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Old 26-11-2016, 15:19
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I wouldn't be opposed to changing it for a more international symbol if that's the only problem. I think we could stand shoulder to shoulder with the Germans to remember our war dead. The ordinary German soldier wasn't a Nazi, they were just doing their duty and following the lies of politicians. Which is the same argument I would use to remember the fallen British soldiers of recent wars, including the Iraq debacle.

The poppy is not a symbol that glorifies war or celebrates victory. It's a sad symbol that represents the tragic waste of human life in all wars, by all nations. If anything, it should make people stop for a few minutes and remember the costs involved in blindly following our leaders. That old saying..ours is not to reason why etc couldn't be more wrong. Stopping to reason why is exactly what we should all be doing.
One problem of course is that many countries around Europe are far more reluctant to go down this route of war commemoration. Quite a few were neutral but were invaded and occupied (places like the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway) and have nothing but bad memories of the war and don't particularly want to revisit it.

Others were on the wrong side (Germany, Austria, Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania) and again have no desire to go near the subject. So it's actually a very delicate area and not everyone would on board with the British way of doing things.
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Old 26-11-2016, 17:04
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It's more than a poppy, it's minutes silences, wreathes on the centre circle and soldiers on the pitch.

And if course, if players refuse they get death threats
Chelsea's former Doctor got death threats as well, another negative from social media and the internet and letting people use it for opinions and views etc. I dare say the latest comedy act on The Shite Factor will or has got them

Can you not just switch the channel over if you don't want to see something?
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Old 26-11-2016, 17:08
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It's more than a poppy, it's minutes silences, wreathes on the centre circle and soldiers on the pitch.

And if course, if players refuse they get death threats
Death threats are another common consequence of the idiots roaming social media. It's the equivalent of someone shouting in the playground *I'll kill you" over nothing.

As nation we commemorate these things across all walks of life, and if football wants to be part of it, then there shouldn't be a problem, and there isn't for the majority.

The England and Scotland fans actually had something in common for once.
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Old 26-11-2016, 17:10
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Most don't use any at all. France and Belgium do have an Armistice Day which is a national holiday but use their national flag as the symbol instead and a few other countries just have a simple memorial day.
That's the point. The poppy has been a well established part of all of our lives. The Germans, and Balkan States are hardly likely to throw in some controversial symbol because of this.

If Fifa hadn't made a fuss, this would never have been an issue, and poppy day would have been forgotten until next year.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:12
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That's the point. The poppy has been a well established part of all of our lives. The Germans, and Balkan States are hardly likely to throw in some controversial symbol because of this.

If Fifa hadn't made a fuss, this would never have been an issue, and poppy day would have been forgotten until next year.
The FA's plan was to wear the poppy on their shirt though for the Scotland game which is strictly forbidden under FIFA rules (the rules state for a FIFA match that only the badge of the football association can be displayed and nothing else, with no exceptions).
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:18
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The FA's plan was to wear the poppy on their shirt though for the Scotland game which is strictly forbidden under FIFA rules (the rules state for a FIFA match that only the badge of the football association can be displayed and nothing else, with no exceptions).
But they didn't do that, they wore them on armbands, which had been allowed before.

Fifa are as corrupt as they come, and make up their own rules, and enforce them as they wish, plus they have a long standing hatred of us.

If they hadn't made a fuss, no one would have cared.
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:46
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, they were just doing their duty and following the lies of politicians..
And so the story continues.
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Old 28-11-2016, 11:05
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But they didn't do that, they wore them on armbands, which had been allowed before.

Fifa are as corrupt as they come, and make up their own rules, and enforce them as they wish, plus they have a long standing hatred of us.

If they hadn't made a fuss, no one would have cared.
Tinfoil helmet time?
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Old 28-11-2016, 11:16
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I've never got on with the idea that FIFA or UEFA specifically hate England, they're generally just feckless and terrible to everyone.

Dub2 though, definitely hates the English.
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Old 28-11-2016, 11:28
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I've never got on with the idea that FIFA or UEFA specifically hate England, they're generally just feckless and terrible to everyone.
Absolutely, they are useless and spineless to everyone. Equal opportunities levels of useless

With the poppy, they are being seen to be doing things. I agree that its a problem and should not be in football, but it really should be at the bottom of their priority list.

Its like they refuse to tackle corruption (including their own), human rights violations in Russia and Qatar, racism, homophobia, sexism, religion, and we can probably add sex abuse too.

Similar to police persons, who would rather book a person for a parking violation than tackle the drug dealer standing on the corner.
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Old 28-11-2016, 12:43
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Absolutely, they are useless and spineless to everyone. Equal opportunities levels of useless

With the poppy, they are being seen to be doing things. I agree that its a problem and should not be in football, but it really should be at the bottom of their priority list.

Its like they refuse to tackle corruption (including their own), human rights violations in Russia and Qatar, racism, homophobia, sexism, religion, and we can probably add sex abuse too.

