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Old 19-11-2016, 12:13
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You have to laugh. FIFA, that organisation of absolute trust and integrity are taking action over the wearing of poppies. Unbelievable.

There has been no problem in other sports, and no fuss, but FIFA, with all their baggage, and massive issues, decide to act on this. Pathetic.
So before the game, there are soldiers/men and women laying poppy wreaths in the centre of the pitch, someone plays The Last Post and a minutes' silence is observed. Yet Fifa say the players can't wear poppies to respect and remember those who died. Pathetic, and makes no sense
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Old 19-11-2016, 13:39
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So before the game, there are soldiers/men and women laying poppy wreaths in the centre of the pitch, someone plays The Last Post and a minutes' silence is observed. Yet Fifa say the players can't wear poppies to respect and remember those who died. Pathetic, and makes no sense
Should be removed from football altogether.
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Old 19-11-2016, 13:42
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So before the game, there are soldiers/men and women laying poppy wreaths in the centre of the pitch, someone plays The Last Post and a minutes' silence is observed. Yet Fifa say the players can't wear poppies to respect and remember those who died. Pathetic, and makes no sense
It really doesn't, and it is only an issue because of the stupidity, as usual, of FIFA. The ceremony you describe is allowed, so how on earth do they justify banning poppies? It really doesn't make any sense, and all other sports have no problem with it.
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Old 19-11-2016, 15:21
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Should be removed from football altogether.
No it should not be.

If for no other reasons then TV will want to show this sort of thing as it makes very good tv also companies like to be connected with such things so it keeps the sponsor's happy of course there are many other reasons but just on a business side of things these sort of things are important.

Football is more then a bunch of people kicking a football around for a amount of time.

Football has always had a connection to this sort of occasion as a Chelsea fan i am sure you are aware of the game on the 13th November 1945 at the bridge for example (if not Goggle is a very good place to start)
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Old 19-11-2016, 20:27
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Not to mention football played a part in the Christmas Truce of WWI (1914, I think).
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Old 20-11-2016, 03:16
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If that's the sort of interpretation you want to put on the wearing of a poppy, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I've never looked on it like that and I don't know anybody else who does. I don't see it as a glorification of war, in fact quite the opposite. I think it represents a sad loss of human life on all sides of any conflict.
Let us not pretend it is a symbol of remembrance when as part of their marketing campaign they've had a child wear a t-shirt saying Future Soldier.

It is a symbol of propaganda, war and death and support for that.
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Old 20-11-2016, 03:40
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Poppies, and all other political and militaristic symbols should be kept out of sport.

It seems the English, as usual, think they are above the rules though.
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Old 20-11-2016, 04:45
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So before the game, there are soldiers/men and women laying poppy wreaths in the centre of the pitch, someone plays The Last Post and a minutes' silence is observed. Yet Fifa say the players can't wear poppies to respect and remember those who died. Pathetic, and makes no sense
FIFA are saying that that very ceremony is now under investigation ie. soldiers laying wreaths on the pitch, the Last Post being played and poppies being displayed on the big screens and are claiming none of it was authorised.

I can see where they're coming from. All of that is straying very close to the political arena and it's not just the dead of WW1 and WW2 that are being commemorated but those who died in much more contentious circumstances in places like Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Kenya, Malaya, Afghanistan and Iraq. One wonders if any of this stuff should be going on inside a football stadium before a World Cup match.
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Old 20-11-2016, 08:48
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It's a joke. It doesn't happen in golf, snooker, etc

how I feel for conscripted "soldiers" in ww2 and how I feel for paid soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are two very different political issues.

Both are symbolised by the poppy ,

How about leaving memorials to places like the cenotaph and not on the centre circle of a football pitch? It's actually quite sick to see the memory Of ww2 soldiers being turned into a business by the legion and grief porn by football.
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Old 20-11-2016, 10:08
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Poppies, and all other political and militaristic symbols should be kept out of sport.

It seems the English, as usual, think they are above the rules though.
Just England yeah? Made Scotland do it probably.
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Old 20-11-2016, 10:10
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It's a joke. It doesn't happen in golf, snooker, etc

how I feel for conscripted "soldiers" in ww2 and how I feel for paid soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are two very different political issues.

Both are symbolised by the poppy ,

How about leaving memorials to places like the cenotaph and not on the centre circle of a football pitch? It's actually quite sick to see the memory Of ww2 soldiers being turned into a business by the legion and grief porn by football.
That's because there is not the same connection between those two sports as there is between football.

