£699 iphone7, BUT how much does it cost to make?

Stiggles · 13-11-2016, 18:21

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i have android devices too and it's clear it's a cheap copy of IOS and due to the huge variance of products and different versions of android you don't get the same consistency across products, and personally i think it's nowhere near as good to use as IOS. again others share similar opinions which you may see if you read technology forums. and its partly for that reason that i stick with the iphone as to date i've not seen anything on android phones to make me want to change, howeve i remain open minded about it

That's a hell of a bold statement considering Apple has copied almost everything from Android!!

Yes, Android is not the same over every device, but thats the beauty of it. My phone doesn't have to look like the next person who has an Android phone. With iOS, you all look the same.

You will also see many people prefer Android if you read technology forums. Its not aone way street!!

For the record, i have had several iphones, own 2 ipads and am typing this on a Macbook Pro. I have nothing against apple, but there phones are subpar at best. The rest is great.

Stiggles · 13-11-2016, 18:26

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Originally Posted by d123

@unique

Very well said, and every point well made, but it might all be in vain as I'm beginning to suspect there's a whiff of a little bearded man who lives under a bridge in this thread

.

How can it be well said and every point well made when his post is his own preference?

I think it's clear who the wee bearded men under the bridge here are...

d123 · 13-11-2016, 20:20

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

How can it be well said and every point well made when his post is his own preference?

I think it's clear who the wee bearded men under the bridge here are...

His answer is well said and well laid out in rebutting all the bs of the wee man...

misar · 13-11-2016, 20:34

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Originally Posted by d123

His answer is well said and well laid out in rebutting all the bs of the wee man...

Hard to believe you actually read his answer. To be fair there was rather a lot to read ....

unique · 13-11-2016, 21:33

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Originally Posted by misar

@unique

Full marks for stamina in typing posts but you do seem to have lost the plot.

What matters is not what you could do with some of these very expensive devices but what most purchasers actually do with them. Many purchasers of very expensive phones probably use <10% of the capability. In fact many probably do not even know how to use half the features on the phone.

i disagree. i think YOU have lost the plot

what someone wants to do with something they've purchased is up to them, not you

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Bit like some of those very expensive mechanical watches I mentioned earlier today. Should you be adrift on your yacht in mid Atlantic with all the electronic navigation out your watch could be a life saver. But how many owners have a yacht let alone sail it across the ocean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_Safety_Check

unique · 13-11-2016, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

That's a hell of a bold statement considering Apple has copied almost everything from Android!!

well that's just complete an utter nonsense. do you not remember mobile phones before the first iphone?

andriod is basically a copy of IOS and most smartphones since the iphone have copied the same basic style. don't you remember the various shapes and styles of phones before the iphone? look in a carphone warehouse today and notice most of the phones resemble the basic shape of the first iphone, with an operating system that also resembles the first version of IOS

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Yes, Android is not the same over every device, but thats the beauty of it. My phone doesn't have to look like the next person who has an Android phone. With iOS, you all look the same.

that's not true either. you can change the look of your phone on IOS too. however the majority of phones will be harmonised in running the latest version of IOS, instead of umpteen different versions based on the specs of the phone. there's little guarantee as to how long an andriod phone will get updates

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You will also see many people prefer Android if you read technology forums. Its not aone way street!!

i never said otherwise, did i?

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For the record, i have had several iphones, own 2 ipads and am typing this on a Macbook Pro. I have nothing against apple, but there phones are subpar at best. The rest is great.

that's merely your opinion rather than fact. i disagree, as will others. why have several iphones if you consider them subpar? they can't be that bad if you have owned several. or are you now going to say you didn't actually own them and they were business phones instead? what about the ipad? why buy so many IOS devices if you think they are subpar? if you think iphones are subpar what do you think of android phones, and why don't you buy an andriod phone and tablet if iphones are subpar in your opinion? it makes little sense

jonmorris · 13-11-2016, 22:19

You can argue about how people use a device, and that everyone is free to spend whatever they like on a phone - but saying Android is a copy of iOS and that nobody knows how long Android will get updated?

