What is the appeal of rap music?

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scrilla

10-11-2016

ItsNick

10-11-2016

Originally Posted by scrilla:
“Quite right. They are cretinous quite simply because they are cretinous...

"It's like an overgrown child who still thinks it's funny or hard to swear".
It's 'music' for the types of people who's ambition is to become the school bullies.

What has been disproved is the childish stereotyping of a whole genre of music by a few on this thread. It has been shown as inaccurate by the music tracks that people have posted.

I'd expect them to have something better to do than trash talk or make trolling posts about something they've supposedly no interest in. How many times does someone need to state that they don't like something before they start to look like a petulant child...”

In reply to your very last sentence it would be until the people who do like it to stop telling those who don't WHY they don't ie. you've only heard mainstream rap. You talk as if rap music that doesn't get in the chart is somehow different. Also until people who do like rap to stop insulting those who don't. ie.cretinous comments or stop being ignorant. How is saying "I wouldn't have understood what he was saying if you hadn't wrote the lyrics" being ignorant. I was just stating a fact. I haven't insulted anyone for liking rap, all I've insulted is the music.

It would also be until those who do like it start to see where those who don't are coming from.

mialicious

10-11-2016

People probably say you are listening to the wrong sort because of the stereotypical reasons you give for disliking it..and then when you are shown something thats different from what you said .you instantly dismiss it and continue with the stereotyping.
the whole image and overall message being conveyed in the mainstream is different..I can sympathise i know If the only rap i was exposed to was most of the crap i hear on the radio i would probably feel exactly the same.. it is overly sexualised, materialistic, thuggish,not very lyrical, no personalities, the majors have taken the lowest common denominator version of it and made that the aspect they want to highlight because that is the easiest sale for them, people who have nothing to do with any culture are sitting around in an office deciding to give kids nudity swearing violence some brainwashing sh!t, because they need to sell headphones and trainers. you hardly hear any authentic rock or reggae or soul or house etc in the chart as well now.

Danny_Francis

10-11-2016

Originally Posted by computermaster:
“A lot of rap in the 90s sounds amazing imo. Modern day rap and UK Grime is complete garbage around 90% of the time from what i've heard though. Big part of the appeal for me is that it's just catchy and cool, whether it's party or gangsta rap.

In regards to gangsta rap especially - violent, explicit lyrics with a catchy beat and entertaining light heartedness to it gives it a kind of charm.

Not saying this for everyone, but I think a big reason why a lot of people hate rap is because of the violent and explicit lyrics often found in a lot of rap.”

That's where I'm at with it, I can appreciate 'good rap' but it's not my favourite genre of music. 90s rap, and rap between the 2000-2006 IMO was mostly good. Current mainstream rap and UK grime IMO is mostly trashy and disposable.

Danny_Francis

10-11-2016

[QUOTE=scrilla;84520442]Guru - No Time To Play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?

Blu & Exile - Dancing In The Rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml5RhkyKXyc

Ahmad - Back In The Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyVu_v82vjM

Dream Warriors - Wash Your Face In My Sink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLOf-gLNMAI

Slick Rick - Children's Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjNTu8jdukA

Del tha Funky Homosapien - Mistadobalina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bku7gXlkoo

Shad - Brother (Watching)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jhn3X8gGEA

The Pharcyde - Drop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co3qMdkucM0

A Tribe Called Quest - I Left My Wallet In El Segundo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WILyWmT2A-Q

De La Soul Feat. Chaka Khan - All Good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA_NP0k-G3o

Redhead Kingpin & The FBI - Do the Right Thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUv3iZ4PafM

Monie Love - It's A Shame (My Sister)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSU73awbZUw

Mellow Man Ace - Mentirosa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hI2-yLKZmE[/quote]

Got that Guru track in my collection, one of my favourite rap songs in modern times though is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY0Ag0fMxz8

scrilla

10-11-2016

Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“In reply to your very last sentence it would be until the people who do like it to stop telling those who don't WHY they don't ie. you've only heard mainstream rap.”

What I'm addressing is the stupid comments and stereotyping - denigrating an entire genre with a few lazy stereotypes. It's clear some people don't like it. I think anyone can accept that.

Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“You talk as if rap music that doesn't get in the chart is somehow different.”

I haven't discussed the charts I don't think. Most Hip Hop doesn't chart. Most music period doesn't chart. If people would take their head out of the charts they might find more music they enjoy - any genre.

Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“Also until people who do like rap to stop insulting those who don't. ie.cretinous comments or stop being ignorant.”

I'm passionate about music including Hip Hop. If people make cretinous comments I'll describe them as such. (I quoted the type of thing I'm referring too.) If people say they dislike rapping / hate rapping / rapping spoils some track they otherwise like that's entirely different to some of the prejudiced tripe that has appeared on here.

