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Old 02-11-2016, 17:16
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Old 02-11-2016, 17:21
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Well as this is still going on ( nice work JB! ) I might as well have my say too for what it's worth.

I've always quite liked Sharon and 'got' her. I'm afraid, and not for the first time since she came back, I just don't totally understand her motives. I can understand that as Phil's wife and legal next of kin she'd be livid that she was cut out of her husband's will. Most wives would expect to feature in their husband's will! I get that she might even think that after the way Phil manipulated Dennis and he ended up dying he might actually owe Dennis too. Not saying I totally agree with the last bit just that I can see where she's coming from.

But after the fuss she made of Ben being left out I just don't understand her attitude once she was put back in the will but not him, and quite frankly that smirk was horrendous. What was it for? To show Richie, who probably doesn't give a monkey's who's in the will one way or another, that she's 'won'? To show Phil? (who at the end of the day can change it back again behind her back).

And yes, even as a bit of a Sharon fan, I enjoyed Kathy giving her some grief lol!

Then again no matter what Phil says I don't understand him leaving it all to a 14 year old girl either
I'm a bit in different to Sharon, but that smirk was something else as you rightly point out the question was why was she smirking? Going off topic a bit how epic is Ben! Despite knowing he has been cut of his will he's still going to give Phil a bit of his liver ... I take my hat off to him.
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Old 02-11-2016, 17:29
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Sheesh, is this thread still going?

Remind me not to make a thread about Sharon.

I'll just stick to talking about the pigeons in Albert Square ..
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Old 02-11-2016, 17:34
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Here some Max worthy bum action for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MySbnhe675I enjoy 👀👌

Sheesh, is this thread still going?

Remind me not to make a thread about Sharon.

I'll just stick to talking about the pigeons on Albert Square ..
JB must be fuming, a thread that isn't about lusting after young girls has gone past 15 pages 😭
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Old 02-11-2016, 17:42
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JB must be fuming, a thread that isn't about lusting after young girls has gone past 15 pages 😭
Maybe he's secretly lusting after Sharon .
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Old 02-11-2016, 17:46
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Shazza is one of my all time faves.. but nowadays she IS a bit of a gold-digger. In the sense that she clearly believes she is owed a living and a security blanket for her and Denny. I accept that there is obviously real history and love between her and Phil. But there doesn't seem to be a great deal of mutual affection and respect in their marriage. To me it seems that she saw the old Phil she knew and loved when he was caring for and grieving for Peggy and that is what drew her to get back with him. But they seem to stick together for convenience and old times sake more than anything.

I also accept that most of this is down to poor writing and characterisation. But tough titties really. You can't just disregard the canon of the last 4 years in favour of a long-gone better written version of a character and a relationship.

Having said all of the above, Shazza is still fabulous, period.
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Old 02-11-2016, 17:46
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Maybe he's secretly lusting after Sharon .
You never know
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Old 02-11-2016, 17:46
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If Alex Lamb left EE weeks ago that means his name will be off the credits by mid December. Lamb has been the biggest problem for Sharon these past few years. As I said earlier. A writer is told what to put in the script by the story producer. Lamb either hated Sharon or had no idea who or what she was. This is evident by the retconning he did in regards to her and Den's history.
DTC/Lamb were corrosive to Sharon but she wasn't much better in 2013 was she?

I've actually been enjoying Sharon of late. It's a shame this storyline has come along and set her back for me. It's like progress can never stick with this character.

I agree with those who say Phil is the problem. I know this is sacrilege but I wouldn't mind him being killed off as he's become a real drag on those around him.
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Old 02-11-2016, 17:56
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Shazza is one of my all time faves.. but nowadays she IS a bit of a gold-digger. In the sense that she clearly believes she is owed a living and a security blanket for her and Denny. I accept that there is obviously real history and love between her and Phil. But there doesn't seem to be a great deal of mutual affection and respect in their marriage. To me it seems that she saw the old Phil she knew and loved when he was caring for and grieving for Peggy and that is what drew her to get back with him. But they seem to stick together for convenience and old times sake more than anything.

I also accept that most of this is down to poor writing and characterisation. But tough titties really. You can't just disregard the canon of the last 4 years in favour of a long-gone better written version of a character and a relationship.

