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Old 23-11-2016, 00:18
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More knowledge nowadays is not an answer.
Of course it does.

Back in WWI and WWII the level of information available was minuscule. Today, with social media, we know what is happening before the media and government has the opportunity to put their spin on it.

Most people join the services for a career, not to kill people, and it is an insult to suggest that is what they join for.
They sign up to join a war machine that kills, maims and tortures people, there is no getting away from that.

It is all fine and well saying that someone may have signed up to become a mechanic but that person will be servicing tanks and helicopters used to kill people. They are facilitating the death of people.

Pathetic wishy washy crap.
More insults from Deep Purple.

What would be your solution, have no standing army, navy or airforce?
Every country has the right to defends itself, I don't see codeblue disputing that.
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Old 23-11-2016, 09:01
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Every country has the right to defends itself, I don't see codeblue disputing that.
When they have no argument, it seems it turns to fallacies in logic.

ie thinking the solution to not having our soldiers kill people in illegal political / oil wars is not to have an armed force.

No one is saying that, have armed forces to protect the UK. The last time i checked the Taliban were not marching down the Mall in London.
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Old 23-11-2016, 17:11
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FIFA is investigating Wales and Northern Ireland now because their fans displayed poppies and there was a soldier in uniform holding a poppy wreath.
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Old 23-11-2016, 17:34
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FIFA is investigating Wales and Northern Ireland now because their fans displayed poppies and there was a soldier in uniform holding a poppy wreath.
FIFA looking for issues where there are none.
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Old 23-11-2016, 19:21
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FIFA is investigating Wales and Northern Ireland now because their fans displayed poppies and there was a soldier in uniform holding a poppy wreath.
FIFA "investigating" anything is like some sick joke. The most morally bankrupt organisation in the history of sport. It needed a root and branch reconstruction, but they've just scratched the surface of the corruption.

As far as I know the 2022 World Cup is still scheduled to be held in Qatar despite the appalling human rights violations that continue on a daily basis.
The International Trades Union Confederation estimated from Qatar’s own public health statistics that over 1,000 migrant workers a year are dying, and that the total death toll by the time the tournament kicks off could be as high as 7,000.
I think that should be more important than a few fans wearing poppies or a soldier laying a wreath.
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Old 23-11-2016, 19:28
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FIFA is investigating Wales and Northern Ireland now because their fans displayed poppies and there was a soldier in uniform holding a poppy wreath.
They are a joke. All the problems they have, and they are still messing about with this. pathetic.
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Old 23-11-2016, 19:28
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Poppies, and all other political and militaristic symbols should be kept out of sport.

It seems the English, as usual, think they are above the rules though.
It seems the Irish, as usual, think they are above the rules as well....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38077727

"Football's world governing body recently opened disciplinary proceedings over the Republic of Ireland's use of a logo during a friendly against Switzerland in March to commemorate the centenary of the Easter Rising."
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Old 23-11-2016, 19:29
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TBF it IS a political statement.

I back FIFA on this issue. I mean surely you can show your support in other ways, you don't need to wear poppies.
How can it be a political statement? Please inform.
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Old 23-11-2016, 19:31
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When they have no argument, it seems it turns to fallacies in logic.

ie thinking the solution to not having our soldiers kill people in illegal political / oil wars is not to have an armed force.

No one is saying that, have armed forces to protect the UK. The last time i checked the Taliban were not marching down the Mall in London.
So you want an armed force that only does what you want it to do. That's not how it works.

We are part of a world wide strategy, and at the moment, the main issue facing us is Islamic groups around the world, who are striking in Europe as well as their homelands. We have a right to try and address this enemy.

We dont have to wait for them to march on London. if no one stood up to them, they'd be doing just that.
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Old 23-11-2016, 20:04
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"The FAW said the incidents being investigated include 'fans in the stands wearing the poppy'".

I'm so glad that FIFA have dealt with their corruption issues and have removed racism from the modern day game.

Edit - Also, if religious symbols are banned, when are they going to take action against Israel for having the Star of David on their shirts?
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Old 23-11-2016, 22:56
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We are part of a world wide strategy, and at the moment, the main issue facing us is Islamic groups around the world, who are striking in Europe as well as their homelands.
And the reason we are targeted is because of our foreign policy.

Another example of politics at play and how everything to do with the armed forces is political.
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Old 24-11-2016, 01:05
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It seems the Irish, as usual, think they are above the rules as well....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38077727

"Football's world governing body recently opened disciplinary proceedings over the Republic of Ireland's use of a logo during a friendly against Switzerland in March to commemorate the centenary of the Easter Rising."
I think you`ll find the Irish, unlike the English, aren`t going to war with FIFA over this issue.
I would imagine the Irish FA will take any punishment on the chin and get on with it. It was a once in a hundred years commemorative badge that nobody had a problem with at the time, until the English decided to take offence six months later and report the Irish commemorative badge to FIFA.

Thanks for that ..

Are people still arguing the poppy isn`t political btw?

I`m Irish, and i can assure you the wearing of that blood stained badge is considered political in my country.
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Old 24-11-2016, 01:15
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Old 24-11-2016, 08:26
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I`m Irish, and will whine about the English at every opportunity
Cool, ta
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Old 24-11-2016, 09:38
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I think you`ll find the Irish, unlike the English, aren`t going to war with FIFA over this issue.
I would imagine the Irish FA will take any punishment on the chin and get on with it. It was a once in a hundred years commemorative badge that nobody had a problem with at the time, until the English decided to take offence six months later and report the Irish commemorative badge to FIFA.