You have no problem with ridiculous comments on this thread because they are aimed at something you don't like yet you have a problem with me calling out this stupidity for what it is.

Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“How is saying "I wouldn't have understood what he was saying if you hadn't wrote the lyrics" being ignorant. I was just stating a fact.”

I didn't quote that or discuss it. Nothing to do with me.

Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“I haven't insulted anyone for liking rap, all I've insulted is the music.”

Now that you mention it, "which says a lot about the rappers and the people who like it" would tend to suggest otherwise. That is aimed at the listeners.

Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“It would also be until those who do like it start to see where those who don't are coming from.”

In another detractor's case from a position of trolling - they have plenty of previous when it comes to 'rap' - and from yours, a position of not being able to tell one track from another even when the vocal delivery and instrumentation are completely different.

Some people don't like Hip Hop. That's okay. No problem.

Edward Skylover

11-11-2016

Originally Posted by scrilla:
“Rapping is diverse. Reducing rapping to 'aggressive' is like reducing rock to 'loud' or 'noisy'.

(Not to take away from the point you're making - just addressing the generalising).”

I'm aware that it's diverse. The stuff I referred to would be my favourite style of rap.

I would argue this genre's lack of appeal is a culture thing a lot of the time.

mgvsmith

11-11-2016

Originally Posted by scrilla:
“Guru - No Time To Play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?

Blu & Exile - Dancing In The Rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml5RhkyKXyc

Ahmad - Back In The Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyVu_v82vjM

Dream Warriors - Wash Your Face In My Sink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLOf-gLNMAI

Slick Rick - Children's Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjNTu8jdukA

Del tha Funky Homosapien - Mistadobalina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bku7gXlkoo

Shad - Brother (Watching)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jhn3X8gGEA

The Pharcyde - Drop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co3qMdkucM0

A Tribe Called Quest - I Left My Wallet In El Segundo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WILyWmT2A-Q

De La Soul Feat. Chaka Khan - All Good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA_NP0k-G3o

Redhead Kingpin & The FBI - Do the Right Thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUv3iZ4PafM

Monie Love - It's A Shame (My Sister)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSU73awbZUw

Mellow Man Ace - Mentirosa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hI2-yLKZmE”

It is a pity some people are not listening.

Rather than harping on about rapping being tuneless etc, one could do do worse than listen to this list. The music is diverse and if you bother to listen to the lyrics, and watch some clever videos, there is some great social and cultural commentary here not all of it particularly serious either. A lot of thus music is documenting a history in a way that perhaps rock music isn't anymore. Although I am open to the idea that grindcore is much more relevant than it first sounds.

One may start with I don't get rap but it's not a sustainable argument for two reasons. Firstly, the overwhelming evidence from Scrilla's lists and others. And, secondly, it isn't always about the personal, it isn't always about what you like, it's about appreciating music in a wider sense. Engaging with different musics and learning to appreciate their strengths and weaknesses is important.

I was more interested in New Wave and Alt Rock in the 80s and 90s than what was happening with Hip Hop but it is never too late to listen again.

barbeler

11-11-2016

At one time it was both irritating and amusing to hear school kids trying to affect a Liverpool accent, but the sound of white teenagers trying to affect Jamaican street patois and chucking in 'blud' every few seconds ramps the comedy up to an entirely different level.

mushymanrob

11-11-2016

Originally Posted by Blondie X:
“
Take it from someone who attends many of the soul/house/dance music events in the SE - there are new classics being made and played all the time within the scene and I'm constantly discovering exciting new artists.

e”

depends what you call 'classics' though... i dont see or hear anything in the dance scene that has been as huge and influential as say cafe del mar, age of love, what time is love, or papau new guinea tracks that opened up whole new sub genres, and changed the face of dance music.

mushymanrob

11-11-2016

Originally Posted by barbeler:
“At one time it was both irritating and amusing to hear school kids trying to affect a Liverpool accent, but the sound of white teenagers trying to affect Jamaican street patois and chucking in 'blud' every few seconds ramps the comedy up to an entirely different level. ”

i just want to slap them....

Glawster2002

11-11-2016

Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“It is a pity some people are not listening.

Rather than harping on about rapping being tuneless etc, one could do do worse than listen to this list. The music is diverse and if you bother to listen to the lyrics, and watch some clever videos, there is some great social and cultural commentary here not all of it particularly serious either. A lot of thus music is documenting a history in a way that perhaps rock music isn't anymore. Although I am open to the idea that grindcore is much more relevant than it first sounds.

One may start with I don't get rap but it's not a sustainable argument for two reasons. Firstly, the overwhelming evidence from Scrilla's lists and others. And, secondly, it isn't always about the personal, it isn't always about what you like, it's about appreciating music in a wider sense. Engaging with different musics and learning to appreciate their strengths and weaknesses is important.

