, during a break, one of the old timers told this story -

They buried old Tom from yon village last week. Big stout chap he was - had to make a coffin special like. They were lowering 'im down, and t' box got stuck. They'd not made t' ole big enough. They pulled him up and tried again, but it kept getting stuck. After a few more goes, a voice was heard from the back ' he allus was an awkward b*gger '.

Yorkshire humour eh ?

Hi, thankyou for your reply and help, ive been trying to work out the correct answers but im struggling, ive thought of some answers for them but im not sure if they're right. If anyone can please help me with the answers & clues and check my answers for me i would be really thankful again for this help, thanks,

1. Isle possessing band (10) Answer i thought: Ile St Louis
2. What about embracing it through great makeover? (13) (2 words) Answer i thought: Great Houghton
3. Turn leaves within same time as audiences (11) Answer i thought: Winterscale.
4. Note about trophy supply (14) (2 words)
6. Land vehicle next to water pipe with bend in (13) (2 words) Answer i thought: Ingleton Fell
7. Cart? What about power? (13) (3 words) Answer i thought: Robin Hood's Bay

Well, at least the number of letters and words matches what's given. Other than that, I' m seeing only the most tenuous connection at best with the clues.

I'm not aware of an Ile St Louis within Yorkshire either. I doubt that even the most devout Yorkshire patriot would ever claim that they made it to Paris.

Is this a way to taunt others, or to bring things to a close? (4-2)

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Hi kelster1


If you want others to help you, what would be really useful would be if you could explain your logic for the answers you think you have. Even if they turn out to be wrong they might trigger some ideas by seeing what you are thinking.


I can't really see how your getting either of these. As a side note, if a word appears in a cryptic clue it almost never appears in the answer. So if 'great' is in the clue it is unlikely to be in the answer.


OK, I can sort of see a bit of logic here.


I can't follow you here. Please explain why you think they may be the right answers.

I'll work through another example for you, which might help you get the feel of how these clues are supposed to work:

3. Turn leaves within same time as audiences (11)

I can see why you might go from 'turn leaves' to winter (although perhaps autumn would make more sense...). However, what the clue is actually doing is describing an individual letter. This is quite common in cryptic clues. They give you a letter or groups of letters that you need to put together to make words.

So, what does 'turn' give us? Well you can make a u-turn in your car, so it might be pointing us to the letter 'u'.

'leaves' then suggests we might have to remove 'u' from one word to give us a different word. Perhaps a word meaning 'within the same time as'.

Once we have that, we then need to add a word meaning 'audiences' to the end to get the final answer.

OK, 'within the same time as' could be 'during', which luckily has a 'u' in. We can get rid of that, leaving 'dring'. Hmmm.

Now the audience in the theatre is often call the house, and since the clue uses the plural form we can try 'houses'.

Put them together: dringhouses.

Never heard of it! But, Google has: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dringhouses and it's in Yorkshire. Yeah!

However, this highlights the problem people will have. The answers have words like 'dringhouses' and 'wharram' in them which I suspect most people (well, me) have never heard of. That's why it would be so helpful know the process you are going through to come up with your answers.

HI, thankyou for the replies and help, i thought of the answers for question 1 because 'Isle possessing band might mean 'Isle = Ile St' and 'Band = Louis' from the pop group 'One Direction' as he's from Yorkshire. For question 6 i thought 'Land vehicle next to water pipe with bend in' might mean 'Ingleton Fell' because 'Ingle = fire which might mean fire engine and 'fell = land', and for question 7 i thought 'Cart? What about power?' might mean 'Robin Hood's Bay' as 'Power = Horsepower' and there's a place in Yorkshire called Robin Hood's Bay famous for the outlaw & horse etc, but i don't know if im correct with the answers. If anyone cab please help me with the answers & clues and check the answers for me i would be really thankful for this help, thanks,

In general, the rule is that once you've solved the clue, it should strike you as being so obvious that you don't know why you didn't see it. Both of your answers lack that factor, I'm afraid.

The only Ile St Louis I know of is in France, and I thought that the idea was that the whole of the answer should lie something that's within "Yorkshire".

If Ile St Louis is the answer the I can see that Isle could lead to Ile and that possession might lead you to put an "s" on the end... but then adding t'Louis on the basis that there's someone from Yorkshire in a band just doesn't make sense.

The problem now is that it's beginning to bug me that I can't get to the answer!

To me, Isle would suggest either an abbreviation for isle ("is", although isn't isle usually considered abbreviated enough already?). Or the name of some particular isle (such as [Isle of] Man, Dogs, May, Wight; or Fair [Isle], Holy [Isle]... But nothing leaps off the page as suggesting a place or feature of Yorkshire.

"Possesses" suggests adding an "s" to the first word, or that the next letters are something like "h-a-s" or "o-w-n-s". Or it could be that the solution to "Isle" should be placed round the solution for "band", or vice versa. It might even mean that the answer should be built up "[Band] of [Isle]"

"Band" might suggest the words "ring" or "group", or even that you should replace it with a different collective noun. It might be the name of a particular band (of the musical kind) but if it is I'd expect to use that band's actual name, not the name of one member.

If band = ring then "Ring of xxxx" might make sense for a neolithic monument, and there are a few of those in Yorkshire. But again, I don't know of anything that matches.

Ten letters and three words suggests that each word is fairly short. Three word place names often have "in", "on", "by" or "of" as the middle word, in which case the pattern should be 3-2-5, 4-2-4 or 5-2-3. The middle word might be "and" or "upon", but neither of those leaves many letters for the other two words. Still not seeing anything.

Yes, it's beginning to nag at me!

I'm wondering if 'Isle' has a connection to the prefix/suffix 'holm' (Holmfirth, Leaholm) which comes from Old Norse and means island/islet or an area of reclaimed land? Lots of Viking influence, especially in the east of Yorkshire so it's feasible.

'Holm' appears in many place names but there may be places known as 'Holm of XXXX' Could there be a similarly named place within the North of England?

NB 'ancient boundaries' might mean that these places are no longer officially in Yorkshire but now find themselves in other counties, boroughs or metropolitan areas ...