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Britain's problem is being at the front of the queue whenever there is conflict . It has come back to bite us.
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Would you ever dream of asking everyone in your work to stop work for 2 minutes as it was the 17 year since a family member died then shaming everyone who never took part.
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I agree with you here. The reason why we are a prime terrorism target is because we have so quickly got involved in other countries conflicts, and killed innocent people.
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Or even made others worse like Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland, Palestine/Israel and India/Pakistan.
IF the poppy was a symbol remembering those who died in WW2 then i would be all for it (still not at a football match though), but it is associated with things such as the above, political wars, oil wars or wars to raise the profile of Tony Blair. The people, the paid "solders" who were just "carrying out orders" suddenly become just a little less like people to celebrate or remember. and have irrevocably damaged the image of the poppy. |
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Or even made others worse like Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland, Palestine/Israel and India/Pakistan.
We didn't create the chaos that has engulfed the Islamic world for centuries. They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western, and so it carries on, because enough of them are prepared to spend their lives wanting a fight with someone. |
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Another post i unfortunately agree with.
IF the poppy was a symbol remembering those who died in WW2 then i would be all for it (still not at a football match though), but it is associated with things such as the above, political wars, oil wars or wars to raise the profile of Tony Blair. That's it. There is no other purpose except in the minds of those who like you don't like it. |
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It may be in your mind but it isn't in the minds of those of us who respect it. Remembrance Day (the day of the Eng-Scot match) is an anniversary "used to remember all the people who have died in wars".
That's it. There is no other purpose except in the minds of those who like you don't like it. Unfortunately some wars have had UK soldiers taking money to kill others, just for oil or political gain. Thats what the poppy symbolizes. Perhaps not to you personally, but to others it does. |
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Yes, the whole of history is our fault. It must be our fault that those living today live their lives through the hatred of history, rather than getting on with life today.
We didn't create the chaos that has engulfed the Islamic world for centuries. They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western, and so it carries on, because enough of them are prepared to spend their lives wanting a fight with someone. "They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western" Shocking really for you to even make such generalized statements about islam. Are you so intolerant of other religions too? |
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I do not wish to remember those who died in ALL wars, thanks - not as a general blanket coverage.
Unfortunately some wars have had UK soldiers taking money to kill others, just for oil or political gain. Thats what the poppy symbolizes. Perhaps not to you personally, but to others it does. The poppy means to most of us what it is, and the definition given it by those who promote it, something your ilk ignore. |
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I think you'll find that's the case in all wars, including those you approve of. It's called wages.
The poppy means to most of us what it is, and the definition given it by those who promote it, something your ilk ignore. how convenient. your level of debate is pretty shocking, i have to say. |
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Such ill thought out statements littered with yet more logical fallacies.
"They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western" Shocking really for you to even make such generalized statements about islam. Are you so intolerant of other religions too? |
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You forgot the "just for oil or political gain" part of my statement.
how convenient. |
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How do you account for the suicide bombers mentality, and those who support them? I have not attacked all of Islam, so dont come that one, but at a base level we have very different cultures, and compromise is required for the two to mix, and for the majority that works, but for a large enough number, it doesn't.
"We didn't create the chaos that has engulfed the Islamic world for centuries. They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western, and so it carries on," It sounds like a generalized stereotypical view of all Muslims to me, and certainly not the view of Muslims i know! |
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Surely WW2 was political. It doesn't come much bigger than that. We fought to stop a political ideology, and maintain our own.
Ironically, its nice to see you that you are coming round to poppies being a political symbol. We got there in the end. |
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Your statement attacked ALL of islam, here it is again:
"We didn't create the chaos that has engulfed the Islamic world for centuries. They choose to brain wash their children to hate everything Western, and so it carries on," It sounds like a generalized stereotypical view of all Muslims to me, and certainly not the view of Muslims i know! When I speak of those that are a threat to us, I mean those who are intent on constant warring, and those that support the way of life, of whom there are many, and lets not forget, most of the killing by muslims is against other muslims. How do you account for that mindset?. |
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We didn't fight to stop a "political ideology", we fought to stop a country invading the UK!
Ironically, its nice to see you that you are coming round to poppies being a political symbol. We got there in the end. You clearly have no understanding of what you're on about. By your reasoning, we actually went to war over something that was nothing to do with us, therefore it falls into the criteria of those other campaigns you dont like. The poppy is what it is defined as by the British legion, nothing more, despite your pathetic attempts to change that. |
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We didn't fight to stop a "political ideology", we fought to stop a country invading the UK!
Ironically, its nice to see you that you are coming round to poppies being a political symbol. We got there in the end. Did they teach you a different version of history? |
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The poppy is what it is defined as by the British legion, nothing more, despite your pathetic attempts to change that.
Thanks for the clarification. No place in football, lets kick it out, along with religious intolerance hey. |
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So a money making scheme, as that's what the BL use it for.
Thanks for the clarification. No place in football, lets kick it out, along with religious intolerance hey. |
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What school did you attend?
Did they teach you a different version of history? |
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Nor me, which is why I clarified it, and made similar comments earlier to make sure I didn't mean every single muslim.
and a later clarification once that gets pointed out is acceptable is it? shameful, it really is. |
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What school did you attend?
Did they teach you a different version of history? I'm all for people expressing different opinions, but the lack of historical knowledge to back up those opinions is astounding. |
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That's what I was thinking. If codeblue (and a couple of others) had the nerve to post such rubbish in the political forum, they would be torn to shreds.
I'm all for people expressing different opinions, but the lack of historical knowledge to back up those opinions is astounding. If only the events leading to ww2 could be summed up by the simple words of "Hitler invading Poland". How naive. But anything to deflect from the actual topic again. Poppies are political symbols. they have no place in football. |
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I regularly post in that forum, and am well respected, unlike the constant abuse i receive here.
If only the events leading to ww2 could be summed up by the simple words of "Hitler invading Poland". How naive. But anything to deflect from the actual topic again. Poppies are political symbols. they have no place in football. You said "we fought to stop a country invading the UK!". That is historically incorrect. Where you post and if you are "highly respected" or not is not really important . Bringing up a comment you made in this topic is not deflecting It is following up a comment you made to back up your point of view and discussing how your comment was incorrect and why that comment might lead to why you formed your opinion |
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I regularly post in that forum, and am well respected, unlike the constant abuse i receive here.
If only the events leading to ww2 could be summed up by the simple words of "Hitler invading Poland". How naive. But anything to deflect from the actual topic again. Poppies are political symbols. they have no place in football. But I challenge you, start a thread on the same subject in the politics forum and post a few of the comments you've made here. I would love to see the response. Ps..on second thoughts, if you consider this "abuse" you'd probably better forget the politics crowd. This is all quite cuddly compared to the stuff there.
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