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You have to laugh. FIFA, that organisation of absolute trust and integrity are taking action over the wearing of poppies. Unbelievable. There has been no problem in other sports, and no fuss, but FIFA, with all their baggage, and massive issues, decide to act on this. Pathetic.
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So before the game, there are soldiers/men and women laying poppy wreaths in the centre of the pitch, someone plays The Last Post and a minutes' silence is observed. Yet Fifa say the players can't wear poppies to respect and remember those who died. Pathetic, and makes no sense
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So before the game, there are soldiers/men and women laying poppy wreaths in the centre of the pitch, someone plays The Last Post and a minutes' silence is observed. Yet Fifa say the players can't wear poppies to respect and remember those who died. Pathetic, and makes no sense
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Should be removed from football altogether.
If for no other reasons then TV will want to show this sort of thing as it makes very good tv also companies like to be connected with such things so it keeps the sponsor's happy of course there are many other reasons but just on a business side of things these sort of things are important. Football is more then a bunch of people kicking a football around for a amount of time. Football has always had a connection to this sort of occasion as a Chelsea fan i am sure you are aware of the game on the 13th November 1945 at the bridge for example (if not Goggle is a very good place to start) |
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Not to mention football played a part in the Christmas Truce of WWI (1914, I think).
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If that's the sort of interpretation you want to put on the wearing of a poppy, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I've never looked on it like that and I don't know anybody else who does. I don't see it as a glorification of war, in fact quite the opposite. I think it represents a sad loss of human life on all sides of any conflict.
It is a symbol of propaganda, war and death and support for that. |
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Poppies, and all other political and militaristic symbols should be kept out of sport.
It seems the English, as usual, think they are above the rules though. |
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So before the game, there are soldiers/men and women laying poppy wreaths in the centre of the pitch, someone plays The Last Post and a minutes' silence is observed. Yet Fifa say the players can't wear poppies to respect and remember those who died. Pathetic, and makes no sense
![]() I can see where they're coming from. All of that is straying very close to the political arena and it's not just the dead of WW1 and WW2 that are being commemorated but those who died in much more contentious circumstances in places like Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Kenya, Malaya, Afghanistan and Iraq. One wonders if any of this stuff should be going on inside a football stadium before a World Cup match. |
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It's a joke. It doesn't happen in golf, snooker, etc
how I feel for conscripted "soldiers" in ww2 and how I feel for paid soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are two very different political issues. Both are symbolised by the poppy , How about leaving memorials to places like the cenotaph and not on the centre circle of a football pitch? It's actually quite sick to see the memory Of ww2 soldiers being turned into a business by the legion and grief porn by football. |
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Poppies, and all other political and militaristic symbols should be kept out of sport.
It seems the English, as usual, think they are above the rules though. |
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It's a joke. It doesn't happen in golf, snooker, etc
how I feel for conscripted "soldiers" in ww2 and how I feel for paid soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are two very different political issues. Both are symbolised by the poppy , How about leaving memorials to places like the cenotaph and not on the centre circle of a football pitch? It's actually quite sick to see the memory Of ww2 soldiers being turned into a business by the legion and grief porn by football. Football and the armed services have always had more of a connection then you would find with many sports (Rugby is also a sport that's had a link with the armed services) |
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That's because there is not the same connection between those two sports as there is between football
Most of the players are young foreigners who have nothing to do with uk wars whatsoever. It's utterly ridiculous. |
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A connection?
Most of the players are young foreigners who have nothing to do with uk wars whatsoever. It's utterly ridiculous. I am talking about the sport. Learn your sporting history and it's plain to see |
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Let us not pretend it is a symbol of remembrance when as part of their marketing campaign they've had a child wear a t-shirt saying Future Soldier.
It is a symbol of propaganda, war and death and support for that. |
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Just England yeah? Made Scotland do it probably.
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Learn your sporting history and it's plain to see
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I suspect if Scotland weren't playing England they'd have probably gone down the same route as Wales and Northern Ireland and just worn the black armband.
I hope that that sporting history extends to 1969 and the World Cup qualifying matches between Honduras and El Salvador that triggered a brief but bloody war between the two nations. It is easy to say that it is just a poppy but these rules are laid down for the whole world with its various political and social tensions and not just little old England. Of course we have to take notice of the negative history of football as well as the good but football (and in particular the game in England) as had a bond/connection with the armed services as have match going football fans. |
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Of course we have to take notice of the negative history of football as well as the good but football (and in particular the game in England) as had a bond/connection with the armed services as have match going football fans.
Also worth pointing out again that prior to the start of this century it wasn't deemed necessary to wear poppies on shirts at all. |
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I suspect if Scotland weren't playing England they'd have probably gone down the same route as Wales and Northern Ireland and just worn the black armband.
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Historically yes, the Pals Brigades of the 1st World War etc. In more recent times and amongst younger football fans?
Also worth pointing out again that prior to the start of this century it wasn't deemed necessary to wear poppies on shirts at all. I not sure it is necessary but it has a part to play in the sport |
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I think being in the Army is reputable occupation that has given many a good life.
It just depends which side you are on. None of which has anything to do with football whatsoever. |
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And someone could also argue that people are being paid to kill others in illegal political wars.
It just depends which side you are on. None of which has anything to do with football whatsoever. For example with Chelsea, The Chelsea Pensioners are a very important part of Chelsea. |
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And someone could also argue that people are being paid to kill others in illegal political wars.
It just depends which side you are on. None of which has anything to do with football whatsoever. |
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How many of all the soldiers we've ever had have killed people in illegal wars?
what else should football commemorate? perhaps a cross at easter? |
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how about in non-political wars?
what else should football commemorate? perhaps a cross at easter? |
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Is there a historic connection between football and this?
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