Football and the armed services have always had more of a connection then you would find with many sports (Rugby is also a sport that's had a link with the armed services)
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Old 20-11-2016, 10:12
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That's because there is not the same connection between those two sports as there is between football
A connection?

Most of the players are young foreigners who have nothing to do with uk wars whatsoever.

It's utterly ridiculous.
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Old 20-11-2016, 10:15
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A connection?

Most of the players are young foreigners who have nothing to do with uk wars whatsoever.

It's utterly ridiculous.
What has the players got to do with it?

I am talking about the sport.

Learn your sporting history and it's plain to see
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Old 20-11-2016, 10:32
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Let us not pretend it is a symbol of remembrance when as part of their marketing campaign they've had a child wear a t-shirt saying Future Soldier.

It is a symbol of propaganda, war and death and support for that.
I think being in the Army is reputable occupation that has given many a good life.
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Old 20-11-2016, 10:40
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Just England yeah? Made Scotland do it probably.
I suspect if Scotland weren't playing England they'd have probably gone down the same route as Wales and Northern Ireland and just worn the black armband.

Learn your sporting history and it's plain to see
I hope that that sporting history extends to 1969 and the World Cup qualifying matches between Honduras and El Salvador that triggered a brief but bloody war between the two nations. It is easy to say that it is just a poppy but these rules are laid down for the whole world with its various political and social tensions and not just little old England.
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Old 20-11-2016, 10:57
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I suspect if Scotland weren't playing England they'd have probably gone down the same route as Wales and Northern Ireland and just worn the black armband.



I hope that that sporting history extends to 1969 and the World Cup qualifying matches between Honduras and El Salvador that triggered a brief but bloody war between the two nations. It is easy to say that it is just a poppy but these rules are laid down for the whole world with its various political and social tensions and not just little old England.
Scotland prob would have gone down the black armband route just as Wales and Northern Ireland would have gone down the poppy route if they was playing England.

Of course we have to take notice of the negative history of football as well as the good but football (and in particular the game in England) as had a bond/connection with the armed services as have match going football fans.
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Old 20-11-2016, 11:07
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Of course we have to take notice of the negative history of football as well as the good but football (and in particular the game in England) as had a bond/connection with the armed services as have match going football fans.
Historically yes, the Pals Brigades of the 1st World War etc. In more recent times and amongst younger football fans?

Also worth pointing out again that prior to the start of this century it wasn't deemed necessary to wear poppies on shirts at all.
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Old 20-11-2016, 11:35
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I suspect if Scotland weren't playing England they'd have probably gone down the same route as Wales and Northern Ireland and just worn the black armband.
The same year we had the poppy armband for the Spain game, Scotland wore it against Cyprus. Both games then were friendlies but FIFA don't seem to force the distinction for this ruling.
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:12
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Historically yes, the Pals Brigades of the 1st World War etc. In more recent times and amongst younger football fans?

Also worth pointing out again that prior to the start of this century it wasn't deemed necessary to wear poppies on shirts at all.
Then younger fans need to be educated in the history of the sport. While of course football has changed its important to have a connection to the past and more so when due to many fans having only a TV connection to their clubs and the game otherwise it could turn into no more then a sporting version of rubbish like The X Factor with a pre and post show where people sit in front of their TV's and posting things on Social Media, Football has to be more then that and following a club (and a international side) has to be more then that

I not sure it is necessary but it has a part to play in the sport
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:19
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I think being in the Army is reputable occupation that has given many a good life.
And someone could also argue that people are being paid to kill others in illegal political wars.

It just depends which side you are on.

None of which has anything to do with football whatsoever.
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:22
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And someone could also argue that people are being paid to kill others in illegal political wars.

It just depends which side you are on.

None of which has anything to do with football whatsoever.
You can keep saying this but you are still wrong.

For example with Chelsea, The Chelsea Pensioners are a very important part of Chelsea.
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:24
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And someone could also argue that people are being paid to kill others in illegal political wars.

It just depends which side you are on.

None of which has anything to do with football whatsoever.
How many of all the soldiers we've ever had have killed people in illegal wars?
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:43
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How many of all the soldiers we've ever had have killed people in illegal wars?
how about in non-political wars?

what else should football commemorate? perhaps a cross at easter?
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:44
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how about in non-political wars?

what else should football commemorate? perhaps a cross at easter?
Is there a historic connection between football and this?
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:52
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Is there a historic connection between football and this?
See the glasgow derby
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