Now, anyone remember the LG Prada phone and others? Anyone remember that Sony Ericsson, and indeed Ericsson, and Motorola, and Samsung, and... were making smartphones before 2007? Who copied who? 2002 for a touchscreen Symbian phone (earlier if you consider the R380 World phone). Windows Mobile. Palm OS.. Crikey.

And you should also know by now that Android apps are not part of the OS. Even people on old Android versions as far back as 4.4 will be getting the latest Maps, Chrome, keyboard, Gmail and other apps.

Play services and the like are updated via the Play store. Nobody needs to wait for an OS update to fix problems with an app - just get the latest version automatically.

There are pros and cons, and they can be debated, but I am surprised at your lack of knowledge on this.

Stiggles · 13-11-2016, 23:12

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Originally Posted by unique

well that's just complete an utter nonsense. do you not remember mobile phones before the first iphone?

Yes i do. As Jon above has said, the LG prada for example which i had (and would have added into this discussion), had a screen of icons way before the iphone did. As did many others. That was a smartphone! the first iphone was indeed in a way innovative, but was completely hobbled at the same time.

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andriod is basically a copy of IOS and most smartphones since the iphone have copied the same basic style. don't you remember the various shapes and styles of phones before the iphone? look in a carphone warehouse today and notice most of the phones resemble the basic shape of the first iphone, with an operating system that also resembles the first version of IOS

Utter garbage. The iphone had the same shape as again jon mentioned, the LG Prada and many other phones at the time.

So did Android copy the notification center apple users now enjoy? Or was that the other way round?

Custom keyboards?

App store?

There are many other examples!

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that's not true either. you can change the look of your phone on IOS too. however the majority of phones will be harmonised in running the latest version of IOS, instead of umpteen different versions based on the specs of the phone. there's little guarantee as to how long an andriod phone will get updates

Can you? I can't see any way to add a widget with weather based info, or news info to any iphone screen. All i see is rows of icons that cannot be changed to any other way than that.

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i never said otherwise, did i?

Yes, you kind of did really!

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that's merely your opinion rather than fact. i disagree, as will others. why have several iphones if you consider them subpar? they can't be that bad if you have owned several. or are you now going to say you didn't actually own them and they were business phones instead? what about the ipad? why buy so many IOS devices if you think they are subpar? if you think iphones are subpar what do you think of android phones, and why don't you buy an andriod phone and tablet if iphones are subpar in your opinion? it makes little sense

You can disagree and many will. However, many won't either!!

Business phones? If you bothered to read you will see i said the iphones are subpar but other things are like the ipad and macbook pro, fine.

At the time i had the iphones, little was better than them. Now most are better. I had the iphone 4S and 5S and they were fine. Now iphones are a bit meh. Absolutely no effort in design and the OS basically looks the same as it did 9 years ago. Very bland indeed.

I do have an Android phone!! I have the Xperia Z5 which i still prefer the look, feel and use of to an new iphone.

Stiggles · 13-11-2016, 23:13

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Originally Posted by d123

His answer is well said and well laid out in rebutting all the bs of the wee man...

Only he didn't! He merely posted his opinion and zero facts.

Gigabit · 13-11-2016, 23:22

I'm just wondering how this thread is still possibly alive. The premise is absurd.

We really need a wasteland on this forum for all the spam to go.

jonmorris · 13-11-2016, 23:24

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Originally Posted by Gigabit

I'm just wondering how this thread is still possibly alive. The premise is absurd.

We really need a wasteland on this forum for all the spam to go.

Why keep bumping it then?!

Stig · 14-11-2016, 06:24

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Originally Posted by Gigabit

I'm just wondering how this thread is still possibly alive. The premise is absurd.

We really need a wasteland on this forum for all the spam to go.

You can put people on your ignore list, like the trolls who start such threads. It's a shame you can't put entire threads on an ignore list so you aren't tempted to click on them!

kidspud · 14-11-2016, 06:54

Was the lg Prada a smartphone? Can't remember if it has a browser which I would list as an essential element. Although it had a touchscreen, it was truly terrible.

Anyhow, it's well known that the iPhone was a complete game changer. Just ask Samsung who had to completely redesign their devices and steal the ideas from Apple (and lost a very long court case in the process).

misar · 14-11-2016, 07:06

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Originally Posted by unique

what someone wants to do with something they've purchased is up to them, not you

Of course. But the suggestion was that they only use 10% of the capability of their expensive purchase and could get that capability for far less with other products.

