A lot of rap in the 90s sounds amazing imo. Modern day rap and UK Grime is complete garbage around 90% of the time from what i've heard though. Big part of the appeal for me is that it's just catchy and cool, whether it's party or gangsta rap.

In regards to gangsta rap especially - violent, explicit lyrics with a catchy beat and entertaining light heartedness to it gives it a kind of charm.

Not saying this for everyone, but I think a big reason why a lot of people hate rap is because of the violent and explicit lyrics often found in a lot of rap.

stuff like rappers delight and the message are going on 40 years old (blimey where has my life gone?) and I reckon most people under 50 would agree they are classics, better than Thin Lizzy anyway

Stuff like The Message and Rappers Delight I don't mind because it came from an era when rap was fairly new and there was still a type of melody to it. When I listen to it I can totally hear in the songs why they're still remembered today. Better than Thin Lizzy? I don't think so.

Nursery rhymes written by Donald Trump.

People may be put off by some of the violence and explicit lyrics but you could say the same about a lot of `Metal music which also lacks melody in its 'singing' and overuses the 'death growl'. And yet this stuff seldom gets the criticism rap gets.

Napalm Death - https://youtu.be/SIRUzqHTNh8
The Black Dahlia Murder - https://youtu.be/6HbZDHfMyXM
Winds of Plague - https://youtu.be/n2JX9VeL7n4

The rhythms are quite samey and the lyrics indecipherable.

I always found rap to be gluttonous.
I like to sing about my interest in other people rather then all about myself. Rap is too samish too. not my cup of tea. except walk this way and coolio's see you when you get there, So i see there are a few rap tunes i like. but on the whole it is too greedy and gluttonous to me.

I think in most cases it's because it's just a bloody tuneless boring instantly forgettable noise.

Getting back to lyrics you'd never hear lyrics in a normal pop or rock song like you hear in rap 'songs' which says a lot about the rappers and the people who like it. It's like an overgrown child who still thinks it's funny or hard to swear.

It's 'music' for the types of people who's ambition is to become the school bullies.

Metal is just cartoon versions of misogyny, swords & scorcerers and devil worship. I'm sure nobody takes it seriously.

Malev da shinobi - Culture :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcMXHENiew4

Open wide, minds aligned, don't mind taken flight
because with the line, i search with what i write
to understand ,not what is wrong, or what is right
but what is the truth, and ultimately what i like
not to introduce, but only to reproduce,
the feeling i feel up through, up through in the booth
peekaboo, i spook- through the looking glass tube
seeking whom, through show of virtue
and the way i like to flip it
i'm finding hatred - hidden, got no time for bigots
simpletons, who cant tell the difference
from what is - and isn't, already in 'em,
since the beginning, you're not so different
you're only smitten, with your beliefs
and the way you was raised
these are natural traits, instinct -
wave length encoded in the DNA
and the way we behave
but - to hate? is unnatural
you need to be trained to feel such a way, such a shame,
for those who place blame,on another's choice to make
because they themselves cannot make the change
when they revert to hate, such a waste of a day

HookX2-
of the mind you are the sculptor
so sculpt up your sculpture
show the world what you shoulder
and why you would, hold up -
with the love for and nature of your culture

These results, you cant quantify,
based from biblical lines
and what they outline - gay, lesbian or bi
besides - appearance on the outside
biologically you cant deny, on the inside -
body systems be alike
nothing that you could prove
nothing you could provide
one would only waste time
trying to find, what is different
between your body and their mind
becoming blind and for your, information
your mind state, bring about your own degradation
no matter your interpretation
sexual orientation, well lets face it -
has nothing to do with values
as if what others do in private
without you - devalues everything you value
such shouldn't be allowed to
speak up and be proud to, be whatever you amount to

The cretinous comments continue. Unexpectedly. Despite the stereotyping being disproved.

true..... and i must admit i was guilty at first. you have proven to me that its not all rap that is (to me) unlistenable but gangsta rap/grime that style .

i can see the appeal of SOME rap styles to british white kids, but still cannot understand the relevance of others.

Diabolical guff. I mean good god, this is a joke isn't it?. If you hadn't written those lyrics, sorry, that fantastic poetry down I wouldn't have understood a word he was going on about.

Commercial, radio one, top 40 dance is lazy, generic crap but, away from the Capital playlist, there is still brilliant dance music being made that is up there with some of the best but, due to the way the industry is these days, will never get played anywhere other than specialist radio and clubs.

