I think you've misunderstood the point here. It would be a cheaper car than a more expensive one, not a bike instead of a car.

We were saying you can get by (very well, I might add) with a cheaper phone. It's still a phone though, not two cups and a bit of string as you'd be presumably suggesting given your other examples.

Nope, how would 2 cups and a piece of string work to make a call over 2 miles?

The car-bike-walk would all get you to your destination 2 miles away, just slower and costing less.

Not everyone wants a cheap sh*tty low cost Chinese phone with very little little local backup, and no one should be criticising the person wanting a Samsung S7 rather than making do with a Huawei or Elephone...

People have been missing the key word here. It is ONLY £700 or ONLY £50 per month. That means that everyone can afford to be cool for peanuts!

Have to say I am quite impressed by people who run their lives with their hand held computers (aka smartphone) and cannot survive without it. Just wish that the techno willy wavers would keep it in their pockets a bit more.

I am not sure anyone is saying someone shouldn't buy an expensive phone. Just that they don't need one, any more than a luxury car, £800 jackets etc.

The point being, they'll all do the same job. Okay, some cheap clothes may fall apart. Some won't and be made of the same quality textiles, just without the extra money for a label.

People should be informed enough to make good decisions, which may not be to buy a £50 Android smartphone that never gets an update, nor to buy a £1300 Porsche Design smartphone. There's plenty in between.

Look at Huawei/Honor, where support has been excellent and the company continues to promise support. Nougat is now about to roll out on a number of phones from Honor and Huawei, and many of these are far cheaper than Samsung, Sony, Apple etc.

This sounds pretty much like exactly that sentiment...


What gives him the right to decide a person has no sense because they want to buy an S7 or an iPhone 7?

I can use the same apps on my Nexus 4 phone as I can on my Nexus 7 tablet and no doubt there are music apps on that platform tat will do the same thing as what you have on IOS.


Most people do not buy phones or tablets to resell them, if that was the case then there would not be people with a load of phones stuck in a drawer.

My Nexus 4 is in perfect condition, flipping good really fro it's age, I have seen newer iphones with smashed screens, they seem to be a bit fragile.


No, I am not, but I think you are taking this as I have something against the Iphone because it is an expensive phone, I do not like the Iphone, but not because of the price, but because I think IOS is awful, but that is just my preference.

I think all expensive phones be them from Samsung, Apple or any other company is a swizz, They put the price up and people think they are getting something so great and yet really and truly none of them are really worth the cost.



Not saying that sometimes spending more money on some products is worth while, I do not buy my clothes from Primark, because they do not wash that well, but there is no way I would pay over a hundred quid for a polo shirt even if I had money to burn. But I also think a £5 polo shirt is a bit cheap.

People can buy what they like, well kind off, if they are working and earning their money, then it is up to them what they buy and how much they spend, if they are not working and getting money from benefits and spend £700 on a Iphone or any phone for that matter and then moan because they have no money to pay their bills that is another thing.

And then they moan they can not afford their energy or food.
Like those who spend a fortune on scratch cards every week and then complain they have no money.

Agree with you here, like people walking down the street glued to their phones and not looking where they are going or those riding bikes and using phones.

i was in town today and having coffee with a friend of mine and almost everyone was using their phones and not talking to each. What is the point of going out for a coffee with friends and then have your head stuck in a phone.
i used my phone twice while out, once to answer a phone call and another time to look at a text.

i do not know what people would do if the phone networks went down for a week of so.

I cant imagine spending £700 on a phone.

£700 isn't enough for a lot of the latest ones, and I'm sure we'll be nudging that bit closer to a grand in 2017.

Why does this thread still exist? No one is going to agree with each other and it's just turning into a cheap tit for tat exchange with points that no one has firm evidence for and full of non-constructive opinions.

Welcome to DS!

Every now and then someone decides they either cannot afford or are unwilling to pay the cost of an iPhone. The way they justify that decision is to try and tell all the highly satisfied iPhone owners that they have wasted their money.

It's been happening on here for years.

LOL, yeah and what is wrong with that?

If all threads was stop because people do not agree then forums like DS would die.
People can disagree, it is the way things are.
My mate yesterday asked me why I did not have a Poppy, him being ex-military did not like it because I told him I did not want to wear one, we had a discussion about it and that was it.
He did not go stamping around because I did not agree with his views.

Nor me top be honest, even if I was a millionaire, maybe it is because I just see a mobile phone as something I use to call people.

Nor could I but alas for the first time I have bought a top end phone. I spent £699 on an iPhone 7 and it is in my opinion money well spent as I will use this for everything and being an iPhone I expect it to last 3 or 4 years as Apple support their phones for far longer than other makes.

that's fantastic. but i said "when your 5 year old nexus model starts running the same IOS music apps i can play on my ipad as my iphone, let me know"

bottom line is your phone and tablet won't play specific apps. and in the music world, there is more IOS integration than android, especially in the professional market


prove it. what facts and figures have you looked at to come to this conclusion?

regardless of that, many people will resell their old products once they have upgraded to new ones, but the main point is that apple devices typically have a higher resale value than android ones, and many people factor that in whilst making a purchase. i know i can upgrade to a new model and sell my old one and get a good price back, so the cost of upgrading taking that into consideration can be quite reasonable. so therefore i can have new technology, and the specific items i want, and the overall cost of running/owning can be comparable to android devices, and in some instances it can work out cheaper. and many people do that, evidenced if you look in various technology websites and forums and on ebay



i've never had a smashed screen, it depends on if you look after your device or not. i also have insurance so if something happened i would get a brand new model. some people will buy smashed screen models on the cheap as they can still be used. if you broke your screen it would look a bit smashed too. typically iphones have a good build quality whereas the cheaper android models have a lesser quality build. that's partly where the money goes. my iphone and ipad have a pretty solid metal back, typically cheaper phones and tablets are made from plastic


well that's the way you are coming across. personally i think IOS is a far better mobile OS than android, and i've been using it since the first iphone came out. i have android devices too and it's clear it's a cheap copy of IOS and due to the huge variance of products and different versions of android you don't get the same consistency across products, and personally i think it's nowhere near as good to use as IOS. again others share similar opinions which you may see if you read technology forums. and its partly for that reason that i stick with the iphone as to date i've not seen anything on android phones to make me want to change, howeve i remain open minded about it

you say IOS is awful, but how many IOS products have you owned and for how long, just to give us an idea of how much actual real life day to day usage you have as a comparisson? i get the idea that with your comments and old nexus product that you haven't much recent real world experence. right now i'm using an android device whilst my IOS devices aren't being used, so i have a lot of regular use of both


how do you define "expensive" in relation to phones? how many phones have you owned that you consider "expensive" and how long did you own each.

i get the impression you haven't owned any such phones and therefore haven't had any real world experience with them in order to judge their true worth

if that's the case, what makes you think they are a swizz and not worth the cost if you haven't actually owned one to find out for yourself?

perhaps it's more a case that some products aren't suited to your needs and funds, whilst others are

it does sound like some element of jealousy and sour grapes however if you are posting so much on a thread about a phone you don't actually own, and you don't own any of the previous models either. do you post moaning about BMW's and mercedes cars and tell everyone you have a nice skoda?



but if that's their choice with their money, what does it have to do with you? you aren't paying for it

smartphones are portable computers that do far more than making phone calls. in fact many people will use them for hours each day and never make or take any calls, instead communicating with messenger programs, playing music, looking online and playing games. the more powerful the phone, the better these things perform. the bigger the screen the easier it is to see. the better/bigger phones typically cost more money. if you just want to text and make phone calls you can buy a phone for under £20 from argos and phone people on their iphone 7's who refuse to answer calls from you as they prefer to message instead, but as you don't have facebook messenger or whatsapp on your crappy argos £20 phone they don't bother instead

Somewhere along the price increase graph for portable/wearable devices you start paying more for better bling than for better technology. There is a long and honourable history of this with very expensive mens mechanical watches. Jet black iPhones are certainly in the same category but at least buyers of mechanical watches can hope their value as collectable items will increase with time.

