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From the picture it is clear that Finn turns down Robert's pleas even though Robert is wearing
a) his purple patterned shirt
b) his sexy Italian leather jacket
c) his quiffy hair

Obviously Finn has lost his soul and is doomed to the same circle of the Inferno as mad Emma.
I expect to be upset by certain characters,(Zac, Cain, Liv, Kerry, whining Lisa etc etc) but I have become very disappointed in "Finn",he has always been insecure, unsure of himself and rather lonely, but he has become a conniving clingy mummy's boy, and desperate rather than tragic. He will try to make Kasim "jealous", a human "quality" I despise and what for? - Kasim by his own admission, isn't interested in Finn, so how can you make somebody jealous when they are unconcerned?, and he is involving third parties in his schemes. A bit like "Christian and Roxy" years ago, it's a shame that Finn a gay lad spends so much time with straight women. Time for Mr. Gill's P45, I fear: he will probably go do-lally when he finally discovers what Emma did to James.

One final point about the Robert/Rebecca friendship. Yes she kissed him and he told her he wasn't interested, but they remain friends. Many years ago, on a cold December night Aaron tried to kiss Adam, and was rebuffed. A & A have remained close friends, so we have to give R & R the benefit of the doubt too. Whereas A & A are friends for totally "pure" reasons, I suspect R & R remain pals for financial motives, and that is all there is to it.
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I expect to be upset by certain characters,(Zac, Cain, Liv, Kerry, whining Lisa etc etc) but I have become very disappointed in "Finn",he has always been insecure, unsure of himself and rather lonely, but he has become a conniving clingy mummy's boy, and desperate rather than tragic. He will try to make Kasim "jealous", a human "quality" I despise and what for? - Kasim by his own admission, isn't interested in Finn, so how can you make somebody jealous when they are unconcerned?, and he is involving third parties in his schemes. A bit like "Christian and Roxy" years ago, it's a shame that Finn a gay lad spends so much time with straight women. Time for Mr. Gill's P45, I fear: he will probably go do-lally when he finally discovers what Emma did to James.
I'm with you on this. I used to think Finn would develop into an interesting character but I have written him off, even before the upcoming dramas.
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One final point about the Robert/Rebecca friendship. Yes she kissed him and he told her he wasn't interested, but they remain friends. Many years ago, on a cold December night Aaron tried to kiss Adam, and was rebuffed. A & A have remained close friends, so we have to give R & R the benefit of the doubt too. Whereas A & A are friends for totally "pure" reasons, I suspect R & R remain pals for financial motives, and that is all there is to it.
I don't think the cases are parallel. Adam is straight and that is his nature; it is relatively easy for Aaron to accept that he will never take the place of a woman in Adam's life and can therefore settle for a platonic friendship. Robert is bi and the only reason he is not available for Bex is because of his love for Aaron. Aaron could fall under a bus tomorrow, or Robert could fall out of love with him, and Robert would become available. Therefore her hanging around inevitably leads to suspicions she is waiting for, or even engineering, Aaron's removal. If she were a right-thinking person she would move away.
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I know you are a big fan of Roberts but this analysis of him and this storyline is just not right.

You keep insisting that he has had a personality transplant. How?

Because he is friends with Rebecca after what she did in the pub? Well he has also proven to be very loyal to people he cares about. He obv cares for her as he was very understanding when she tried to blackmail him. He enjoys spending time with her. Maybe he even feels guilty for leading her on.

Or is it because he can't sense that aaron is an emotional wreck atm? This is also not new. Many times in their relationship he has been insensitive to Aaron's feelings. A lot of that was during the affair but also recently during Gordon's trial, they went on a date and he kept talking about Andy & Chrissie. Robert often has this kind of tunnel vision.

I agree there are elements of this story that are plotty. But the same can be said for any storyline and i'm happy to push them aside because of the emotional payoff we get. And i'm sure we will get that with this.

