Charity deserved a lot of what Ross said - not about her sexual activities but the stuff about her being a poor mother ( which in ED land is the worst ' crime' you can commit, far worse than attempted murder). Clearly she was also attempting to use him to make Cain jealous!

However, she was at a very low ebb, so his reducing her even further was horrible.

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Chrissie seems to be getting excuses made for her. It's nothing to do with the gender issue.

People like who they like. I loved Kim for example who was truly a villain but I don't like Cain who is also a villain.

I think it was Ross on top actually lol

I think it's just the terminology that's diffrent, Robert and Ross often referred to as a bastards and are liked and loathed in equal measure. People dislike chrissie at the mi ute is because she is so limp, she crumbles and bursts into tears whenever anyone retaliates.

Do they? I can't say I see it all that often, if at all. I see it with the female characters all the time though.

Well just because you don't see it doesn't mean it hasn't been said.

I dislike charity as a character regardless of her gender. I also strongly dislike Cain.

I love Emma and Ross. It's irrelevant whether they're male or female.

A decent character is a decent character.

Do you think Emma Atkins and Jeff Hordley can act? Are we still friends on here? Do you look at your PMs on here

Yes I think both Emma and Jeff are wonderful actors. You don't have to like a character to recognise someone playing that character is a good actor mg.

As anyone will tell you I'm terrible at reading my pms

If you were producer promise me you wouldn't axe Charity and Cain and write Charity better? Do you think Charity and Cain have good banter? Do you prefer Charity and Cain as friends who can also support Debbie? Do you think Emma and Jeff have good onscreen chemistry, Did you like Charity and Cain together in 2003, 2004, 2009 and 2010?

Let's hope she isn't pregnant again and uses it as an excuse to claim it's Cain's child. We all know Ross is extremely potent

There's a lot of girl on girl crime going on. Inside and outside of the soap.

If there's any reason at all it's because they've crossed a favourite male character or slept with him.

In a ot of fiction the favourite characters are usually male regardless whether they are or are not the main protagonist. Women are oftentimes used as catalysts for events beyond their control.

I tend to disagree as regards soap Sam.

Emmerdale's most beloved characters are female. Zoe, Kim, Lady Tara and the likes are legendary characters.

I think it's ridiculous thst the gender card is being played here. This isn't reality. Obviously there is terrible double standards about male and female behaviour on real life but i don't think it's the case as regards charity and the likes..

Quelle surprise.


Robert has done bad stuff to a lot of people, I agree. What's misogynist (to me) is that the way the whole story has been twisted by the show, they're portraying Bobby and his dull paramour as in some way having done Chrissie a favour by screwing behind her back then throwing it in her face. Instead of portraying them as the hateful self-indulgent cheating lying cockwombles that they are.

I don't excuse Chrissie's actions at all - they've turned her into a bit of a cartoon bitch for the sake of Andy's exit, she's pretty much irredeemable (though still reasonably fun to watch). But it's been done to play to the Saint Bobby and Wifey storyline - she's been made evil so it excuses what they did. I find it all a bit daft to be honest. But I sure do hate Robert now. What an absolute prick. I hope someone smacks his smug head off his shoulders.

You're really eloquent Cyril and I totally respect what you're saying


As regards the Rakesh situation he was in a terrible mental state and was on the brink because of Chrissie's actions. No he shouldn't have attacked her but I highly doubt there'd be such condemnation about Chrissie attacking rakesh if the situations were reversed.

Even in poldark Demelza hit Ross and was applauded for her violence yet had he done that to her there'd have been outrage.

Oh don't get me wrong, soap characters tend to push the boundaries and female characters are mostly certainly catalysts for their own stories.

Ross is most definitely the type of character to use such language, and have double standards.

But look at the way Robert is so revered for putting Chrissie down and using his "wiles" to lure Rebecca into betraying her family.
Meanwhile, Rebecca is getting slaughtered for using her "wiles" to try and seduce Robert.

I think though, in soaps there's a good balance of nice male and female characters and naughty male and female characters. It's more the audience language that brings up such discussion.

I love Robert and Ross and cannot stand Charity or Chrissie BUT I actually agree with the bib. It does seem rather loaded against the females at the moment. We need a woman that can hold their own against these men but there just doesn't seem one around currently. Charity would have seemed the ideal candidate but she has become a needy wreck and is just not up to the job. Chrissie has always been more of an annoying spoilt princess that caves at the first sign of any resistance so would never be up to the job.

One thing I would say however in favour of the characters of Robert and Ross saying what they did when they did is that in Robert's case Chrissie unnecessarily pushed him. He said 'not now' but she followed him and pushed him to respond so he lashed out like only Robert can and it was funny well I thought so. Also, with Ross, Charity blatantly used him so she too in a sense had it coming.

Maybe it's just about timing with these 2 outbursts being so close to each other. Still it has drawn attention to the lack of a strong woman that isn't just desperate for a man

Good points Sam

I don't think Robert puts Chrissie down out of anything other than the fact that they loathe each other now in fairness.

I also don't think Rebecca is being slaughtered but I think it's predictable that they had the women fighting each other over
Robert. It's very clichéd is what it is.

No. She is to be excused because it was Slugden.

I suppose it's all Robert's fault Andy shagged Bernice too. Nothing is ever Chrissie's fault

I agree. I'm not the least bit interested in this feud between Robert and the Whites because as far as I'm concerned it just makes everyone involved look bad, but we're clearly supposed to understand Chrissie's motivations for framing Andy because she's been hard done by by the men in her life and she was protecting Lucky as if either of those things justifies setting someone up for a life sentence in prison. And enough people dislike Andy to think he deserved everything she did to him.


I doubt it was done to make Robert and Aaron more forgivable or popular since they were already very popular and clearly forgiven despite everything and giving Chrissie a personality change hasn't really affected that. If anything it feels like the writers thought it would make her a more interesting and popular character because people love a good bitch . I mean Charity is popular despite how awful she can be and Kim Tate was very popular so they obviously understand the appeal of the Soap Bitch. Whether they've been successful is another story.

Zoe, Kim and Lady Tara were great ED characters

But; if course; the best-and iconic was Ma Sugden, played by Sheila Mercier ( still with us )

I don't believe for a second that Chrissie's actions are meant to be justified, the majority of the audience hate her. A portion of that coming from the fact that she was the Gorgon standing in the way of Robert & Aaron's being together.

To turn her into a bitch only suits to grow the hatred of that character not diminish it by making her popular.

You have a point about her being turned into villain of the year Sam

I really liked Chrissie when she arrived in the village especially when she felt so terrible in the aftermath of the crash and took responsibility for her actions

Since then she's been turned into a panto villain.