This thread seems to be evenly divided between those who would not be seen dead buying bling and those who would rather be dead than agree they have bought bling.

Whoah there. That's proper fighting talk. I'll defend my Skoda to the death...

Now that is a a different thing, if you are going to keep the phone for a number of years then it could well be worth the money, 4 years is about £175 a year, still not great, but better than keeping it for two years and then changing.

You are correct, Apple do support their phones longer than other manufactures, not that I have had a problem with my Nexus, ok so Google is not updating it now, but it do not stop it working.

I suppose the difference is I do not use my phone for everything, to be honest i am a bad advert for smart phones, the most I do is make and take calls and text. I will now and again take a photo and i do have a peak on facebook, but only if I get a message from someone.

i do use spotify now on it and listen to music while I am walking around, but that is about it, location is always switch off.
TBH, if i could have a phone that just used spotify, make calls and text that would do me.

Really, and what professional would use a tablet or a phone to produce music? Great for fun no doubt, but getting audio out of these devices would produce a lot of noise and then you have to use a noise reduction.

i have seen how much noise a Iphone produce out of its earphone socket.



the fact is that many people have a load of phones in their cupboards and drawers, true they may pass some on, but most do not sell them.
As for Ebay, a lot of people who sells phones on ebay do it as a business. i know store like CEX buys phones and there are normally a lot of phones in there, but most people who sell to places like that are sort of money

I know a lot of people who have Iphones and they do not sell


My phone have been dropped so many times i am shocked it have not broke to be honest, since the back is glass, i dropped it down my stairs once, chucked it onto a hospital floor when i took my coat off and the phone flew out of my pocket and hit the hard floor.
As for insurance, more money unless it is covered by contents insurance and then they normally ask for more.

i have seen a lot more Iphones with broken screens than Android phones and the majority of my friends uses an android based phone.

i have used iphones, I even borrowed one and used it for a week, granted it was an Iphone 4, but the OS have not changed that much it is still basically the same. i just do not like the layout, in my opinion it is an awful OS, but that is a personal thing, other people will think it is great. Saying that I am not a great fan of Android either, but at least I can have my choice of phones with Android and not stuck with one company. Stock Android is nicer to use than IOS and certainly better than windows mobile, but again that is my personal opinion.




I do not buy expensive phones, my Nexus is the most I have paid for a phone, i do not see the point in paying more for features which are mainly a gimmick. i have used different phones, a mate of mine have a Samsung 7 edge and I have had a look at it, but it offers nothing different that I would use, the screen going around the edge is a gimmick, how the hell are you going to see that anyway unless you have fantastic eye sight, my mate have to put his specs on to see it, so what is the point?
True the screen itself is better than my phone, I can see the text better on it than on mine, but then I expect that after all it is newer than mine, so newer technology and cost a lot more, but is the extra cost worth it?


Because the way they are advertised as if people need tto pay that price and it is a must thing to have, people get brainwashed. Not just for phones for for other things as well.


you could be right, but I could buy an Iphone tomorrow if I really wanted to, it is not a problem



Jealousy and sour grapes, for what reason? as i said above I could get one tomorrow, in fact I could get one right now if i really wanted one, but I don't.
I do not drive, buying a nice car is for comfort, not that I think BMW's are that nice to ride in to be honest.
but i do think that a lot of people with expensive cars seem to show off a bit, but they still get stuck in traffic like any other car.


It is a lot to do with me when they start moaning to me about not having money for their food or energy.

Like people who have sky Tv and then complain they can not afford to eat or buy clothes, well get rid of your Sky TV.

We are not going to agree with each other, so this may as well come to an end now.