They have paid extra for the bling not the technology.

kidspud · 14-11-2016, 07:13

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Originally Posted by misar

Of course. But the suggestion was that they only use 10% of the capability of their expensive purchase and could get that capability for far less with other products.

They have paid extra for the bling not the technology.

Where does the 10% figure come from?

misar · 14-11-2016, 07:23

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Originally Posted by unique

i disagree. i think YOU have lost the plot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_Safety_Check

Very interesting but you really have lost the plot.

You are now arguing against yourself. Nobody needs to buy a £700 iPhone in order to use Facebook Safety Check.

unique · 14-11-2016, 07:29

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Originally Posted by misar

Very interesting but you really have lost the plot.

You are now arguing against yourself. Nobody needs to buy a £700 iPhone in order to use Facebook Safety Check.

i never said that did i. i think this backs up the theory that you've lost the plot

misar · 14-11-2016, 07:30

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Where does the 10% figure come from?

Anecdotal evidence as indicated by repetition of possibly in my original post. Actually I asked some friends who all have very expensive phones.

Given the subsequent discussion here I went back with further questions and have an update. Possibly many purchasers of very expensive phones are not even aware of half the capabilities of their phones.

misar · 14-11-2016, 07:36

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Originally Posted by unique

i never said that did i. i think this backs up the theory that you've lost the plot

So what were you saying with the Facebook URL?

unique · 14-11-2016, 07:36

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Yes i do. As Jon above has said, the LG prada for example which i had (and would have added into this discussion), had a screen of icons way before the iphone did. As did many others. That was a smartphone! the first iphone was indeed in a way innovative, but was completely hobbled at the same time.

the prada phone was little like the iphone in real terms of usage. it was a terrible phone to use

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Utter garbage. The iphone had the same shape as again jon mentioned, the LG Prada and many other phones at the time.

it's not garbage at all. you are clutching at straws now. i never said it was the first phone with that shape, did i?

however since the iphone there are fewer phones of different shapes. if you actually remember the time before the iphone came out you had clamshell phones and phones like the nokia n95 or whatever it was, which was one of the best phones at the time. since the iphone most smartphones follow the same basic principles, don't they?

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So did Android copy the notification center apple users now enjoy? Or was that the other way round?

Custom keyboards?

App store?

There are many other examples!

clutching at straws again. android copied IOS in the first place remember

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Can you? I can't see any way to add a widget with weather based info, or news info to any iphone screen. All i see is rows of icons that cannot be changed to any other way than that.

more clutching at straws. yes you can change the look

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Yes, you kind of did really!

nope. and kind of did and actually did are differnt things. more clutching at straws

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You can disagree and many will. However, many won't either!!

Business phones? If you bothered to read you will see i said the iphones are subpar but other things are like the ipad and macbook pro, fine.

At the time i had the iphones, little was better than them. Now most are better. I had the iphone 4S and 5S and they were fine. Now iphones are a bit meh. Absolutely no effort in design and the OS basically looks the same as it did 9 years ago. Very bland indeed.

I do have an Android phone!! I have the Xperia Z5 which i still prefer the look, feel and use of to an new iphone.

i did bother to read, but rather than jump to conclusions, misquote and end up wrong, as many others do, i prefer to ask questions to obtain information before replying. the long and short of it appears to be that you made the decision to buy an iphone over the competition and do so again, so at the time you surely couldn't have considered the phones to be subpar. comparing old models to new ones isn't a like for like comparisson

unique · 14-11-2016, 07:37

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Originally Posted by misar

So what were you saying with the Facebook URL?

i simply posted a link. reread the post. i didn't state anything about the link

jonmorris · 14-11-2016, 08:21

The iPhone was game changing because of a higher resolution capacitive touchscreen that introduced multi touch. It started without an app store or other basic features available on other platforms, but the new UI was without a shadow of a doubt amazing.

