well, the tunes have all been filched, sorry...'sampled', from the work of far more talented people decades ago, of course.

no they havnt, you cant sample anything these days unless you are a millionaire.
all music stands on the shoulders of what has come before.
why are the people that get sampled more talented anyway? they usually sell more copies than the original artist and bring it to a whole new generation.

I suppose I could join in but then again I could just eat some popcorn and look in occasionally at this predictable mess.

Hip Hop is the greatest musical movement to emerge in the last 40 years.

Rap with a silent 'C'.

I like many types of music, but in my opinion, rap is just crap!

you like many types of music but you dont like a genre that incorporates all types of music

I just do not like rap. Never have done. Can't help my tastes.
Over the years I have listened to many types of music but rap is one of the few that I just do not enjoy at all.

I wouldn't disagree except to say that Hip Hop is more than just a musical movement, it's a cultural movement embracing art, music, fashion and progressive politics. Commercialism has perhaps undermined some of the radical aspects of Hip Hop.

Absolutely. I think that's why I (probably subconsciously) typed the word movement rather than genre because it's so much more than a music genre.

Your point re: cultural movement may also play a relevant part in some people's dislike. Their aversion may run deeper than the actual sound captured on the records. I'm not applying it to users here but some people don't like what they see as protest music; anti-authoritarian, challenging to white supremacy, supportive of the Black Panthers or N.O.I. or Five-Percent Nation, the afrocentrism, the underground economy, the sometimes ambiguous nature of explicit ghetto reportage, the focus on social injustice, slavery, conspiracy, Jim Crow, police corruption etc.

Although political Hip Hop has had scant support from the majors for two decades - they seem far keener to invest in explicit party music.

Some albums I have have a bit of rap in the tracks, but I don't set out to buy an album that contains only rap. I can appreciate when someone's excellent at rapping, but it's not something I'm really drawn to though. I like lyrics to be sung even a bit so that it sounds like it's pleasing to my ears. People have different likes though.

yeah indeed, agreed..

imho though i think rap isnt as easily transferable to a white british audience as ska was. as you say, we could dance to ska, and dance holds no real boundaries.

thats your opinion

fair play

i cannot stand 90% of it at least. it means nothing to me, it doesnt resonate with me, its alien to me. maybe its because im a white brit with little interest or liking for black culture.

you make a fair point.... i can understand the liking for the lyrics . but i dont get any melody or not a strong enough one anyway. as a trance lover im not overly fussed by lyrics, a beat and melody is what gets my interest, lyrics well sung are a secondary importance to me.

maybe rap is too 'preachy'? i dunno, obviously people do like it but i like music and to me, rap isnt what i call music...

Are you saying every single rap song ever has stolen the tune from another song?

I'm the same.

As someone who loves Progressive music and Symphonic Metal, both of which are technically quite complex, for me the music itself is simplistic and mind numbingly repetitive; and I find what seems to me as progressively more desperate rhyming in the lyrics jarring.

Ermmm... Because they had the creative talent and musicianship to write and produce the music in the first place?

there are exceptions to the rule though

i do like this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryDOy3AosBw

You are right, there are exceptions and if modern rap was as good as this I would have more time for it...

Gil Scott Heron - The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

Sadly, it isn't.

It's just nursery rhymes, with laughable lyrics full swearing, misogyny and violence. I think it was devised solely to make spotty, white 15 year-olds make themselves look utter prats.

Here's a rapper rocking out https://youtu.be/1JNSzsamKuQ (please watch it to the end). Definitely one for the "rap is just stealing other people's tunes" brigade.

Misconception and predated view IMO, sure some rappers outlet comes from black roots and issues facing them. However, hip hop culture or the brand of it as now stands is pretty much universal. Anyone from any race can enjoy any type of music, it's not so much of black or white thing anymore. You get white people that like hip hop, you get black people that like Rock and or County

left me cold, sorry, but then again in not much of a rock fan either - lol - i just understand that appeal more.


but if it really is universal and pay little homage to its black roots, why dont people like it or understand it like the/we do rock?

but again ill hold my hands up and say my prejudice against hip hop / rap is because i simply dont like it. but i dont like prog rock either but i can 'get' why others do.

I think Hip/Hop/Rap will always have origins from black culture from what I understand it began in Jamaica before making its way to New York. However, I think its more to do with the subject content and 'style' of the music, not all of rap content just because it mostly stems from a 'black' voice and can speak of realities facing black people today, it also can talk about social and global/universal issues (more conscious rap) i'm sure we can all relate to regardless of our race. I guess for some people, and for me personally certain styles of rap will not resonate like gangster rap or UK grime music because the type's subject content seems set on talking about street life. The style of music may not also connect with some people, because maybe like me they may prefer singers as vocalists as opposed to rappers rhyming which can be seen as just talking over a beat. Rock music, whether you like it or not has more of a musical appeal and can be constructed in a more technical and varied way with more emphasis on instruments and vocalists actually singing. So for some they may not understandably relate to some rap tracks depending on subject matter, or just the style of the music.

You'd be surprised at how much music since the late 80s relies on sampling and recontextualising other music, even non hiphop. It's a standard tool in any modern musician's arsenal, and the art of taking a sample and either manipulating it or contextualising it with other sources is as valid as someone playing a traditional instrument.

Think of a guitar player's skill of combining the various notes available to create something expressive. A producer of sample based tracks' skill is of combining various pieces of sound to create something expressive.

Watch these and tell me that sample manipulation is just taking talented musicians work and passing it off as your own:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZboBQ6rDrU

bib... yep, thats me. regardless of the lyrical content, which might even be something im passionate about, i just dont like it, generally. of course there are occassional tracks like the skee-lo track posted earlier that are the rare exception.

why does everything have to be put in compartments…this is for black people and this is for white..music is the international language. you don't have to be chinese to appreciate martial arts films or porcelain. Every country in the world has its own Hip Hop scene its not exclusive to americans..it brings together all colours and nationalities and classes, its is the fruition of Martin L King's Dream '...little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers'