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Old 01-11-2016, 20:32
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I presume you have evidence to back up your argument that they are using underhand tactics to conduct their business or are you just going off on one again?
Its the peer pressure that they have built up around this "rememberance" that i consider underhand.

It's so bad that dare a person in tv or in politics not wear one, they would be front page/ headline news.

You do not have to wear a poppy or donate to the BL to remember people who died in a ridiculous, pointless war (The first world war) 100 years ago. I have absolutely no doubt that 99% of people who wear a poppy could not tell you what it was actually about.

But lets get this thread on topic again, poppies should be nowhere near football kits. It would set a prescident that would quickly become very ugly indeed.
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Old 01-11-2016, 20:36
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Is it against the rules for the England players to have Poppy Tattoos on there arms because they did say it is against the rules for them to have anything on their shirts. But they never said anything about not having them on their skin
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Old 01-11-2016, 22:17
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All this wearing of poppies..... a compulsory minute's silence when the training ground tea ladies cat dies....... breaking out in spontaneous applause during so-and-so minute of every match to commemorate a fan who walked in front of a bus of that number when he was staggering home drunk after a match one night three seasons ago..... is all a pretty recent phenomena and I think it's more a case of football creating a theatre within a theatre.

What do you go to a football match for..? To watch a football match, perhaps..?

Or do you go because you want to make a statement about a war that happened more than 100 years ago, and which until recently nobody really gave a toss about until the Afghanistan war became a media event and led to the appalling spectacle of "grief tourism" whenever hearses bearing flag draped coffins trundled through Wooton Basset like so many flower-bedecked carnival floats

Remembrance has become a hype and everybody has to join in or risk being labelled "disrespectful" and not showing enough "gratitude" for those who have "made the ultimate sacrifice."

It isn't just football that does this, it's spread across the entire sporting canon and is getting, frankly, silly now.

Do footballers really NEED to wear a poppy on their shirt..? Will it make them better players..? Do we really need to have Corporal Bloggs marching into the middle of the pitch before the game with a wreath that gets put there for a minute while somebody plays the Last Post (badly) and it then gets taken away...? Does that make us better people..?

Every year we remember the fallen of two world wars on Remembrance Sunday. The Queen lays a wreath at the Cenotaph on behalf of the nation and two minutes silence is observed at 11 am.

And that's it.

We can show respect by wearing a poppy and observing the two minutes silence. It doesn't have to be turned into an orgiastic display of everybody trying to outdo everybody else...... "Hey, I'm wearing a bigger poppy than you."

Until "Remembrance" became an industry, with a very lucrative tourist trade in Battlefield Site Tours, Wooton Basset (now Royal Wooton Basset) doing very nicely indeed out of Grief Tourism, and soldiers wives singing sentimental, mawkish ballads (awfully), the National Festival of Remembrance was as much as was needed to remember the fallen.

Football, like all other sports, is just following the bandwagon. Half the players in the Premier League probably haven't got a bloody clue what it's all about and IRA sympathiser James McLean at WBA would probably turn his back if he thought he'd get away with it

It's a hype. How about football just goes back to being about playing football..?
*Round of applause for this BRILLIANT post*
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Old 01-11-2016, 22:40
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But lets get this thread on topic again, poppies should be nowhere near football kits. It would set a prescident that would quickly become very ugly indeed.
They already are - if you'd noticed in recent years in the PL on the match day nearest Remembrance Sunday all the players (except James McLean) have poppies on their shirts. And I have not seen anything ugly really - apart from the abuse directed towards McLean - who dares to think it through and come to his own personal conclusion - and good on him for doing so. Or don't we believe in freedom of speech in this country?

I am probably on the side of FIFA as I think to allow it in internationals it would maybe open the floodgates for other perhaps more controversial symbols to be worn by other countries - and then it becomes a bigger issue. But really as with so much these days there is a lot of posturing and mock outrage going on here - and it is a great excuse for the Daily Mail or The Sun or those like that to get on some kind of moral crusade about goodness knows what - cos to me those papers and the phrase moral crusade do not belong in the same sentence
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Old 01-11-2016, 22:53
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I dont know why they have to be obsessed with having a poppy on their kit, if players wish to wear a poppy before or after a match then they can, the world isnt going to end just because they cant wear a poppy motive for 90 minutes
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Old 02-11-2016, 07:12
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All this wearing of poppies..... a compulsory minute's silence when the training ground tea ladies cat dies....... breaking out in spontaneous applause during so-and-so minute of every match to commemorate a fan who walked in front of a bus of that number when he was staggering home drunk after a match one night three seasons ago..... is all a pretty recent phenomena and I think it's more a case of football creating a theatre within a theatre.