Both Aaron and Robert are making matters worse for themselves. Aaron is not communicating and burying his feeling until he will quite literally explode. Robert is lying cause he doesn't want to cause more drama. Ultimately though the reasons behind both of their actions is because they love eachother
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We will have to see how it all goes down but i'm very uneasy about Robert lying about having a drink with Rebecca. It doesn't look good at all and i just don't like it. It's the same with Robert pretty much challenging Aaron to have a problem with him spending a night away with Rebecca. I didn't like that at all because it was almost forcing him not to have a problem with it or else look unreasonable and cause a massive problem and it put Aaron in a difficult and upsetting situation that ultimately made him make the Manchester thing up.

I just don't really get why Rebecca is such a difficult thing for Robert to give up or compromise over...even when it's causing his fiance stress and upset, when it's causing him to lie, and even when it ultimately gets his fiance arrested and facing prison because it's effecting him that bad. Why is that relationship seemingly so important and indestructible?

The thing that worries me as well is that this whole thing is going to be glossed over. It all comes to a head with an argument and crisis talks but then in come the police to arrest Aaron and suddenly none of that matters because it all goes off in a new direction where they could lose each other so it's just full steam ahead with the wedding. So actually are any of these issues actually going to be sorted? Or are they just setting up for this relationship and marriage to fail?

As you can probably tell...i'm struggling.
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I don't think the cases are parallel. Adam is straight and that is his nature; it is relatively easy for Aaron to accept that he will never take the place of a woman in Adam's life and can therefore settle for a platonic friendship. Robert is bi and the only reason he is not available for Bex is because of his love for Aaron. Aaron could fall under a bus tomorrow, or Robert could fall out of love with him, and Robert would become available. Therefore her hanging around inevitably leads to suspicions she is waiting for, or even engineering, Aaron's removal. If she were a right-thinking person she would move away.
More than that she's shown she's willing to try and break them up if she thinks she can get away with it so while she seems to be playing nice these days and she may even be genuine, I can't fault Aaron for being wary.
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With all due respect, I suspect that Eastenders already has this years awards in the bag. New producer (from the unlikely source of The Archers!), and very strong performances from the actors who play the parts of "Phil", for his illness and battle with the bottle, "Ben" for his performances following the death of his boyfriend, and "Lee" for his battle with depression and descent into crime. I am not a fan of EE and certainly not of "Phil", but these are hard-hitting stories, and they have added a new one to the brew this week with the sudden widowhood of "Jack", and a double drowning.

I say that with no pleasure but I don't think overall Emmerdale has been as strong in 2016.
Like you, I don't watch Eastenders. I gave up on it years ago because I became tired of the negative tones that seemed to dominate most storylines. I will occasionally watch an episode or 2 particularly when my family are visiting as they were over Christmas.

I was hugely impressed with the quality of the product being regularly delivered by Eastenders. They easily deserve to win the bulk of TV awards.
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More than that she's shown she's willing to try and break them up if she thinks she can get away with it so while she seems to be playing nice these days and she may even be genuine, I can't fault Aaron for being wary.
I guess Robert has forgotten all that happened, just a few short weeks ago, between him, Aaron and Rebecca.

But that really doesn't matter. All that matters is that Rebecca, Robert and whoever else is required play their parts in safely delivering Aaron into the hands of the police and into another dark and emotionally storyline. Emmerdale need Danny Miller to win those awards and he really is their best chance. The fact that this is a ridiculously silly and unbelievable storyline really doesn't matter.
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I know you are a big fan of Roberts but this analysis of him and this storyline is just not right.

You keep insisting that he has had a personality transplant. How?

Because he is friends with Rebecca after what she did in the pub? Well he has also proven to be very loyal to people he cares about. He obv cares for her as he was very understanding when she tried to blackmail him. He enjoys spending time with her. Maybe he even feels guilty for leading her on.

Or is it because he can't sense that aaron is an emotional wreck atm? This is also not new. Many times in their relationship he has been insensitive to Aaron's feelings. A lot of that was during the affair but also recently during Gordon's trial, they went on a date and he kept talking about Andy & Chrissie. Robert often has this kind of tunnel vision.

I agree there are elements of this story that are plotty. But the same can be said for any storyline and i'm happy to push them aside because of the emotional payoff we get. And i'm sure we will get that with this.