Take it from someone who attends many of the soul/house/dance music events in the SE - there are new classics being made and played all the time within the scene and I'm constantly discovering exciting new artists.

Back to the thread though, although modern rap isn't really my thing, it's absolute nonsense to say it's tuneless rubbish that all sounds the same just because it isn't to ones taste.

Personally, rock music sounds to me like the musical equivalent of being smashed over the head with a frying pan and about as enjoyable but for me to say all rock is tuneless rubbish would be ridiculous.

Some UK rap I really like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QcD...fH-K0_CBFKv76U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCTy3n-CtWk

Please don't tell me they sound exactly like every other rap song ever but thats blatantly nonsense

To be fair, David Bowie used to do something similar, by cutting up various lyrics and then sticking them back together so that they made no sense.

They're not cretinous simply because you don't agree with them. By the way nothing at all has been disproved.
Do you expect people who can't see the appeal of rap in the slightest to click on a few links and read a couple of pro rap comments and say 'Oh I've seen the light'.

What I meant was that I physically couldn't understand what he was saying.

I'm not sure what songs Bowie did that with but at least with Bowie you could understand the words he was singing even if they didn't make sense and he was probably singing them to a tune that was half decent.

nick i'm not trying to impress you, stop being ignorant, get off your high horse and go listen to your huey lewis and the news albums.

The first one was OK but only because the music sounded like a 70s disco/funk song. I liked the bass line - the way the bass kept going down and then after 4 notes going up and then going down etc - that's melody. The chorus was good as well but the chorus was being sung. As soon as he started singing I thought this is better. The only bit that let it down was, you guessed it, the rap at the start.

The less said about the second one the better.

You said don't say they sound the same but if you take away the music from both of them so all you're left with is someone rapping they DO sound the same. People can sing with no music and make it sound melodic but when people rap they don't rap using about eight different notes, they rap in one monotonous tone with an ugly voice.

Absolutely agree. Rappers Delight, The Message, White Lines, Planet Rock, Magic's Wand, It's Tricky, Alice, The Show, The Crown etc - all songs that were the soundtrack to my school days and still absolute classics.

Tbh, I only know one Thin Lizzy song so can't really comment on them but the fact I only know one song and don't really like it probably means it's not worth me seeking them out

.. yes, but within the structure of a song that had a TUNE that might even become an earworm if it was catchy enough!

Try humming to rap .. any rap .. and I think those closest to you might start moving out of the way!

It's a pointless discussion as you're so convinced that you are right and everyone else is wrong that it's a waste of all of our time.

I couldn't disagree more with your last paragraph but you just refuse to accept any opinion other than your own so why bother asking other peoples views if you've already decided to reject them?

The song you posted from Huey something is my idea of listening to paint dry. Now, to me, that is dull, monotonous, pointless dirge and as exciting as a dripping tap but I accept that some people like it (though I can't understand why) but that doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong.

I'm being totally honest here, but your refusal to accept anyone else musical taste make you sound about 120 years old - and I speak as someone middle aged myself

you cant hum to this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JfEJq56IwI

you say above you don't like rock music so I wouldn't bother, Thin Lizzy maybe not being smashed over the head with a frying pan, more like Mallet's mallet

I know two of their songs, both sound very similar

Firstly I didn't ask other peoples views. I didn't start this thread. I'm simply saying what I hear when I hear rap music. To me it's just tuneless, it's monotonous and it just sounds horrible. What I don't like and object to is being told that the reason I don't like rap is because I'm listening to the wrong sort of rap or I need to listen to more of it or whatever. I admit I do get a bit wound up about rap music because it is the ONLY style of music where I literally cannot see the attraction in any way, shape or form apart from some early rap records from the late 70s and early 80s. Anyway I don't want to fall out over it so let's just agree to disagree.

Quite right. They are cretinous quite simply because they are cretinous...

"It's like an overgrown child who still thinks it's funny or hard to swear".
It's 'music' for the types of people who's ambition is to become the school bullies.

What has been disproved is the childish stereotyping of a whole genre of music by a few on this thread. It has been shown as inaccurate by the music tracks that people have posted.


I'd expect them to have something better to do than trash talk or make trolling posts about something they've supposedly no interest in. How many times does someone need to state that they don't like something before they start to look like a petulant child...