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Old 10-11-2016, 16:47
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I read Wales and Northern Ireland are just going to wear black armbands as a mark of respect for fear of being fined or losing points.

Be interesting to see if UEFA really do punish us and the Scots.
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Old 10-11-2016, 17:03
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I read Wales and Northern Ireland are just going to wear black armbands as a mark of respect for fear of being fined or losing points.

Be interesting to see if UEFA really do punish us and the Scots.
Well, they should. If they're told they can't wear the poppy, it's against a rule, and they defy the rule, then they should be punished otherwise it could encourage others to wear other symbols, that are definitely political. They'll probably just be fined, but at least then it shows you won't get away with it.
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Old 10-11-2016, 19:57
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I see England U21 are wearing a black arm band tonight with poppy, so if any charges are to be brought, they should be brought against them first.
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Old 10-11-2016, 20:34
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Would anyone actually weep if we were banned from international?
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Old 10-11-2016, 21:54
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Would anyone actually weep if we were banned from international?
I wouldn't 'weep', but I'd be disappointed.

I can't be arsed with friendlies, but I watch England's competitive games. I know that we've been pretty dismal at major tournaments, for years, but I'd still rather that we were there.

As good as USA '94 was at times, I hated the fact that England weren't in it.
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Old 10-11-2016, 21:57
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Argentina only got a fine for holding a banner about the Falkland Islands so id expect a similar fine here. Anymore would be ridiculous.
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Old 11-11-2016, 08:37
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I see England U21 are wearing a black arm band tonight with poppy, so if any charges are to be brought, they should be brought against them first.
I think the armband is ok with FIFA, it's what we did last time with their approval.
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Old 12-11-2016, 21:07
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Argentina only got a fine for holding a banner about the Falkland Islands so id expect a similar fine here. Anymore would be ridiculous.
I guess the difference is that the FA & SFA sought clarification, where told 'no' and then went ahead & defied FIFA. That may annoy FIFA just a little. The IFA on the other hand went with what they were told but still managed to have a very respectful rememberance
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Old 13-11-2016, 09:14
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I'm still wondering what on earth this has to do with football?
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Old 13-11-2016, 09:34
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I see the Home Nation rugby teams wore poppies, without anyone claiming they were making political statements, and no threats from their organisations. Common sense applied.
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Old 13-11-2016, 09:36
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Same for the crickets and Andy Murray had one on too...

No wonder these sports look down and football and just think "what a joke" at times.

I wonder if we did get docked points or fined how UEFA will deal with Romania after this very serious incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ieEjQ8Te6g
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Old 13-11-2016, 10:35
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I see the Home Nation rugby teams wore poppies, without anyone claiming they were making political statements, and no threats from their organisations. Common sense applied.
You allow one, you allow all.

So I await to see an armband with an Isis symbol, remembering those who martyred themselves for their cause.

Football should be free of all this garbage, whatever side you are on.
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Old 13-11-2016, 11:46
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You allow one, you allow all.

So I await to see an armband with an Isis symbol, remembering those who martyred themselves for their cause.

Football should be free of all this garbage, whatever side you are on.
Totally different though, isn't it ? Practically the entire world regards ISIS with contempt. It would be a symbol of hatred and intolerance, even for the vast majority of Muslims.
I've never seen the poppy as a jingoistic symbol, otherwise I would probably agree with you. I would actually have no problem with Iraq remembering their war dead providing it was done in the same manner.
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Old 13-11-2016, 11:56
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You allow one, you allow all.

So I await to see an armband with an Isis symbol, remembering those who martyred themselves for their cause.

Football should be free of all this garbage, whatever side you are on.
It shows your mentality when you compare a well established remembrance symbol, with a non existent symbol supporting international terrorism.

Other sports have not made an issue of our teams, and individuals wearing poppies, because there shouldn't be one.
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Old 13-11-2016, 16:10
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None of this matters, the fa cannot suddenly decide they are wearing a symbol , one that is highly charged and political, against the regulations of FIFA.