What do you go to a football match for..? To watch a football match, perhaps..?

Or do you go because you want to make a statement about a war that happened more than 100 years ago, and which until recently nobody really gave a toss about until the Afghanistan war became a media event and led to the appalling spectacle of "grief tourism" whenever hearses bearing flag draped coffins trundled through Wooton Basset like so many flower-bedecked carnival floats

Remembrance has become a hype and everybody has to join in or risk being labelled "disrespectful" and not showing enough "gratitude" for those who have "made the ultimate sacrifice."

It isn't just football that does this, it's spread across the entire sporting canon and is getting, frankly, silly now.

Do footballers really NEED to wear a poppy on their shirt..? Will it make them better players..? Do we really need to have Corporal Bloggs marching into the middle of the pitch before the game with a wreath that gets put there for a minute while somebody plays the Last Post (badly) and it then gets taken away...? Does that make us better people..?

Every year we remember the fallen of two world wars on Remembrance Sunday. The Queen lays a wreath at the Cenotaph on behalf of the nation and two minutes silence is observed at 11 am.

And that's it.

We can show respect by wearing a poppy and observing the two minutes silence. It doesn't have to be turned into an orgiastic display of everybody trying to outdo everybody else...... "Hey, I'm wearing a bigger poppy than you."

Until "Remembrance" became an industry, with a very lucrative tourist trade in Battlefield Site Tours, Wooton Basset (now Royal Wooton Basset) doing very nicely indeed out of Grief Tourism, and soldiers wives singing sentimental, mawkish ballads (awfully), the National Festival of Remembrance was as much as was needed to remember the fallen.

Football, like all other sports, is just following the bandwagon. Half the players in the Premier League probably haven't got a bloody clue what it's all about and IRA sympathiser James McLean at WBA would probably turn his back if he thought he'd get away with it

It's a hype. How about football just goes back to being about playing football..?
I completely agree with this. Yet, I would also say careful were you tread, I am sure we both know of topics in football like this which follow the same type of grief indulgence. Fits in with the modern world of victimhood as well.
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Old 02-11-2016, 08:28
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Wootton Bassett, now Royal Wootton Bassett (see the spelling) would have been more than happy to not have become the focal point of the repatriations. There was no effort by the people of RWB to turn the repatriations in to any sort of grief tourism at all. The initial displays of support on the High St were simply carried out by local RBL members (from memory) as a mark of respect as the vehicles drove past. As they did this the locals became aware of what was happening and stood in support of those that failed to home too. This went on for some time before sadly the media became involved and hyped the "event" and this was requested to stop http://socialistunity.com/leave-us-a...-media-circus/

As far as I am aware, no one took the opportunity to make money from the repatriations, yes some of the hotels, bars, restaurants might have taken more money on the days the repatriations took place as more people came to the town from outside, but I know that many locals actively chose not to use the High St at these times due eventually to the volume of people there (mainly the media that didn't need to be there) making it difficult to get around.
The respect shown by the people of Bassett during this time was truly emotional and made me happy to have been brought up in such a place. The appreciation for what was done has been recognised by the title of Royal being given to the town which again was not requested but humbly accepted by the town.
A local artist & sculptor has also created a permanent piece that he donated to town as a thank you & opened by Princess Anne. http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/n...ated/#gallery0
Well said.

I could not care less whether footballers wear shirts with a poppy printed on them or not but there was no need to incorporate an unwarranted criticism of the role of Wootton Bassett in the repatriation of troops killed in action.
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Old 02-11-2016, 08:33
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They already are - if you'd noticed in recent years in the PL on the match day nearest Remembrance Sunday all the players (except James McLean) have poppies on their shirts. And I have not seen anything ugly really - apart from the abuse directed towards McLean - who dares to think it through and come to his own personal conclusion - and good on him for doing so. Or don't we believe in freedom of speech in this country?

I am probably on the side of FIFA as I think to allow it in internationals it would maybe open the floodgates for other perhaps more controversial symbols to be worn by other countries - and then it becomes a bigger issue. But really as with so much these days there is a lot of posturing and mock outrage going on here - and it is a great excuse for the Daily Mail or The Sun or those like that to get on some kind of moral crusade about goodness knows what - cos to me those papers and the phrase moral crusade do not belong in the same sentence
No problem with principles but there's a correct way to conduct yourself. Turning your back when the national anthem is being played during a pre season friendly goes beyond that. We are a tolerant nation but I can imagine that kind of stunt would get a lot more reaction if it had happened elsewhere.