Both Aaron and Robert are making matters worse for themselves. Aaron is not communicating and burying his feeling until he will quite literally explode. Robert is lying cause he doesn't want to cause more drama. Ultimately though the reasons behind both of their actions is because they love eachother
Hi Poppys.

I understand and respect what you are saying. I just disagree and totally stand by my comments about Robert being given yet another personality transplant in the interests of silly and unbelievable storylines for other characters. And not for the first time.

I am mainly a Robert Sugden fan and have been since the days of the famous (and very well written and creative) Sugden triangle storyline and I am sick at the way the character is being presently treated.

I don't see the point in my endlessly making the same points so I will just say something about the BIB. The emotional payoff could have been achieved by other means such as a new and fresh storyline for Aaron and Robert. The writers should have been creative for a change, instead of serving up more of their 'rinse and repeat' rubbish (something that they have been doing right across the village for the last couple of years with the exception of just a few storylines).

Nor am I prepared to be happy just because Aaron and Robert continue to be on my on TV screen. Yes, I want to see them as much as possible but I want them to have good and realistic storylines that move forward and are consistent with their history and their characters.
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We will have to see how it all goes down but i'm very uneasy about Robert lying about having a drink with Rebecca. It doesn't look good at all and i just don't like it. It's the same with Robert pretty much challenging Aaron to have a problem with him spending a night away with Rebecca. I didn't like that at all because it was almost forcing him not to have a problem with it or else look unreasonable and cause a massive problem and it put Aaron in a difficult and upsetting situation that ultimately made him make the Manchester thing up.

I just don't really get why Rebecca is such a difficult thing for Robert to give up or compromise over...even when it's causing his fiance stress and upset, when it's causing him to lie, and even when it ultimately gets his fiance arrested and facing prison because it's effecting him that bad. Why is that relationship seemingly so important and indestructible?

The thing that worries me as well is that this whole thing is going to be glossed over. It all comes to a head with an argument and crisis talks but then in come the police to arrest Aaron and suddenly none of that matters because it all goes off in a new direction where they could lose each other so it's just full steam ahead with the wedding. So actually are any of these issues actually going to be sorted? Or are they just setting up for this relationship and marriage to fail?

As you can probably tell...i'm struggling.
I have the same problem with all this.. I'm really struggling to understand why Robert seems to be oblivious to Aaron having an real issue with his friendship with Bex.. how does he not see that it's perfectly understandable for Aaron to feel this way about them spending so much time together considering the circumstances.

Although Robert ment well with the surprise, him acting like he didn't care & using Bex as an excuse for the birthday meal was clearly going to set worries off in Aaron's mind & then we've got him lying to him about working when he's not.. so imo Robert is playing into his insecurities & is allowing this to damage their relationship rather than looking at things from Aaron's POV.

I'm also hoping that the situation won't be dropped but I can see that happening when we go from this.. to them having the problem of Aaron's arrest. I wonder how both situations get dealt with. I do hope all this jealousy stuff hasn't just been a big plot for Aaron to end up getting himself into that much mess that he's arrested & the jealousy stuff to be suddenly dropped as that was never really the story in the lead up to the wedding & him facing prison is.
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I have the same problem with all this.. I'm really struggling to understand why Robert seems to be oblivious to Aaron having an real issue with his friendship with Bex.. how does he not see that it's perfectly understandable for Aaron to feel this way about them spending so much time together considering the circumstances.

Although Robert ment well with the surprise, him acting like he didn't care & using Bex as an excuse for the birthday meal was clearly going to set worries off in Aaron's mind & then we've got him lying to him about working when he's not.. so imo Robert is playing into his insecurities & is allowing this to damage their relationship rather than looking at things from Aaron's POV.

I'm also hoping that the situation won't be dropped but I can see that happening when we go from this.. to them having the problem of Aaron's arrest. I wonder how both situations get dealt with. I do hope all this jealousy stuff hasn't just been a big plot for Aaron to end up getting himself into that much mess that he's arrested & the jealousy stuff to be suddenly dropped as that was never really the story in the lead up to the wedding & him facing prison is.
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Like you, I don't watch Eastenders. I gave up on it years ago because I became tired of the negative tones that seemed to dominate most storylines. I will occasionally watch an episode or 2 particularly when my family are visiting as they were over Christmas.

I was hugely impressed with the quality of the product being regularly delivered by Eastenders. They easily deserve to win the bulk of TV awards.
I also don't regularly watch Easties (can only really afford the time for one soap at a time and it's Emmerdale now) but have been massively impressed with the episodes I have caught over the past few months = a real focus on character over plot and lots of small, quiet, realistic storylines building up slowly so that when something big happens (as inevitably it has to - it IS a soap) you actually CARE.

BUT from some of the threads I've read on here the approach hasn't been universally welcomed with some people being turned off because its slow and boring, which just goes to prove that you can't please everyone all the time!!
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Hi guys. I loved last night episode, could Robert actually love Aaron anymore. I did think he was harsh when he told Aaron about having to do a business meeting overnight with Rebecca of course Aaron would have a problem with that. But I think that was only because Robert was hurt Aaron didn't trust him and had ruined the suprise. I think he would have explained in a more gentler way. Plus we saw how quickly he dropped that when Aaron said he had organised a weekend away. How sad at the end with Aaron, then having to book a trip. Hmm not sure I like the new spoilers why does Robert lie about having a drink with Rebecca at Home Farm. What are Rebecca actual intentions. I would quite like Robert to talk to her after Aaron been arrested and say how it's made him think and realise and Rebecca be all eager for Robert to turn round and say it's just how much he loves Aaron and wants to marry him. Do you think the Robert and Rebecca interaction will stop after week 3? I know Kirstenn says we have nothing to worry about and all this week does is serve to make Robert realise how much he loves Aaron. I think this jealousy is a plot device for Aaron bigger issues. Someone asked Maxine on twitter if Aaron jealousy was the tip of the iceberg and she replied Yes Aaron finds it difficult to be loved because of his past. Tragic really. So sad.
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Hi guys. I loved last night episode, could Robert actually love Aaron anymore. I did think he was harsh when he told Aaron about having to do a business meeting overnight with Rebecca of course Aaron would have a problem with that. But I think that was only because Robert was hurt Aaron didn't trust him and had ruined the suprise. I think he would have explained in a more gentler way. Plus we saw how quickly he dropped that when Aaron said he had organised a weekend away. How sad at the end with Aaron, then having to book a trip. Hmm not sure I like the new spoilers why does Robert lie about having a drink with Rebecca at Home Farm. What are Rebecca actual intentions. I would quite like Robert to talk to her after Aaron been arrested and say how it's made him think and realise and Rebecca be all eager for Robert to turn round and say it's just how much he loves Aaron and wants to marry him. Do you think the Robert and Rebecca interaction will stop after week 3? I know Kirstenn says we have nothing to worry about and all this week does is serve to make Robert realise how much he loves Aaron. I think this jealousy is a plot device for Aaron bigger issues. Someone asked Maxine on twitter if Aaron jealousy was the tip of the iceberg and she replied Yes Aaron finds it difficult to be loved because of his past. Tragic really. So sad.
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Hi guys. I loved last night episode, could Robert actually love Aaron anymore. I did think he was harsh when he told Aaron about having to do a business meeting overnight with Rebecca of course Aaron would have a problem with that. But I think that was only because Robert was hurt Aaron didn't trust him and had ruined the suprise. I think he would have explained in a more gentler way. Plus we saw how quickly he dropped that when Aaron said he had organised a weekend away. How sad at the end with Aaron, then having to book a trip. Hmm not sure I like the new spoilers why does Robert lie about having a drink with Rebecca at Home Farm. What are Rebecca actual intentions. I would quite like Robert to talk to her after Aaron been arrested and say how it's made him think and realise and Rebecca be all eager for Robert to turn round and say it's just how much he loves Aaron and wants to marry him. Do you think the Robert and Rebecca interaction will stop after week 3? I know Kirstenn says we have nothing to worry about and all this week does is serve to make Robert realise how much he loves Aaron. I think this jealousy is a plot device for Aaron bigger issues. Someone asked Maxine on twitter if Aaron jealousy was the tip of the iceberg and she replied Yes Aaron finds it difficult to be loved because of his past. Tragic really. So sad.
Yes i saw that tweet Maxine made. Yes It is pretty sad. Aaron really does need some professionnal help. I hope We Will hear that he Will get It.

