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Old 24-11-2016, 12:47
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Britain's problem is being at the front of the queue whenever there is conflict . It has come back to bite us.
I agree with you here. The reason why we are a prime terrorism target is because we have so quickly got involved in other countries conflicts, and killed innocent people.
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Old 24-11-2016, 12:50
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Would you ever dream of asking everyone in your work to stop work for 2 minutes as it was the 17 year since a family member died then shaming everyone who never took part.
Do not forget raising money for YOUR family too, after-all, the poppy is a money making scheme is it not?
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Old 24-11-2016, 12:50
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I agree with you here. The reason why we are a prime terrorism target is because we have so quickly got involved in other countries conflicts, and killed innocent people.
Or even made others worse like Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland, Palestine/Israel and India/Pakistan.
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Old 24-11-2016, 12:55
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Or even made others worse like Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland, Palestine/Israel and India/Pakistan.
Another post i unfortunately agree with.

IF the poppy was a symbol remembering those who died in WW2 then i would be all for it (still not at a football match though), but it is associated with things such as the above, political wars, oil wars or wars to raise the profile of Tony Blair.

The people, the paid "solders" who were just "carrying out orders" suddenly become just a little less like people to celebrate or remember. and have irrevocably damaged the image of the poppy.
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Old 24-11-2016, 13:31
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Or even made others worse like Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland, Palestine/Israel and India/Pakistan.
Yes, the whole of history is our fault. It must be our fault that those living today live their lives through the hatred of history, rather than getting on with life today.

We didn't create the chaos that has engulfed the Islamic world for centuries. They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western, and so it carries on, because enough of them are prepared to spend their lives wanting a fight with someone.
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Old 24-11-2016, 13:50
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Another post i unfortunately agree with.

IF the poppy was a symbol remembering those who died in WW2 then i would be all for it (still not at a football match though), but it is associated with things such as the above, political wars, oil wars or wars to raise the profile of Tony Blair.
It may be in your mind but it isn't in the minds of those of us who respect it. Remembrance Day (the day of the Eng-Scot match) is an anniversary "used to remember all the people who have died in wars".

That's it. There is no other purpose except in the minds of those who like you don't like it.
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Old 24-11-2016, 13:54
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It may be in your mind but it isn't in the minds of those of us who respect it. Remembrance Day (the day of the Eng-Scot match) is an anniversary "used to remember all the people who have died in wars".

That's it. There is no other purpose except in the minds of those who like you don't like it.
I do not wish to remember those who died in ALL wars, thanks - not as a general blanket coverage.

Unfortunately some wars have had UK soldiers taking money to kill others, just for oil or political gain.

Thats what the poppy symbolizes. Perhaps not to you personally, but to others it does.
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Old 24-11-2016, 13:56
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Yes, the whole of history is our fault. It must be our fault that those living today live their lives through the hatred of history, rather than getting on with life today.

We didn't create the chaos that has engulfed the Islamic world for centuries. They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western, and so it carries on, because enough of them are prepared to spend their lives wanting a fight with someone.
Such ill thought out statements littered with yet more logical fallacies.

"They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western"

Shocking really for you to even make such generalized statements about islam. Are you so intolerant of other religions too?
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Old 24-11-2016, 13:56
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I do not wish to remember those who died in ALL wars, thanks - not as a general blanket coverage.

Unfortunately some wars have had UK soldiers taking money to kill others, just for oil or political gain.

Thats what the poppy symbolizes. Perhaps not to you personally, but to others it does.
I think you'll find that's the case in all wars, including those you approve of. It's called wages.

The poppy means to most of us what it is, and the definition given it by those who promote it, something your ilk ignore.
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Old 24-11-2016, 13:58
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I think you'll find that's the case in all wars, including those you approve of. It's called wages.

The poppy means to most of us what it is, and the definition given it by those who promote it, something your ilk ignore.
You forgot the "just for oil or political gain" part of my statement.

how convenient.

your level of debate is pretty shocking, i have to say.
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Old 24-11-2016, 13:58
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Such ill thought out statements littered with yet more logical fallacies.

"They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western"

Shocking really for you to even make such generalized statements about islam. Are you so intolerant of other religions too?
How do you account for the suicide bombers mentality, and those who support them? I have not attacked all of Islam, so dont come that one, but at a base level we have very different cultures, and compromise is required for the two to mix, and for the majority that works, but for a large enough number, it doesn't.
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Old 24-11-2016, 13:59
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You forgot the "just for oil or political gain" part of my statement.

how convenient.
Surely WW2 was political. It doesn't come much bigger than that. We fought to stop a political ideology, and maintain our own.
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Old 24-11-2016, 14:29
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How do you account for the suicide bombers mentality, and those who support them? I have not attacked all of Islam, so dont come that one, but at a base level we have very different cultures, and compromise is required for the two to mix, and for the majority that works, but for a large enough number, it doesn't.
Your statement attacked ALL of islam, here it is again:

"We didn't create the chaos that has engulfed the Islamic world for centuries. They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western, and so it carries on,"

It sounds like a generalized stereotypical view of all Muslims to me, and certainly not the view of Muslims i know!
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Old 24-11-2016, 14:32
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Surely WW2 was political. It doesn't come much bigger than that. We fought to stop a political ideology, and maintain our own.
We didn't fight to stop a "political ideology", we fought to stop a country invading the UK!

