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You could say I'm biased because I love and own a good deal of Hip Hop (of course I also despair about some of it - especially some of the more recent offerings) but it IS. It really is. There is no other genre that rivals it significance, which has evolved within that time frame. which has the broad-reaching cultural influence, which permeates film, literature or art to such a degree.
but for me, and i dare say others, dance would be the greatest musical movement to emerge over the last 40 years. others might argue punk, its influence on music, fashion and society cannot be underestimated. |
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Try humming it.
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I find rap can really enhance certain songs.
I mean can you imagine TLC's "Waterfalls" without Lisa's rap or if her verse was sung instead? It would lose all impact. Quote:
Is it?
The lack of melody is one of the reasons why I've never understood why so many people like it. I've listened to loads of different types of music over the years and rap is the only one where I can't see the appeal in any way shape or form, but as they say, each to their own. I think Rap was probably invented to prove anything will sell. |
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[quote=Danny_Francis;84456047] Quote:
You could say I'm biased because I love and own a good deal of Hip Hop (of course I also despair about some of it - especially some of the more recent offerings) but it IS. It really is. There is no other genre that rivals it significance, which has evolved within that time frame. which has the broad-reaching cultural influence, which permeates film, literature or art to such a degree.[/QUOTE
Despite its widespread cultural impact or influence, the genre will never be held in the same musical appreciation as Jazz, Blues, Soul or Rock. Whenever we generally think of or praise musical legends there are almost never rappers and never will be. Nat King Cole, Sinatra, Beatles whatever. There are hip hop greats but they are in isolation to the other genres, and will never be thought of in the same way Quote:
i take your point, and i cannot counter it because i dont have enough knowledge of it.
but for me, and i dare say others, dance would be the greatest musical movement to emerge over the last 40 years. others might argue punk, its influence on music, fashion and society cannot be underestimated. Dance - personally I see more as an umbrella term for a wide range of sub-genres. A kind of post-Disco, post-Electro melange with a heavy influence on technology in building the tracks being the strong connection. |
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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but rap is probably the only genre where you can follow the action on Google Maps. Here's a Google Maps journey through Warren G and Nate Dogg's Regulate: https://storify.com/GerryMcBride/cle...ear-white-moon
http://www.connswatergreenway.co.uk/vanmorrisontrail Also Van does some 'rap' and call and response interludes which are not straightforward tunes or songs. Try this master work 'Summertime in England' at 2.30' and 4.00' http://youtu.be/AghCvXHg_x4 |
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You missed the bit about last 40 years. I'm speaking in terms of anything we've seen since...
I'd say Punk is older than Hip Hop - on wax anyway. The origins of both are open to a huge amount of debate of course. Punk seems far more dormant to me in the 21st Century. As in: it blew up. It went away / went back underground to a great extent unlike Hip Hop. Certainly Punk has had a huge impact beyond music also but on the music scene itself it's been more m.i.a. Dance - personally I see more as an umbrella term for a wide range of sub-genres. A kind of post-Disco, post-Electro melange with a heavy influence on technology in building the tracks being the strong connection. umbrella term or not, the fact is that dance exploded onto the scene in a post disco world where people took punk attitudes of 'do it yourself' and experimented with the new sounds new technology could afford. from my pov, these two styles are far more important then hip hop... and im not sure a definitive quantification between these styles to see which really is 'the greatest' , can be made. |
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I'd have no bother whatsoever rattling off a couple of hundred Hip Hop classics. I think a lot of people here and more widely:
1. Put music on ignore if it is Hip Hop. Are simply not prepared to give it ANY attention 2. Stereotype Hip Hop despite having heard about 0.01% of it. In other words they are largely ignorant of it. No one has to like something. Nevertheless there is some 'Grade A' garbage written in this thread based on ignorance of the genre and deliberate lack of investigation of it. Personally I think it's tuneless garbage. People can go on all day about 'Poetry' and all that but it doesn't change the fact that my ears tell me it's garbage. Maybe I shouldn't say garbage, maybe I should say it's not my cup of tea but I should be aloud to criticise it without getting a load of verbal |
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Maybe I shouldn't say garbage, maybe I should say it's not my cup of tea but I should be aloud to criticise it without getting a load of verbal
We get it - you don't like it but I think it can be expected that people might respond to the sort of statement which seems to have been posted in all seriousness... Quote:
I think Rap was probably invented to prove anything will sell.