Very true

i have a mechanical watch, not too expensive but more than what I would give mind you, cost about £300. i did not buy it and I never wear it.

the watch I wear is a cheap £10 casio analogue watch.

i think this is sufficient evidence as to you not having a clue what you are talking about

artists like taylor swift (if you haven't heard of her, google her, she's one of the most succesful artists in the world today) and thom yorke of radiohead use them to create demos to which they go on to make albums with. like multiplatinum selling albums. taylor swift included some of her iphone recorded demos on the deluxe version of her last album, which had hits like shake it off, originally demoed on her iphone

also there are a number of instriuments to which you can connect IOS devices for additional use, such as yamaha and korg keyboards

prince used his ipad on his last tour, placed on top of his keyboard. prince was one of the biggest grossing artists in music this year


you can SEE it? that explains a few things






can you point towards where you obtained these facts?


how many people?

what point are you trying to make?

if people have phones they are using they won't sell them. once they are finished with using them, such as after upgrading to another phone, they may sell them or give them to someone else to use


do you expect insurance to be free?

really, what point are you trying to make?

not every time someone drops something will it break. but you can drop something once and it will break or smash. this isn't something specific to any manufacturer or model or product type


to put things into perspective, how many have you seen?

and how many iphones have apple sold?

so what percentage of iphones have you seen with broken screens?


so you've never owned an iphone or even used it for a long period of time, and you certainly have never owned a recent model iphone with the latest IOS, so your experience of using iphones is negligible

the iphone 4 came out in 2010, there have been several newer models and several IOS changes since then


which is based on hardly using IOS at all, and on a 6 year old model, which based on your post sounds like it was an old model at the time you tried it

in other words you aren't really comparing like for like as you have years of experience using android compared to a small amount of time using IOS on a phone you didn't own

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I do not buy expensive phones, my Nexus is the most I have paid for a phone, i do not see the point in paying more for features which are mainly a gimmick. i have used different phones, a mate of mine have a Samsung 7 edge and I have had a look at it, but it offers nothing different that I would use, the screen going around the edge is a gimmick, how the hell are you going to see that anyway unless you have fantastic eye sight, my mate have to put his specs on to see it, so what is the point?
True the screen itself is better than my phone, I can see the text better on it than on mine, but then I expect that after all it is newer than mine, so newer technology and cost a lot more, but is the extra cost worth it?[quote]

it depends on what you want to do with the phone, which is basically a powerful hand held computer. i can remote access other peoples computers to see problems they are having which they can't describe in words as they aren't so computer literate, and i can use my phone to resolve their problem remotely. i can also set my own computers to do tasks remotely too

smartphones are so powerful these days they can do so many things, so just like different people will do different things with their home pcs, different people will do different things with their phones. from taking photos and videos to livesctreaming, playing games, business use, or various forms of entertainment, such as playing games or music. it doesn't sound like you do that much with yours. perhaps because your old phone isn't so powerful


so you consider somthing a swizz and not worth it, without actually owning and trying the product?

and you are suggesting it's other people are are daft for not doing what you do and thinking what you think?


you might find out you like it!


i don't know, but you sound unhappy about other peoples personal choices whilst you have made a personal choice that is different, and doesn't seem to fill you with any kind of joy, so you post complaining about other peoples choices instead. it's a sign of jealousy and sour grapes


how many BMW's have you owned, and how long have you owned them?

you can see the point, can't you? unless you spend sufficient time with something you may not see the true value in it. you may get stuck in traffic, but you may have a more comfortable and pleasurable experience


in what way has it "a lot" to do with you?

how many people actually moan to you personally about not having money for food or energy because they have spent £699 on an iphone 7?

i'm guessing it's low numbers, and ultimately you are moaning a lot over nothing


how many people moan to you about not being able to afford to eat or buy clothes that have sky tv?

what type of life do you lead if you have so many people moaning to you about things that really have nothing to do with you? why put up with it, why not tell them you aren't interested and walk away instead of listening to them moan?

@unique

Very well said, and every point well made, but it might all be in vain as I'm beginning to suspect there's a whiff of a little bearded man who lives under a bridge in this thread .

@unique

Full marks for stamina in typing posts but you do seem to have lost the plot.

What matters is not what you could do with some of these very expensive devices but what most purchasers actually do with them. Many purchasers of very expensive phones probably use <10% of the capability. In fact many probably do not even know how to use half the features on the phone.

Bit like some of those very expensive mechanical watches I mentioned earlier today. Should you be adrift on your yacht in mid Atlantic with all the electronic navigation out your watch could be a life saver. But how many owners have a yacht let alone sail it across the ocean?