Similar to police persons, who would rather book a person for a parking violation than tackle the drug dealer standing on the corner
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That's another of your facts is it?
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Old 28-11-2016, 13:01
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I think they should properly deal with the dreadful crime of kicking water bottles on the touchline.
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Old 28-11-2016, 13:06
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That's another of your facts is it?
A bit rich, from the person who stated in this forum that ALL followers of Islam "brainwash their children against the west". Perhaps you should get your own "facts" in order first before letting your religious intolerance and Islamophobia stink up the forum and derail yet another thread?

The issue of a poppy embroidered on a football shirt and the presence of serving soldiers on a football pitch is what we should be talking about.

My position is softening, reading other well constructed arguments on this forum and this thread.

I still do not agree with it, but i appreciate that this should be one of the least things on fifas list to investigate and worry about when people are being killed just building a stadium for the world cup in Qatar.

They should also be preparing for violence in Russia. The European Championships should have alerted them to problems with Russian fans - its going to be absolutely terrifying for British fans traveling there in 2018. Who in their right mind would go?
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Old 28-11-2016, 13:06
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I think they should properly deal with the dreadful crime of kicking water bottles on the touchline.
Nice attempt at a WUM, but lets let the FA hand out whats thought to be a 6 game ban and leave it at that.
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Old 28-11-2016, 13:15
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Nice attempt at a WUM, but lets let the FA hand out whats thought to be a 6 game ban and leave it at that.
I actually thought your attempt in the other thread was crap by your usual standards, but hey ho.
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Old 28-11-2016, 14:51
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A bit rich, from the person who stated in this forum that ALL followers of Islam "brainwash their children against the west". Perhaps you should get your own "facts" in order first before letting your religious intolerance and Islamophobia stink up the forum and derail yet another thread?

The issue of a poppy embroidered on a football shirt and the presence of serving soldiers on a football pitch is what we should be talking about.

My position is softening, reading other well constructed arguments on this forum and this thread.

I still do not agree with it, but i appreciate that this should be one of the least things on fifas list to investigate and worry about when people are being killed just building a stadium for the world cup in Qatar.

They should also be preparing for violence in Russia. The European Championships should have alerted them to problems with Russian fans - its going to be absolutely terrifying for British fans traveling there in 2018. Who in their right mind would go?
A downright lie, and you know that, because it has already been clarified more than once for your benefit, as well as not being written in that context to start with.

I questioned you about your statement on the police, which you ignored, as you do most things.

If it has taken comments on this forum to soften your stance on Fifa, and look at at the really serious stuff they have done, and are doing, then your head really has been in the sand.

A couple of people have accused you of being a WUM now, so maybe that is the case, if you are seriously claiming you were unaware of the depth of corruption surrounding Fifa.
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Old 28-11-2016, 15:11
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Codeblue is Seb Blatter and I claim my £5.
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Old 19-12-2016, 12:39
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38368144

So FIFA have had the nerve to fine all four home nations a paltry amount. How do they justify fining England more than Scotland I wonder.

Fifa has fined all four home nations for displaying poppies during World Cup qualifiers around Armistice Day.

England and Scotland players wore armbands featuring the symbol when they met at Wembley on 11 November.

Wales and Northern Ireland's respective games featured displays to mark the event on the pitch or in the stands.

England have been fined 45,000 Swiss francs (£35,311), Scotland and Wales 20,000 Sfr (£15,694) and Northern Ireland 15,000 Sfr (£11,770).
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Old 19-12-2016, 12:44
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The fines are pathetic.

The simple answer is, call off the game until players are wearing the correct kit.
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Old 19-12-2016, 12:47
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How do they justify fining England more than Scotland I wonder.
They probably see England as being the "ringleaders" of the campaign.

Let's just be thankful that no points were deducted.
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Old 19-12-2016, 12:52
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They probably see England as being the "ringleaders" of the campaign.

Let's just be thankful that no points were deducted.
I doubt they would dare do anything significant, because we didn't actually break the rules, but they hate England more than the others, so they gave us a bit more.
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Old 19-12-2016, 12:52
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The fines are pathetic.

The simple answer is, call off the game until players are wearing the correct kit.
Yep that's a realistic possible solution.

Utterly ridiculous suggestion on every single possible level
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Old 19-12-2016, 12:56
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England are the big association so get the bigger fine.

A fine was always going to be the only punishment and it was locical that England would get the bigger fine
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Old 19-12-2016, 12:58
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The Republic of Ireland have been fined a much smaller amount (around £4000) for wearing a 1916-2016 logo on their shirts before a friendly in March to mark the Easter Rising 1916 :

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/1219/839938-fai/
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Old 19-12-2016, 13:29
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They have claimed England have been fined more for being at home, but they have also included punishment for spectators wearing poppies.

I hope no one tries to defend that action.
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