Having said all of the above, Shazza is still fabulous, period.
You see you have a few saying its Sharon relying on Phil for support, yet she is the one keeping everything a float, he not been any fit state for most of the year to keep anything of his businesses or to look after his family, he been nothing but destructive, she carrying a huge bulk of the baggage to keep everything running and his family together, why his battling a illness that is killing him, that a huge strain on anyone and when you get to the point where the person you are doing it for doesn't appreciate it or even give a shit to include you in life changing decisions i.e the will then I can understand why she done what done, are her morals down, sure, she should of thought Ben corner harder but under them circumstances I can see her reasoning, misguided as it is.
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:06
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You see you have a few saying its Sharon relying on Phil for support, yet she is the one keeping everything a float, he not been any fit state for most of the year to keep anything of his businesses or to look after his family, he been nothing but destructive, she carrying a huge bulk of the baggage to keep everything running and his family together, why his battling a illness that is killing him, that a huge strain on anyone and when you get to the point where the person you are doing it for doesn't appreciate it or even give a shit to include you in life changing decisions i.e the will then I can understand why she done what done, are her morals down, sure, she should of thought Ben corner harder but under them circumstances I can see her reasoning, misguided as it is.
They have a history of never consulting each other and having secrets and that's part of the reason why the marriage is a complete sham. Sharon did her best to cut Phil out of the Albert, she let Gavin go and gave him Phil's money when the police were on the way, she gave Gavin the £100,000 and she kept the gun in the house all without consulting Phil. He in turn buggered off to Portugal to borrow money from Grant.

Actually a will is one of those things that are private as a rule.
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:14
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You see you have a few saying its Sharon relying on Phil for support, yet she is the one keeping everything a float, he not been any fit state for most of the year to keep anything of his businesses or to look after his family, he been nothing but destructive, she carrying a huge bulk of the baggage to keep everything running and his family together, why his battling a illness that is killing him, that a huge strain on anyone and when you get to the point where the person you are doing it for doesn't appreciate it or even give a shit to include you in life changing decisions i.e the will then I can understand why she done what done, are her morals down, sure, she should of thought Ben corner harder but under them circumstances I can see her reasoning, misguided as it is.
But the fact is, she STILL sticks by him. Surely any self-respecting woman would take the hint by now? Surely she should be heartbroken and questioning her future with him, not demanding the immediate amendment of the will and sod his own bloody son? As long as she's alright, her and Phil are alright. She needs to cut him loose.
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:15
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Well as this is still going on ( nice work JB! ) I might as well have my say too for what it's worth.

I've always quite liked Sharon and 'got' her. I'm afraid, and not for the first time since she came back, I just don't totally understand her motives. I can understand that as Phil's wife and legal next of kin she'd be livid that she was cut out of her husband's will. Most wives would expect to feature in their husband's will! I get that she might even think that after the way Phil manipulated Dennis and he ended up dying he might actually owe Dennis too. Not saying I totally agree with the last bit just that I can see where she's coming from.

But after the fuss she made of Ben being left out I just don't understand her attitude once she was put back in the will but not him, and quite frankly that smirk was horrendous. What was it for? To show Richie, who probably doesn't give a monkey's who's in the will one way or another, that she's 'won'? To show Phil? (who at the end of the day can change it back again behind her back).

And yes, even as a bit of a Sharon fan, I enjoyed Kathy giving her some grief lol!

Then again no matter what Phil says I don't understand him leaving it all to a 14 year old girl either
Me either cos when he was in prison a while back, it wasn't Louise he was wanting to run his businesses? That's one of the annoying things about this but then maybe after what happened last time he left the arches in Ben's hands you can understand his reticence to leave him the lot. EE has had some good continuity recently but it is letting itself down with some of this writing, plus Phil was just starting to come to terms with Ben's sexuality and has now taken 100 steps back.

I loathe dead Kathy and was conflicted when she raged at Sharon but then I kind of felt the gold digger deserved it and I am usually #TeamPhil then #TeamSharon. It was non of Kathys business tho so she was out of order
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:18
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Maybe he's secretly lusting after Sharon .
That is very likely, between Shazza and Jane J-B's tastes are getting weirder
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:34
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They have a history of never consulting each other and having secrets and that's part of the reason why the marriage is a complete sham. Sharon did her best to cut Phil out of the Albert, she let Gavin go and gave him Phil's money when the police were on the way, she gave Gavin the £100,000 and she kept the gun in the house all without consulting Phil. He in turn buggered off to Portugal to borrow money from Grant.

Actually a will is one of those things that are private as a rule.
There both as bad as each other in the retrospect, but a will is a final document and I still think she had a right to be pivy to a discussion to it, finding out afterwards would of been far worse.