Thanks for that ..

Are people still arguing the poppy isn`t political btw?

I`m Irish, and i can assure you the wearing of that blood stained badge is considered political in my country.
You do know that hundreds of thousands of Irishmen fought alongside British troops in the two world wars ? Even in WW2 when Ireland were officially neutral, tens of thousands of Irishmen volunteered and were awarded 8 VC's.
You also appear confused as to the origin of the poppy, it has nothing to do with blood. It was chosen as a symbol because the fields of Flanders were a mass of poppies. Probably quite beautiful before all the slaughter.
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Old 24-11-2016, 09:56
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I think you`ll find the Irish, unlike the English, aren`t going to war with FIFA over this issue.
I would imagine the Irish FA will take any punishment on the chin and get on with it. It was a once in a hundred years commemorative badge that nobody had a problem with at the time, until the English decided to take offence six months later and report the Irish commemorative badge to FIFA.
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So when you said....

Poppies, and all other political and militaristic symbols should be kept out of sport.

It seems the English, as usual, think they are above the rules though.
What you actually meant was all political and militaristic symbols should be kept out of sport providing its not the Irish.
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Old 24-11-2016, 10:22
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I think you`ll find the Irish, unlike the English, aren`t going to war with FIFA over this issue.
I would imagine the Irish FA will take any punishment on the chin and get on with it. It was a once in a hundred years commemorative badge that nobody had a problem with at the time, until the English decided to take offence six months later and report the Irish commemorative badge to FIFA.

Thanks for that ..

Are people still arguing the poppy isn`t political btw?

I`m Irish, and i can assure you the wearing of that blood stained badge is considered political in my country.
I think we can put aside the inbred hatred of some Irish people who will never accept what the English do.

Did the English report the Irish badge? When you brought this up before, it was deemed not the case.
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Old 24-11-2016, 10:25
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And the reason we are targeted is because of our foreign policy.

Another example of politics at play and how everything to do with the armed forces is political.
Of course, these Islamists loved us in the past. Another one who wants to put all the worlds problems down to the English.

There has been trouble between East and West for centuries, because at a base level the ideologies dont mix. For most sensible people, compromises allow co existence, but for many from Islamic backgrounds, the brain washed hatred is there for life, and the stuff you write is their mantra, and justification for every terrorist act they commit.
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Old 24-11-2016, 11:38
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Of course, these Islamists loved us in the past. Another one who wants to put all the worlds problems down to the English.

There has been trouble between East and West for centuries, because at a base level the ideologies dont mix. For most sensible people, compromises allow co existence, but for many from Islamic backgrounds, the brain washed hatred is there for life, and the stuff you write is their mantra, and justification for every terrorist act they commit.
English people have killed 100+ times more innocent people of Islamic backgrounds than the other way round. Keep that in mind when acting like you are the one under attack.
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Old 24-11-2016, 11:57
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English people have killed 100+ times more innocent people of Islamic backgrounds than the other way round. Keep that in mind when acting like you are the one under attack.
And Islamic people have killed far more from their own background than we have done. That is always ignored. Nothing to do with the poppy though.
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Old 24-11-2016, 11:59
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English people have killed 100+ times more innocent people of Islamic backgrounds than the other way round. Keep that in mind when acting like you are the one under attack.
Kuwait?
Falkland Islands?

Hey guys let's just turn a blind eye because someone on an Internet forum will blame the English in the future.
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Old 24-11-2016, 12:24
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Kuwait?
Falkland Islands?

Hey guys let's just turn a blind eye because someone on an Internet forum will blame the English in the future.
For every Kuwait there is Iraq
For every Falkland Islands there is an Afghanistan.

Syria
Libya

et al.

Have we done anything about Crimea? Of course not.
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Old 24-11-2016, 12:37
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For every Kuwait there is Iraq
For every Falkland Islands there is an Afghanistan.

Syria
Libya

et al.

Have we done anything about Crimea? Of course not.
Iraq is the one that shouldn't have happened but there are two men responsible for that not the men doing what they're paid to do.

Britain's problem is being at the front of the queue whenever there is conflict . It has come back to bite us.
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Old 24-11-2016, 12:42
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Iraq is the one that shouldn't have happened but there are two men responsible for that not the men doing what they're paid to do.
That's exactly my problem.

Sign up, kill (or aid others to kill) in an illegal political war. Taking money for doing so.

The BL and the poppy and iraq "heroes" are tied to this, and other "conflicts". That's why it's become a tarnished symbol and i cannot donate to it, or see its relevance in football.

I know its not quite this easy for soldiers, but you do not have to do what your boss tells you.
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Old 24-11-2016, 12:46
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Iraq is the one that shouldn't have happened but there are two men responsible for that not the men doing what they're paid to do.

Britain's problem is being at the front of the queue whenever there is conflict . It has come back to bite us.
Exactly, paid to do.

If they do their jobs well then its up to their bosses to reward or award them. Nothing to do with me or you going about our business being forced into silences, poppies, soldiers at sporting events etc do that in your own time.

Would you ever dream of asking everyone in your work to stop work for 2 minutes as it was the 17 year since a family member died then shaming everyone who never took part.
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