I do think people somehow forget how limited it was beyond that, or that Apple didn't invent smartphones.

misar · 14-11-2016, 08:50

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Originally Posted by unique

i simply posted a link. reread the post. i didn't state anything about the link

My apologies, I should have been more explicit with my question.
Would you like to tell us why you simply posted a link to an article about Facebook Safety Check? If not I think we need say no more.

noise747 · 14-11-2016, 08:50

i am not going to through all of the post, it is far too much.
But a couple of things, you can see what noise a phone/tablet or any other electronic audio equipment puts out with the right equipment, it is called signal to noise ratio, all audio equipment produce noise, some worse than others. Iphone like other phones and tablets put out a lot, you need to use some good filtering and noise reduction to get rid of it. No doubt Taylor Swift have access to studios that can do it, but it is a pain for the smaller producers.

As for telling people what they can buy, I have never done that, I just think people are sometimes pushed into buying things they do not need

As for BMWs, never owned one, but been in a few, my brother-in laws little Suzuki swift is more comfortable.

kidspud · 14-11-2016, 10:23

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

The iPhone was game changing because of a higher resolution capacitive touchscreen that introduced multi touch. It started without an app store or other basic features available on other platforms, but the new UI was without a shadow of a doubt amazing.

I do think people somehow forget how limited it was beyond that, or that Apple didn't invent smartphones.

I half agree with you, but it wasn't just the multi touch, it was the way the OS and apps took advantage of it.

It sounds crazy now but the reason people reacted the way they did to things like slide to unlock and scrolling through contacts and music is because it was streets ahead in user experience than anything before it.

To balance the bias, maybe people don't remember how bad the first android phones were (I believe they didn't even have a virtual keyboard).

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Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by unique i have android devices too and it's clear it's a cheap copy of IOS and due to the huge variance of products and different versions of android you don't get the same consistency across products, and personally i think it's nowhere near as good to use as IOS. again others share similar opinions which you may see if you read technology forums. and its partly for that reason that i stick with the iphone as to date i've not seen anything on android phones to make me want to change, howeve i remain open minded about it That's a hell of a bold statement considering Apple has copied almost everything from Android!! Yes, Android is not the same over every device, but thats the beauty of it. My phone doesn't have to look like the next person who has an Android phone. With iOS, you all look the same. You will also see many people prefer Android if you read technology forums. Its not aone way street!! For the record, i have had several iphones, own 2 ipads and am typing this on a Macbook Pro. I have nothing against apple, but there phones are subpar at best. The rest is great.

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13-11-2016, 18:26	#127
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 @unique Very well said, and every point well made, but it might all be in vain as I'm beginning to suspect there's a whiff of a little bearded man who lives under a bridge in this thread . How can it be well said and every point well made when his post is his own preference? I think it's clear who the wee bearded men under the bridge here are...

13-11-2016, 20:20	#128
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles How can it be well said and every point well made when his post is his own preference? I think it's clear who the wee bearded men under the bridge here are... His answer is well said and well laid out in rebutting all the bs of the wee man...

13-11-2016, 20:34	#129
misar Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 447	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 His answer is well said and well laid out in rebutting all the bs of the wee man... Hard to believe you actually read his answer. To be fair there was rather a lot to read ....

13-11-2016, 21:33	#130
unique Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,034	Quote: Originally Posted by misar @unique Full marks for stamina in typing posts but you do seem to have lost the plot. What matters is not what you could do with some of these very expensive devices but what most purchasers actually do with them. Many purchasers of very expensive phones probably use <10% of the capability. In fact many probably do not even know how to use half the features on the phone. i disagree. i think YOU have lost the plot what someone wants to do with something they've purchased is up to them, not you Quote: Bit like some of those very expensive mechanical watches I mentioned earlier today. Should you be adrift on your yacht in mid Atlantic with all the electronic navigation out your watch could be a life saver. But how many owners have a yacht let alone sail it across the ocean? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_Safety_Check