Ironically, its nice to see you that you are coming round to poppies being a political symbol.

We got there in the end.
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Old 24-11-2016, 14:35
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Your statement attacked ALL of islam, here it is again:

"We didn't create the chaos that has engulfed the Islamic world for centuries. They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western, and so it carries on,"

It sounds like a generalized stereotypical view of all Muslims to me, and certainly not the view of Muslims i know!
Nor me, which is why I clarified it, and made similar comments earlier to make sure I didn't mean every single muslim.

When I speak of those that are a threat to us, I mean those who are intent on constant warring, and those that support the way of life, of whom there are many, and lets not forget, most of the killing by muslims is against other muslims. How do you account for that mindset?.
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Old 24-11-2016, 14:37
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We didn't fight to stop a "political ideology", we fought to stop a country invading the UK!

Ironically, its nice to see you that you are coming round to poppies being a political symbol.

We got there in the end.
Rubbish. We actually fought to defend Poland. Prior to that there was no threat to invade the UK.

You clearly have no understanding of what you're on about.

By your reasoning, we actually went to war over something that was nothing to do with us, therefore it falls into the criteria of those other campaigns you dont like.

The poppy is what it is defined as by the British legion, nothing more, despite your pathetic attempts to change that.
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Old 24-11-2016, 14:40
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We didn't fight to stop a "political ideology", we fought to stop a country invading the UK!

Ironically, its nice to see you that you are coming round to poppies being a political symbol.

We got there in the end.
What school did you attend?

Did they teach you a different version of history?
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Old 24-11-2016, 14:43
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The poppy is what it is defined as by the British legion, nothing more, despite your pathetic attempts to change that.
So a money making scheme, as that's what the BL use it for.

Thanks for the clarification.

No place in football, lets kick it out, along with religious intolerance hey.
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Old 24-11-2016, 14:48
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So a money making scheme, as that's what the BL use it for.

Thanks for the clarification.

No place in football, lets kick it out, along with religious intolerance hey.
Charities generally are about making money, and in this case it involves remembering those that paid the price.
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Old 24-11-2016, 14:49
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What school did you attend?

Did they teach you a different version of history?
I think that sentence tells us a lot about her knowledge, and the reasons for the ridiculous comments being made.
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Old 24-11-2016, 14:53
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Nor me, which is why I clarified it, and made similar comments earlier to make sure I didn't mean every single muslim.
Oh so you make a terrible statement about ALL Muslims, that they brainwash their children to hate the west, which is exactly what you said...

and a later clarification once that gets pointed out is acceptable is it?

shameful, it really is.
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Old 24-11-2016, 15:02
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What school did you attend?

Did they teach you a different version of history?
That's what I was thinking. If codeblue (and a couple of others) had the nerve to post such rubbish in the political forum, they would be torn to shreds.
I'm all for people expressing different opinions, but the lack of historical knowledge to back up those opinions is astounding.
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Old 24-11-2016, 15:13
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That's what I was thinking. If codeblue (and a couple of others) had the nerve to post such rubbish in the political forum, they would be torn to shreds.
I'm all for people expressing different opinions, but the lack of historical knowledge to back up those opinions is astounding.
I regularly post in that forum, and am well respected, unlike the constant abuse i receive here.

If only the events leading to ww2 could be summed up by the simple words of "Hitler invading Poland". How naive.

But anything to deflect from the actual topic again.

Poppies are political symbols. they have no place in football.
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Old 24-11-2016, 15:21
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I regularly post in that forum, and am well respected, unlike the constant abuse i receive here.

If only the events leading to ww2 could be summed up by the simple words of "Hitler invading Poland". How naive.

But anything to deflect from the actual topic again.

Poppies are political symbols. they have no place in football.
Again nobody said it was just down to the invasion ofPoland.

You said "we fought to stop a country invading the UK!".

That is historically incorrect.

Where you post and if you are "highly respected" or not is not really important .

Bringing up a comment you made in this topic is not deflecting It is following up a comment you made to back up your point of view and discussing how your comment was incorrect and why that comment might lead to why you formed your opinion
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Old 24-11-2016, 15:34
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I regularly post in that forum, and am well respected, unlike the constant abuse i receive here.

If only the events leading to ww2 could be summed up by the simple words of "Hitler invading Poland". How naive.

But anything to deflect from the actual topic again.

Poppies are political symbols. they have no place in football.
Really ? I haven't read many contributions from you in that forum.

But I challenge you, start a thread on the same subject in the politics forum and post a few of the comments you've made here. I would love to see the response.

Ps..on second thoughts, if you consider this "abuse" you'd probably better forget the politics crowd. This is all quite cuddly compared to the stuff there.
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