Fifa cannot allow them to, as they leave themselves open to all sorts of symbols, each of equal merit, yes even Isis, (as much I I personally find them abhorrent myself).
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Old 13-11-2016, 17:03
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None of this matters, the fa cannot suddenly decide they are wearing a symbol , one that is highly charged and political, against the regulations of FIFA.

Fifa cannot allow them to, as they leave themselves open to all sorts of symbols, each of equal merit, yes even Isis, (as much I I personally find them abhorrent myself).
Yes they can as they have did for the Scotland game

And yes FIFA can allow them to if they wish to and no it wont leave themselves open to anything as they choose who they punish and why they punish and how they punish them
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Old 13-11-2016, 19:41
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None of this matters, the fa cannot suddenly decide they are wearing a symbol , one that is highly charged and political, against the regulations of FIFA.

Fifa cannot allow them to, as they leave themselves open to all sorts of symbols, each of equal merit, yes even Isis, (as much I I personally find them abhorrent myself).
It's not highly charged or political. Some people are trying to make it that. Why has there been no problem in other sports?

Hopefully common sense will prevail, and likening the poppy to an Isis symbol is what is outrageous.
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Old 13-11-2016, 21:49
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It's not highly charged or political.
That is your opinion but I hate to remind you that your opinion is not worth more than somebody elses who might think that you are wrong and thinks that it is political.

Hopefully common sense will prevail, and likening the poppy to an Isis symbol is what is outrageous.
Some people see the illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq etc as a terrorist act therefore it is a perfectly fair comparison.
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Old 14-11-2016, 01:39
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That is your opinion but I hate to remind you that your opinion is not worth more than somebody elses who might think that you are wrong and thinks that it is political.

I would honestly like to know how anyone could find wearing the poppy, or the sentiment behind it, is political. What political viewpoint does it represent ?

Some people see the illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq etc as a terrorist act therefore it is a perfectly fair comparison.
Plenty of people who wear the poppy would agree that the invasion of Iraq was illegal. Many also believe the First World War was a sad waste of human life on both sides. The poppy isn't about celebrating war, it's about remembering the dead.
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Old 14-11-2016, 08:34
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Bringing up ISIS is a bit mad, but I guess when the subject already relates to Nazis Godwin's Law states you have to find an alternative.
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Old 14-11-2016, 10:41
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The ISIS point is taking the discussion in a very extreme direction, but I can't say I disagree with the general underlying point.
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Old 14-11-2016, 11:30
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Nor would I, it's just been a little obscured with a layer of hysteria.
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Old 14-11-2016, 12:03
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That is your opinion but I hate to remind you that your opinion is not worth more than somebody elses who might think that you are wrong and thinks that it is political.



Some people see the illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq etc as a terrorist act therefore it is a perfectly fair comparison
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They dont know what a terrorist act is then, and it is far from a fair comparison.
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Old 14-11-2016, 12:13
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They dont know what a terrorist act is then, and it is far from a fair comparison.
Its quite clear that there was no lawful mandate to invade iraq for the 2nd time. But you are right, it was an act of war and not terrorism.

But of course we dont seem to want to put tony blair on trial for that, or the soldiers who committed it.

If people see the poppy as political, as i do, then it is quite inflammatory to have it on your shirt during a football match for goodness sake.

IF the poppy was a symbol of just remembering those who were conscripted and died during the second world war, I would be all for it. They actually did die fighting for the freedom of the UK. But it still would have no place on a football shirt.

But as it stands, the poppy is used to remember full time soldiers who got paid for , and died, during wars that were unlawful - see iraq and Afghanistan, and you could add Libya and Syria to the list too according to some.

Its too politically charged to have any place in football.
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Old 14-11-2016, 15:21
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I see Stan Wawrinka wearing a poppy at the tennis, whilst playing against a Japanese player. The tennis authorities seem to have more class than FIFA, but then again, who doesn't?
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