I was more interested in New Wave and Alt Rock in the 80s and 90s than what was happening with Hip Hop but it is never too late to listen again.”

Doesn't it depend on what you like, though?

For example I really love Symphonic Metal and many of the albums I buy are double CDs, CD 1 is the album as intended with vocals, CD 2 is the instrumental version.

For for me the music is an integral part of a song and not just a "backing track", so much so the music alone holds itself up as a standalone release.

So I took a track from the list at random, Redhead Kingpin & The FBI - Do the Right Thing, and to me the underlying music was interminably simplistic, dull, and repetitive.

Now it may be the lyrics are some of the greatest social commentary ever written, but with that backing track it is simply un-listenable to me because the music is so boring and grates.

Release the lyrics separately as a poem and I would listen, but not to that.

ItsNick

11-11-2016

Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“Doesn't it depend on what you like, though?

For example I really love Symphonic Metal and many of the albums I buy are double CDs, CD 1 is the album as intended with vocals, CD 2 is the instrumental version.

For for me the music is an integral part of a song and not just a "backing track", so much so the music alone holds itself up as a standalone release.

So I took a track from the list at random, Redhead Kingpin & The FBI - Do the Right Thing, and to me the underlying music was interminably simplistic, dull, and repetitive.

Now it may be the lyrics are some of the greatest social commentary ever written, but with that backing track it is simply un-listenable to me because the music is so boring and grates.

Release the lyrics separately as a poem and I would listen, but not to that.”

That is exactly the problem I've always had with rap. The music IS so dull and repeatative.

Here's something interesting about early rap people might be interested in from 1981.

Listen to what he says at 34 seconds.
"And so compelling you never miss the fact" then listen to the next three words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onRKOcsf1J0

Having said all that I've actually found a rap song I do like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYzKnsMcQ2w

mgvsmith

12-11-2016

Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“Doesn't it depend on what you like, though?

For example I really love Symphonic Metal and many of the albums I buy are double CDs, CD 1 is the album as intended with vocals, CD 2 is the instrumental version.

For for me the music is an integral part of a song and not just a "backing track", so much so the music alone holds itself up as a standalone release.

So I took a track from the list at random, Redhead Kingpin & The FBI - Do the Right Thing, and to me the underlying music was interminably simplistic, dull, and repetitive.

Now it may be the lyrics are some of the greatest social commentary ever written, but with that backing track it is simply un-listenable to me because the music is so boring and grates.

Release the lyrics separately as a poem and I would listen, but not to that.”

Liking music is about personal taste and appreciating music is recognising that it may have value outside your personal taste. Simple enough idea but it gets lost in here sometimes.

The Redhead Kingpin track is like a lot of rap tracks, it's a relatively sparse arrangement but it has a funky groove about it, the rhythm comes as much from what is left out as what is laid down.

Symphonic Metal has a rather different paradigm from Hip Hop music would you not say? It draws a lot on European Opera, Folklore and melodrama rather than dance rhythms and street poetry. Simply put the music in both cases is trying to achieve different purposes, in Rap the rhythm and the rhyming are more closely related than in Symphonic Metal, that's all.

Zylan_Ginobili

21-11-2016

i like k hip-hop more. korean language seems to fit well with rap...it adds something different....loving new release by Yongguk and Zelo "Pray"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bAuwnu4ohY

barbeler

21-11-2016

Here's a great rap lyric

One day i went to lidl
i went to shoplift at lidl
then i got caught in lidl
so i don't go back to lidl
One day i went to asda
i went to shoplift in asda
then i got caught in asda
so i don't go back to asda
One day i went to lidl
i was really really hungry
i went to shoplift in lidl
because i have no money money
i looked around and no one was lookin lookin
so i put some juice in my pocket
and i walked towards the door
and as i'm walkin walkin walkin
on the shop floor

Inkblot

21-11-2016

With apologies to Michael Franti:

But hey diddle diddle
All the people work in Lidl
They got some steak
And it cookin' on the griddle
The manager's ragin'
And he's docking' the wages
'Cos the shoplifters liftin'
What the staff are all shiftin''
On and on and on
'til the police come...

Original (better) version: https://youtu.be/VulipdcEfLM?t=1m9s

Zylan_Ginobili

08-12-2016

why i listen to korean hip hop...the instrumentals on this is so different...

Zico "Bermuda Triangle" ft. Crush,Dean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHoLaLlL5lA

mgvsmith

08-12-2016

Originally Posted by Zylan_Ginobili:
“why i listen to korean hip hop...the instrumentals on this is so different...

Zico "Bermuda Triangle" ft. Crush,Dean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHoLaLlL5lA”

Yeah, but how real is the angst?

Zylan_Ginobili

12-12-2016

pretty real

Zylan_Ginobili

12-12-2016

I like the message in this one here.....BTS "NO"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmgxPLLLyVo

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