13-11-2016, 21:42	#131
unique Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,034	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles That's a hell of a bold statement considering Apple has copied almost everything from Android!! well that's just complete an utter nonsense. do you not remember mobile phones before the first iphone? andriod is basically a copy of IOS and most smartphones since the iphone have copied the same basic style. don't you remember the various shapes and styles of phones before the iphone? look in a carphone warehouse today and notice most of the phones resemble the basic shape of the first iphone, with an operating system that also resembles the first version of IOS Quote: Yes, Android is not the same over every device, but thats the beauty of it. My phone doesn't have to look like the next person who has an Android phone. With iOS, you all look the same. that's not true either. you can change the look of your phone on IOS too. however the majority of phones will be harmonised in running the latest version of IOS, instead of umpteen different versions based on the specs of the phone. there's little guarantee as to how long an andriod phone will get updates Quote: You will also see many people prefer Android if you read technology forums. Its not aone way street!! i never said otherwise, did i? Quote: For the record, i have had several iphones, own 2 ipads and am typing this on a Macbook Pro. I have nothing against apple, but there phones are subpar at best. The rest is great. that's merely your opinion rather than fact. i disagree, as will others. why have several iphones if you consider them subpar? they can't be that bad if you have owned several. or are you now going to say you didn't actually own them and they were business phones instead? what about the ipad? why buy so many IOS devices if you think they are subpar? if you think iphones are subpar what do you think of android phones, and why don't you buy an andriod phone and tablet if iphones are subpar in your opinion? it makes little sense

13-11-2016, 22:19	#132
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	You can argue about how people use a device, and that everyone is free to spend whatever they like on a phone - but saying Android is a copy of iOS and that nobody knows how long Android will get updated? Now, anyone remember the LG Prada phone and others? Anyone remember that Sony Ericsson, and indeed Ericsson, and Motorola, and Samsung, and... were making smartphones before 2007? Who copied who? 2002 for a touchscreen Symbian phone (earlier if you consider the R380 World phone). Windows Mobile. Palm OS.. Crikey. And you should also know by now that Android apps are not part of the OS. Even people on old Android versions as far back as 4.4 will be getting the latest Maps, Chrome, keyboard, Gmail and other apps. Play services and the like are updated via the Play store. Nobody needs to wait for an OS update to fix problems with an app - just get the latest version automatically. There are pros and cons, and they can be debated, but I am surprised at your lack of knowledge on this.

13-11-2016, 23:12	#133
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by unique well that's just complete an utter nonsense. do you not remember mobile phones before the first iphone? Yes i do. As Jon above has said, the LG prada for example which i had (and would have added into this discussion), had a screen of icons way before the iphone did. As did many others. That was a smartphone! the first iphone was indeed in a way innovative, but was completely hobbled at the same time. Quote: andriod is basically a copy of IOS and most smartphones since the iphone have copied the same basic style. don't you remember the various shapes and styles of phones before the iphone? look in a carphone warehouse today and notice most of the phones resemble the basic shape of the first iphone, with an operating system that also resembles the first version of IOS Utter garbage. The iphone had the same shape as again jon mentioned, the LG Prada and many other phones at the time. So did Android copy the notification center apple users now enjoy? Or was that the other way round? Custom keyboards? App store? There are many other examples! Quote: that's not true either. you can change the look of your phone on IOS too. however the majority of phones will be harmonised in running the latest version of IOS, instead of umpteen different versions based on the specs of the phone. there's little guarantee as to how long an andriod phone will get updates Can you? I can't see any way to add a widget with weather based info, or news info to any iphone screen. All i see is rows of icons that cannot be changed to any other way than that. Quote: i never said otherwise, did i? Yes, you kind of did really! Quote: that's merely your opinion rather than fact. i disagree, as will others. why have several iphones if you consider them subpar? they can't be that bad if you have owned several. or are you now going to say you didn't actually own them and they were business phones instead? what about the ipad? why buy so many IOS devices if you think they are subpar? if you think iphones are subpar what do you think of android phones, and why don't you buy an andriod phone and tablet if iphones are subpar in your opinion? it makes little sense You can disagree and many will. However, many won't either!! Business phones? If you bothered to read you will see i said the iphones are subpar but other things are like the ipad and macbook pro, fine. At the time i had the iphones, little was better than them. Now most are better. I had the iphone 4S and 5S and they were fine. Now iphones are a bit meh. Absolutely no effort in design and the OS basically looks the same as it did 9 years ago. Very bland indeed. I do have an Android phone!! I have the Xperia Z5 which i still prefer the look, feel and use of to an new iphone.