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BBC 6 music play some good old school and new hiphop.
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They're not tunes or songs.
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Yes they are.
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why can it only be considered music if it has singing in it... does rhythm have nothing to do with music?
there are lots of rappers with a melodic tone anyway and sung choruses...and what about beyonce, aguilera, mjb, mariah etc who's biggest hits are sung over Hip Hop. |
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why can it only be considered music if it has singing in it... does rhythm have nothing to do with music?
there are lots of rappers with a melodic tone anyway and sung choruses...and what about beyonce, aguilera, mjb, mariah etc who's biggest hits are sung over Hip Hop. |
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why can it only be considered music if it has singing in it... does rhythm have nothing to do with music?
there are lots of rappers with a melodic tone anyway and sung choruses...and what about beyonce, aguilera, mjb, mariah etc who's biggest hits are sung over Hip Hop. |
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I suppose because when it comes to rap, it's main tool is the mic and the skill of rap does not involve the technical complexity and range a singing voice offers. For example, live music that involves singers as vocalist for whatever genre of music can be sung in a more diverse and far reaching way. So that and like I can said, how many rappers can actually play any instruments? So in musical terms, rap is a form of music and there are as you say rappers with a melodic tone but in terms of production its rather simplistic.
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In what way? They don't sing they talk, and there's nothing musical about it.
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You need to listen to more rap music.
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I find rap can really enhance certain songs.
I mean can you imagine TLC's "Waterfalls" without Lisa's rap or if her verse was sung instead? It would lose all impact. I think it spoils most of it. Do you remember when Estelle released American Boy. There were two versions of it. One with Kanye West rapping and one with no rapping at all. The version with NO rapping is far superior to the rapping version because it's just a normal song with no one shouting in that annoying rap voice way. Think of it this way. Imagine if the lyrics that Estelle sings were given to Kanye West so instead of singing to a melody which Estelle was doing those lyrics were rapped the way he was rapping at the beginning. That record wouldn't be an eighth as appealing. Yet if the very same lyrics were SUNG to the melody Estelle was singing the song suddenly becomes much more appealing. That says a lot about rap to me. |
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![]() Anyhoo, preffer old school rap as it has a rawness and passion that modern rap seems to lack. Maybe rap is limited, but then the same can be said of other genres like country for example. One thing I do dislike is people who only like certain types of music because they think it's "cool". I think rap suffers from that far too much. |
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Really?
I think it spoils most of it. Do you remember when Estelle released American Boy. There were two versions of it. One with Kanye West rapping and one with no rapping at all. The version with NO rapping is far superior to the rapping version because it's just a normal song with no one shouting in that annoying rap voice way. Think of it this way. Imagine if the lyrics that Estelle sings were given to Kanye West so instead of singing to a melody which Estelle was doing those lyrics were rapped the way he was rapping at the beginning. That record wouldn't be an eighth as appealing. Yet if the very same lyrics were SUNG to the melody Estelle was singing the song suddenly becomes much more appealing. That says a lot about rap to me. I always found Lisa Lopes' raps enhanced every song she appeared on. Again, No Scrubs was already a great song but with Lisa's rap it became a killer song. |
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All i will say is Vanilla Ice could rap and dance - Eminem couldn't
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I'm a bad-ass rapper with a bad attitude
Stop crowding me out I need solitude I need some space so gimme latitude I ain't no wuss I got fortitude You don't dig me, you got no gratitude You're a fat-ass ho-bitch you ain't no dude. Do I get a recording contract? |
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Really?
I think it spoils most of it. Do you remember when Estelle released American Boy. There were two versions of it. One with Kanye West rapping and one with no rapping at all. The version with NO rapping is far superior to the rapping version because it's just a normal song with no one shouting in that annoying rap voice way. Think of it this way. Imagine if the lyrics that Estelle sings were given to Kanye West so instead of singing to a melody which Estelle was doing those lyrics were rapped the way he was rapping at the beginning. That record wouldn't be an eighth as appealing. Yet if the very same lyrics were SUNG to the melody Estelle was singing the song suddenly becomes much more appealing. That says a lot about rap to me. |
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I guess it depends on particular songs then, or perhaps even certain rappers.
I always found Lisa Lopes' raps enhanced every song she appeared on. Again, No Scrubs was already a great song but with Lisa's rap it became a killer song. |
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Estelle is a Hip Hop artist.
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