As for Becky i really wish They would find another story for her to get involved. Because She is totally using no purpose.
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I hope Maxine's reply means that the jealousy stuff isn't a plot & is dealt with properly.. surely Aaron becoming violent through his insecurities can't just be brushed to one side.

I'm not sure how the insecuritie stuff can realistically be resolved before the wedding.. afew reassuring words from Robert won't just solve things as it clearly isn't helping anything now. Aaron won't be able to just switch it all off in time for the wedding.. will it end up with Robert taking a back seating from Bex & deciding it's not good for him & Aaron? Idk. But I'm intrigued to where things go after week 3.
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not sure if everyone else already spotted this and i was just slow, but i've just seen it pointed out that the twitter message Isobel Steele sent to Danny is the same thing Liv said to Aaron last night.

You're only 26,you've got your whole life behind you

just replace 26 with 25
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not sure if everyone else already spotted this and i was just slow, but i've just seen it pointed out that the twitter message Isobel Steele sent to Danny is the same thing Liv said to Aaron last night.

You're only 26,you've got your whole life behind you

just replace 26 with 25
This is cute
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I hope Maxine's reply means that the jealousy stuff isn't a plot & is dealt with properly.. surely Aaron becoming violent through his insecurities can't just be brushed to one side.

I'm not sure how the insecuritie stuff can realistically be resolved before the wedding.. afew reassuring words from Robert won't just solve things as it clearly isn't helping anything now. Aaron won't be able to just switch it all off in time for the wedding.. will it end up with Robert taking a back seating from Bex & deciding it's not good for him & Aaron? Idk. But I'm intrigued to where things go after week 3.
Amy do you know where the Robert Bex stuff goes after week 3 do they still continue to work together once Robert realised how much this is effecting Aaron. I hope they deal with Aaron issues. Because I don't actually think Robert could say anymore to reassure him.
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I feel like the wedding should be postponed really. It might all make sense on screen but as it stands i don't know how i can really invest in the idea of them getting married when their are clearly so many issues and problems in their relationship and issues for Aaron to overcome for it to be a good idea. I don't mean by that i don't want them together, of course i do, and i also want them to get married, but this happening within a couple of months just seems way to soon at this point. They really need a period of being settled again before any wedding. I hate i feel this way

I can only hope what's on screen changes my mind and it all works out.
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Hi guys. I loved last night episode, could Robert actually love Aaron anymore. I did think he was harsh when he told Aaron about having to do a business meeting overnight with Rebecca of course Aaron would have a problem with that. But I think that was only because Robert was hurt Aaron didn't trust him and had ruined the suprise. I think he would have explained in a more gentler way. Plus we saw how quickly he dropped that when Aaron said he had organised a weekend away. How sad at the end with Aaron, then having to book a trip. Hmm not sure I like the new spoilers why does Robert lie about having a drink with Rebecca at Home Farm. What are Rebecca actual intentions. I would quite like Robert to talk to her after Aaron been arrested and say how it's made him think and realise and Rebecca be all eager for Robert to turn round and say it's just how much he loves Aaron and wants to marry him. Do you think the Robert and Rebecca interaction will stop after week 3? I know Kirstenn says we have nothing to worry about and all this week does is serve to make Robert realise how much he loves Aaron. I think this jealousy is a plot device for Aaron bigger issues. Someone asked Maxine on twitter if Aaron jealousy was the tip of the iceberg and she replied Yes Aaron finds it difficult to be loved because of his past. Tragic really. So sad.
Morning guys!

I like your post. I've seen the scenes again several times and as you said:

1) Robert is so in love! God and he looked hot last night!

2) I don't like how he spoke to Aaron about trust but for me was because he was disappointed because Aaron knew the surprise

3) I didn't like Chas, what's wrong with her?! One day calls Rob love and yesterday looks like she wanted to get ride of Rob.

