Ronnie doesn't know. The majority of us don't care. It balances itself out.

But Ronnie didn't kill Fatboy. She was indirectly involved but if this went to court she wouldn't have gone to jail. And the reveal would ave had far more relevance with Claudette still around who was the person most responsible, besides the hitmen who actually did it. I'm struggling as to how people don't mention Claudette in this.

This is Sean O'Connor though. The twist will be that a couple of extra wheelie bins get delivered to the square by the council, to help alleviate the rubbish problems.

Justice for Fatboy

Ronnie most certainly would likely serve jail time for conspiracy to commit murder.

It was irrelevant she didn't know Fatboy ended up in the boot. She was arranging for vincent to be killed.

What would Ronnie's defence be? "I didn't mean for him to get crushed. I thought it was the other guy in the boot!"

She is totally responsible. She arranged for someone to be locked in the boot of a car and they died there of fright. The fact that her goons got the wrong person is immaterial. Say you arrange for someone to be shot and injured but they shoot the wrong person and die....same thing. She wanted someone to get a fright and they did

Oh, she definitely would. It is called transferred malice.

It's the least he deserves

Maybe. If it is a red herring though and they don't get killed off, what reason will they both have for leaving? It must be something big if they're prepared to leave their children and Jack behind.

Well i think they ARE being killed off and i am pretty certain its going to be this ridiculous swimming pool ending.

However even if they werent, does the show ever really announce the exits of young children? They could go with Ronnie and Roxy, though Jack should go with them, why is he even there?!

I think the BBC leaked the wedding pictures - they even seem to be posing in some. A bit convenient that these come out just after a lot of criticism about there being no news of the new producer's plans and that the show seemed to have nothing happening?

The drowning story seems in keeping with EastEnders. It is probably based on some truth?

Some excellent comments re Ronnie whether she would go to jail over Fatboy.

The only things I can add to them are that just this week someone was sentenced to 10 years in prison (I think) for killing people in a car accident. He didn't intend to kill anyone but was playing with his phone. So to suggest Ronnie wouldn't go to jail because the wrong person got killed is ridiculous. She intended for someone to be kidnapped and put in a car boot at the very least. At best Ronnie is guilty of manslaughter (which you can get many years for), but more likely she would be done for conspiracy to murder.

Morally Ronnie and Claudette might be equally guilty for Fatboy's death. Realistically there is no legal case against Claudette.

Re Claudette - the only evidence they would have against her is that she sent Fatboy to get ice. They would not be able to prove that she knew that she was sending Fatboy to his death. Not even the audience can be certain! We know Claudette is a cold blooded killer. But in this instance all we know is that Claudette had reason to suspect that Ronnie had something nasty planned for Vincent. She would say she didn't know what and she would say she didn't know he was going to be killed. How could the Police prove otherwise with there never being any physical evidence against her?

Ronnie, on the other hand, hired the hitmen and planned what should happen to Vincent in infinite detail. I thought she wanted him dead - although others say she was going to release him eventually. Whether she did or didn't intend to kill anyone is irrelevent. Someone died as a direct result of her actions and it is more than likely she would got to jail.

I can just see that working for her in court. "Sorry I didn't mean for him to get killed it was supposed to be the other guy"

I agree. It'll be more of a shock now if they survive. Shame as I really liked the idea of them getting in deep with Jay's dealer and are presumed dead, only for a final scene to show them escaping.

I'm still hoping for a Thelma & Louise style ending (except with them actually faking their deaths and getting a plane to Ibiza)

1. Vincent is never going to testify so how is it ever going to get back to Ronnie for her to be arrested?
2. What evidence to they have for it to get to court?

Whatever route Eastenders went; if they were looking for "justice" the more likely murder she'd go down for is Carl's however even there there is no evidence and the case would be reliant on witnesses she confessed to standing up in court (with most of those being family).

The only closure I see in regards to Fatboy is we are either going to see him turn up alive or she'll find out potentially about him being dead shortly, with the drama being more in her reaction to being involved in his death.

SHe could find out at the wedding and Roxy finds out too and gets drunk so is the catalyst for the deaths to happen.

While I totally agree that the actions of BOTH Claudette and Ronnie resulted in Fatboy's death, the reason why people focus on Ronnie is that it all comes down to actual evidence and circumstantial evidence.

Ronnie hired hitmen to KIDNAP and HARM Vincent. Without any death taking place she has committed at least 2 crimes there. Kidnap in itself is a very serious crime. The fact is a kidnap was executed and someone died as a result whether she wanted them to or not.

All Claudette did was send Fatboy for ice instead of Vincent. Yes, the audience know that she strongly suspected Ronnie had planned something bad for Vincent. But there is no way to know or prove what exactly she suspected. It is circumstantial evidence and hear'say and like it or not she has no case to answer even though the audience know she is evil.

The Police/CPS would struggle to find the evidence against Ronnie. However harder cases have been cracked. For example did Ronnie dispose of the telephone carefully, the one she issued her instructions from? Did she withdraw money from the bank to pay the hitmen? Her DNA could be all over the wreckage of the car - if it ever turned up - as she thumped it several times. If Vincent is faced with saving his, his mother's or Ronnie's skin, what is he going to do? Accessory to murder after the fact is probably better than conspiracy to murder. Then there is the possible testimonies of the hitmen.

I grant you it would be hard to gather the evidence against Ronnie. But the fact is that there has been evidence against Ronnie for numerous crimes connected to Fatboy's death. There has never been any evidence against Claudette.

It looks like the authorities won't get involved though as I think Ronnie and Roxy will be gone too quickly for that to happen. Other characters might find out though.