But the fact is, she STILL sticks by him. Surely any self-respecting woman would take the hint by now? Surely she should be heartbroken and questioning her future with him, not demanding the immediate amendment of the will and sod his own bloody son? As long as she's alright, her and Phil are alright. She needs to cut him loose.
She is a fool for standing by him constantly and she should of ended when she had the opportunity but now his literally on death doors and she can see his dying it would be pointless to leave and try and divorce him when there little future to see, even she not that heartless, she obviously has some feeling for him, Phil is the main issue in any of relationships he had.
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:35
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That is very likely, between Shazza and Jane J-B's tastes are getting weirder
Is he going for the mature woman now? I heard Carmel a easy catch
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:37
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Is he going for the mature woman now? I heard Carmel a easy catch
JB will want too see all of you in his "office"
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:40
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JB will want too see all of you in his "office"
Where that? I don't know if I want to go into JB office, I imagine it be surrounds with whips and girls in school skirts!
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:41
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Where that? I don't know if I want to go into JB office, I imagine it be surrounds with whips and girls in school skirts!
I imagine it'll involve jbs disciplinary methods
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:42
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They have a history of never consulting each other and having secrets and that's part of the reason why the marriage is a complete sham. Sharon did her best to cut Phil out of the Albert, she let Gavin go and gave him Phil's money when the police were on the way, she gave Gavin the £100,000 and she kept the gun in the house all without consulting Phil. He in turn buggered off to Portugal to borrow money from Grant.

Actually a will is one of those things that are private as a rule.
Is a will private as a rule? Between spouses? Of course there is a legal right for them to be but I genuinely don't know of any married couple that haven't organised them together, at the same meeting with the solicitorise, precisely because they are directly affected re assets, including usually the house they, and often their kids, live. They're often the Executopia as well as Beneficiary too.

To me, keeping a will private from a spouse would be the same as having secret bank accounto. Legal of course but displaying a lack of trust or respect to yourent life partner.
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:47
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I imagine it'll involve jbs disciplinary methods
I fear it be him repeating the word my my my why throwing darts at a picture of DTC for axing his favourites 😉😱
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:47
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Is he going for the mature woman now? I heard Carmel a easy catch
If he goes for Carmel, he'll also have to have Craig as part of the package!
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:50
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There both as bad as each other in the retrospect, but a will is a final document and I still think she had a right to be pivy to a discussion to it, finding out afterwards would of been far worse.

She is a fool for standing by him constantly and she should of ended when she had the opportunity but now his literally on death doors and she can see his dying it would be pointless to leave and try and divorce him when there little future to see, even she not that heartless, she obviously has some feeling for him, Phil is the main issue in any of relationships he had.
They are as bad as each other - while they have a lot of history and clearly have feelings for each other, we're still left with an over-riding sense that neither really trusts each other.

It's a shame in many ways as historically they've worked very well together and really they should be quite a force - the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and all that....
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:58
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Is a will private as a rule? Between spouses? Of course there is a legal right for them to be but I genuinely don't know of any married couple that haven't organised them together, at the same meeting with the solicitorise, precisely because they are directly affected re assets, including usually the house they, and often their kids, live. They're often the Executopia as well as Beneficiary too.

To me, keeping a will private from a spouse would be the same as having secret bank accounto. Legal of course but displaying a lack of trust or respect to yourent life partner.
I always understood that what happens between you and your priest, solicitor or doctor is confidential. Granted most people would share the information with a spouse but it really is up to the individual. As I said this is a couple that have trust issues and these go back long before they were married. I've never seen them actually have a conversation, they just talk at each other.
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Old 02-11-2016, 19:17
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I always understood that what happens between you and your priest, solicitor or doctor is confidential. Granted most people would share the information with a spouse but it really is up to the individual. As I said this is a couple that have trust issues and these go back long before they were married. I've never seen them actually have a conversation, they just talk at each other.
As I said, of course there is no legal obligation to share the contents of a will, or indeed bank accounts and other assets with your spouse, in my experience it is very rare not to.

I don't think Sharon and PhIll are quite as bad as you're making out. They're hardly loves young dream but Phil has demonstrated trust in her business wise in the past records allowing her to manage things for him, before and after marriage.
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Old 02-11-2016, 19:21
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All this hate for Sharon how do you think Ben would feel about being left out? would he be branded a gold digger too? he has given Phil a granddaughter, a grandchild Phil seems to have forgot existed. What about her future?

Totally team Sharon on this one. Phil has only really known Louise for something like 9 months with a brief few months in 2010 while Ben has spent most of his life living with Phil.
I highly doubt he would be branded a gold digger because he is male, and a lot of posters on DS seem to think women are the devil. Hence why Sharon is getting hate for wanting her share.
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