4) Becky....well what more can I say about her?...let me think....As I said yesterday without moving a finger she gets our boys to fight. What are her actual intentions? I don't know but we know in February she is working with Robert again. For me she is now on the prowl being a good girl and when she sees an opportunity she will try to take advantage of it. Probably I'm wrong but you know how I feel about her.

5) Poor Aaron.... I feel really bad for him. As you said is so sad He deserves to be very happy but I do not know if he would ever be really happy.
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Amy do you know where the Robert Bex stuff goes after week 3 do they still continue to work together once Robert realised how much this is effecting Aaron. I hope they deal with Aaron issues. Because I don't actually think Robert could say anymore to reassure him.
I don't know anything after week 3 I'm afraid.. I may do some fishing

No Robert can't say anymore to help matters but maybe just see that his action's in the situation that Aaron's feeling jealous about isn't that great.
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I hope Maxine's reply means that the jealousy stuff isn't a plot & is dealt with properly.. surely Aaron becoming violent through his insecurities can't just be brushed to one side.

I'm not sure how the insecuritie stuff can realistically be resolved before the wedding.. afew reassuring words from Robert won't just solve things as it clearly isn't helping anything now. Aaron won't be able to just switch it all off in time for the wedding.. will it end up with Robert taking a back seating from Bex & deciding it's not good for him & Aaron? Idk. But I'm intrigued to where things go after week 3.
Morning guys!

I like your post. I've seen the scenes again several times and as you said:

1) Robert is so in love! God and he looked hot last night!

2) I don't like how he spoke to Aaron about trust but for me was because he was disappointed because Aaron knew the surprise

3) I didn't like Chas, what's wrong with her?! One day calls Rob love and yesterday looks like she wanted to get ride of Rob.

4) Becky....well what more can I say about her?...let me think....As I said yesterday without moving a finger she gets our boys to fight. What are her actual intentions? I don't know but we know in February she is working with Robert again. For me she is now on the prowl being a good girl and when she sees an opportunity she will try to take advantage of it. Probably I'm wrong but you know how I feel about her.

5) Poor Aaron.... I feel really bad for him. As you said is so sad He deserves to be very happy but I do not know if he would ever be really happy.
Oh do we know for sure Robert and Rebecca are still working together when will it end sigh. Unless the jealousy is just the tip and after Aaron arrest he is working on his feelings and not so bothered about Robert and Rebecca friendship. Though I don't trust Rebecca at all. I can't see how Robron relationship can survive if Aaron is so bothered about Rebecca and Robert friendship. Maybe Robert needs to know he trusts him.
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Morning guys!

I like your post. I've seen the scenes again several times and as you said:

1) Robert is so in love! God and he looked hot last night!

2) I don't like how he spoke to Aaron about trust but for me was because he was disappointed because Aaron knew the surprise

3) I didn't like Chas, what's wrong with her?! One day calls Rob love and yesterday looks like she wanted to get ride of Rob.

4) Becky....well what more can I say about her?...let me think....As I said yesterday without moving a finger she gets our boys to fight. What are her actual intentions? I don't know but we know in February she is working with Robert again. For me she is now on the prowl being a good girl and when she sees an opportunity she will try to take advantage of it. Probably I'm wrong but you know how I feel about her.

5) Poor Aaron.... I feel really bad for him. As you said is so sad He deserves to be very happy but I do not know if he would ever be really happy.
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I don't know anything after week 3 I'm afraid.. I may do some fishing

No Robert can't say anymore to help matters but maybe just see that his action's in the situation that Aaron's feeling jealous about isn't that great.
Aww thanks hun. Yes Robert actions are not helping. Lying especially. I just intrigued to where it goes. I have to say I loathe those pictures of Rebecca and Robert at Home Farm. I dont why as they are innocent. But is she going to witness Robert laying into Aaron and their row. Oh awful. I know Aaron gets arrested and into trouble which is terrible but at least it makes Robert realise how much he loves him and makes him more determined to marry Aaron. Though please please when are we going to get jealous Robert.
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