McClean has the right to protest but he draws attention to himself because of the way he makes an arse of himself to do it.
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Old 02-11-2016, 09:08
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No problem with principles but there's a correct way to conduct yourself. Turning your back when the national anthem is being played during a pre season friendly goes beyond that. We are a tolerant nation but I can imagine that kind of stunt would get a lot more reaction if it had happened elsewhere.

McClean has the right to protest but he draws attention to himself because of the way he makes an arse of himself to do it.
And he is of course quite happy for all those notes with the English Queen's head on them to roll into his bank account every week, and live in England, and take advantage of everything that gives.

I think he's an ignorant ****.
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Old 02-11-2016, 09:13
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I dont know why they have to be obsessed with having a poppy on their kit, if players wish to wear a poppy before or after a match then they can, the world isnt going to end just because they cant wear a poppy motive for 90 minutes
I agree but we all know what would happen if footballers or football teams decided not have a poppy..

The non-footballing media or fan would be crying "look at those over paid out of touch footballers" - do they care about the past etc.

Its almost a good PR thing to them - trying to create a positive image.
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Old 02-11-2016, 09:18
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And he is of course quite happy for all those notes with the English Queen's head on them to roll into his bank account every week, and live in England, and take advantage of everything that gives.

I think he's an ignorant ****.
Bit too close to the 'if you don't like it, leave' rhetoric there. He clearly doesn't hate the country.
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Old 02-11-2016, 12:50
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Theresa May's stuck her oar in.

Not sure that it's really her place to do so.
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Old 02-11-2016, 13:16
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Theresa May's stuck her oar in.

Not sure that it's really her place to do so.
It is getting a tad bit out of hand now, and seeing the PM say things on it, is just pushing it a bit far now.
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Old 02-11-2016, 13:39
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Another year, another poppy "controversy". It's become a pretty gaudy spectacle these days.
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Old 02-11-2016, 13:41
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Theresa May's stuck her oar in.

Not sure that it's really her place to do so.
Tory/bandwagon/easy target scenario.
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Old 02-11-2016, 15:10
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Having all the politicians wade in makes it slightly harder to deny it's political.
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Old 02-11-2016, 15:19
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Theresa May's stuck her oar in.

Not sure that it's really her place to do so.
Well of course she has to or the tabloids would be all over her for not "standing up for Britain". Anyway it costs her nothing and might gain her a bit of approval especially if FIFA back down.
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Old 02-11-2016, 16:01
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Well of course she has to or the tabloids would be all over her for not "standing up for Britain". Anyway it costs her nothing and might gain her a bit of approval especially if FIFA back down.
I agree that it'll score her a few PR points, and as it was a direct question, she had to answer.

However, it amounted to little more than a clueless rant, as is often the case when (British) politicians try to involve themselves in football matters.
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Old 02-11-2016, 16:56
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I couldn't care either way whether they have poppies on their shirts or not, but if players/teams want to they should be allowed to especially as FIFA only ban emblems that represent poilitcal, religious or commercial things and the poppy doens't fall into any of those definitions, plus FIFA didn't do anyhting about Ireland having something on their shirt commemerating the Easter Uprising (friendly against Slovakia I believe).
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Old 02-11-2016, 16:57
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I agree that it'll score her a few PR points, and as it was a direct question, she had to answer.

However, it amounted to little more than a clueless rant, as is often the case when (British) politicians try to involve themselves in football matters.
She didn't really need to get involved, she could have easily said something along the lines of "that is for the relevant authorities to decide for themselves", rather than getting on her high horse about it.
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Old 02-11-2016, 17:10
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Every year now we seem to have these Beat Your Neighbour type debates about who is the most patriotic/caring around Remembance Day. Tiresome.
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:09
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Either play by FIFA's rules or do not play at all.

Theresa May's stuck her oar in.

Not sure that it's really her place to do so.
It takes attention off important matters. It works out well for her and people are too blind to see it.
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:30
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Fifa have no right to ban people from wearing it so Wear the poppy and ignore what they said. Let them try to punish those who wore it.
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:36
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Fifa have no right to ban people from wearing it so Wear the poppy and ignore what they said. Let them try to punish those who wore it.
They could choose to deduct points rather than a fine, do you really want to risk that? for what? we are as bad as them if we do ignore them.
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Old 02-11-2016, 18:39
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Fifa have no right to ban people from wearing it so Wear the poppy and ignore what they said. Let them try to punish those who wore it.
Of course they do.

There are rules that games must be played under and this is one of them to say that the governing body of a organisation has not right to do something such is this is utterly ridiculous
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