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I see Stan Wawrinka wearing a poppy at the tennis, whilst playing against a Japanese player. The tennis authorities seem to have more class than FIFA, but then again, who doesn't?
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Its quite clear that there was no lawful mandate to invade iraq for the 2nd time. But you are right, it was an act of war and not terrorism.
But of course we dont seem to want to put tony blair on trial for that, or the soldiers who committed it. If people see the poppy as political, as i do, then it is quite inflammatory to have it on your shirt during a football match for goodness sake. IF the poppy was a symbol of just remembering those who were conscripted and died during the second world war, I would be all for it. They actually did die fighting for the freedom of the UK. But it still would have no place on a football shirt. But as it stands, the poppy is used to remember full time soldiers who got paid for , and died, during wars that were unlawful - see iraq and Afghanistan, and you could add Libya and Syria to the list too according to some. Its too politically charged to have any place in football. |
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It seems no other sport has had a problem here,
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Has a hurling side, or a Garlic football side or a kabaddi side ever worn a poppy or had a side ask the governing body if it was okay to wear one?
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Then that is you distorting the facts. It has been used in all manner of sports without a problem. It is what it is, despite people trying to change that.
or are wars not political? |
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Of course its political.
or are wars not political? Do you actually like or approve of anything? |
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The poppy is not about celebrating wars.
Do you actually like or approve of anything? its remembering people who took part in political wars of course its a political symbol |
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who is celebrating?
its remembering people who took part in political wars of course its a political symbol |
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You're a joke. You can find out what it is about, but you're not interested in reality, that much is evident from everything you write.
The poppy is a political symbol, to remember the soldiers who have died in wars, wars directed by the politics of the time and the command given by the prime minister. Some of those wars were just (WW2 for example) and some unjust and illegal, like the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. To say anything otherwise is going against the facts. There is no harm in the poppy being a political symbol, it doesn't hurt anyone to admit its a political symbol. But that it has no place in football. Just like we would not embroider a crucifix on the shirt. |
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Fifa has opened disciplinary proceedings against England and Scotland for wearing poppies in Friday's World Cup qualifier.
You have to laugh. FIFA, that organisation of absolute trust and integrity are taking action over the wearing of poppies. Unbelievable.There has been no problem in other sports, and no fuss, but FIFA, with all their baggage, and massive issues, decide to act on this. Pathetic. |
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Cannot form an argument so you result in a personal attack.
The poppy is a political symbol, to remember the soldiers who have died in wars, wars directed by the politics of the time and the command given by the prime minister. Some of those wars were just (WW2 for example) and some unjust and illegal, like the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. To say anything otherwise is going against the facts. There is no harm in the poppy being a political symbol, it doesn't hurt anyone to admit its a political symbol. But that it has no place in football. Just like we would not embroider a crucifix on the shirt. |
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I see Stan Wawrinka wearing a poppy at the tennis, whilst playing against a Japanese player. The tennis authorities seem to have more class than FIFA, but then again, who doesn't?
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Yes, although the garlic football federation kicked up a real stink about it.
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Will a fine or even points deduction actually make much of a difference?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37972265
You have to laugh. FIFA, that organisation of absolute trust and integrity are taking action over the wearing of poppies. Unbelievable. There has been no problem in other sports, and no fuss, but FIFA, with all their baggage, and massive issues, decide to act on this. Pathetic. Not that I particularly agree with FIFA's stance on poppies, but if the rules are there then they were always going to make an example of England and Scotland. |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37972265
You have to laugh. FIFA, that organisation of absolute trust and integrity are taking action over the wearing of poppies. Unbelievable. There has been no problem in other sports, and no fuss, but FIFA, with all their baggage, and massive issues, decide to act on this. Pathetic. |
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The F.A should donate the same amount of money they are fined to The Poppy Appeal and Help For Hero's just to make a bigger statement money goes to a very good cause and the soap box warriors will get "outraged" again
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Will a fine or even points deduction actually make much of a difference?
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It's not going to be a points deduction - unless, of course, Fifa deem that a poppy is more offensive than a swastika (and, even then, Croatia only had a point knocked off for that incident).
That aside, it'll be a small fine they'll receive IMO. |
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I agree that it will be a fine for breaking the rules and warned as to our future conduct
Wonder what the punishment will be when (if) we do it again I would imagine that it will be a lot more severe |
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Perhaps the team should wear a crucifix, to remember the sacrifice Jesus made to absolve us of our sins around Easter games?
If you allow one, you allow everything. |
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Perhaps the team should wear a crucifix, to remember the sacrifice Jesus made to absolve us of our sins around Easter games?
If you allow one, you allow everything. |
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Cannot form an argument so you result in a personal attack.
The poppy is a political symbol, to remember the soldiers who have died in wars, wars directed by the politics of the time and the command given by the prime minister. Some of those wars were just (WW2 for example) and some unjust and illegal, like the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. To say anything otherwise is going against the facts. There is no harm in the poppy being a political symbol, it doesn't hurt anyone to admit its a political symbol. But that it has no place in football. Just like we would not embroider a crucifix on the shirt. The fact that many gave their lives following the orders of stupid politicians is just another reason to wear the poppy. It's a reminder that we should think long and hard before following our arrogant leaders like sheep. |
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The Royal British Legion is one of the main charities associated with Remembrance Sunday. It explains that the red poppy is an emblem of remembrance and hope. It stresses it is not "blood" red or a sign of support for war and death. Neither should it be seen as a symbol of religion or politics, the charity states this on its website.
http://www.marhammattersonline.co.uk...o-Shoulder.png No support for war and death there. Quote:
The fact that many gave their lives following the orders of stupid politicians is just another reason to wear the poppy. It's a reminder that we should think long and hard before following our arrogant leaders like sheep.
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You can believe that if you want to.
http://www.marhammattersonline.co.uk...o-Shoulder.png No support for war and death there. Or signing up going forward to fight in those wars? |
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