13-11-2016, 23:13	#134
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 His answer is well said and well laid out in rebutting all the bs of the wee man... Only he didn't! He merely posted his opinion and zero facts.

13-11-2016, 23:22	#135
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	I'm just wondering how this thread is still possibly alive. The premise is absurd. We really need a wasteland on this forum for all the spam to go.

13-11-2016, 23:24	#136
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit I'm just wondering how this thread is still possibly alive. The premise is absurd. We really need a wasteland on this forum for all the spam to go. Why keep bumping it then?!

14-11-2016, 06:24	#137
Stig Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sandy Heath, Beds. UK Posts: 10,383	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit I'm just wondering how this thread is still possibly alive. The premise is absurd. We really need a wasteland on this forum for all the spam to go. You can put people on your ignore list, like the trolls who start such threads. It's a shame you can't put entire threads on an ignore list so you aren't tempted to click on them!

14-11-2016, 06:54	#138
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Was the lg Prada a smartphone? Can't remember if it has a browser which I would list as an essential element. Although it had a touchscreen, it was truly terrible. Anyhow, it's well known that the iPhone was a complete game changer. Just ask Samsung who had to completely redesign their devices and steal the ideas from Apple (and lost a very long court case in the process).

14-11-2016, 07:06	#139
misar Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 447	Quote: Originally Posted by unique what someone wants to do with something they've purchased is up to them, not you Of course. But the suggestion was that they only use 10% of the capability of their expensive purchase and could get that capability for far less with other products. They have paid extra for the bling not the technology.

14-11-2016, 07:13	#140
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by misar Of course. But the suggestion was that they only use 10% of the capability of their expensive purchase and could get that capability for far less with other products. They have paid extra for the bling not the technology. Where does the 10% figure come from?

14-11-2016, 07:23	#141
misar Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 447	Quote: Originally Posted by unique i disagree. i think YOU have lost the plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_Safety_Check Very interesting but you really have lost the plot. You are now arguing against yourself. Nobody needs to buy a £700 iPhone in order to use Facebook Safety Check.

14-11-2016, 07:29	#142
unique Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,034	Quote: Originally Posted by misar Very interesting but you really have lost the plot. You are now arguing against yourself. Nobody needs to buy a £700 iPhone in order to use Facebook Safety Check. i never said that did i. i think this backs up the theory that you've lost the plot

14-11-2016, 07:30	#143
misar Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 447	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Where does the 10% figure come from? Anecdotal evidence as indicated by repetition of possibly in my original post. Actually I asked some friends who all have very expensive phones. Given the subsequent discussion here I went back with further questions and have an update. Possibly many purchasers of very expensive phones are not even aware of half the capabilities of their phones.

14-11-2016, 07:36	#144
misar Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 447	Quote: Originally Posted by unique i never said that did i. i think this backs up the theory that you've lost the plot So what were you saying with the Facebook URL?

14-11-2016, 07:36	#145
unique Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,034	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Yes i do. As Jon above has said, the LG prada for example which i had (and would have added into this discussion), had a screen of icons way before the iphone did. As did many others. That was a smartphone! the first iphone was indeed in a way innovative, but was completely hobbled at the same time. the prada phone was little like the iphone in real terms of usage. it was a terrible phone to use Quote: Utter garbage. The iphone had the same shape as again jon mentioned, the LG Prada and many other phones at the time. it's not garbage at all. you are clutching at straws now. i never said it was the first phone with that shape, did i? however since the iphone there are fewer phones of different shapes. if you actually remember the time before the iphone came out you had clamshell phones and phones like the nokia n95 or whatever it was, which was one of the best phones at the time. since the iphone most smartphones follow the same basic principles, don't they? Quote: So did Android copy the notification center apple users now enjoy? Or was that the other way round? Custom keyboards? App store? There are many other examples! clutching at straws again. android copied IOS in the first place remember Quote: Can you? I can't see any way to add a widget with weather based info, or news info to any iphone screen. All i see is rows of icons that cannot be changed to any other way than that. more clutching at straws. yes you can change the look Quote: Yes, you kind of did really! nope. and kind of did and actually did are differnt things. more clutching at straws Quote: You can disagree and many will. However, many won't either!! Business phones? If you bothered to read you will see i said the iphones are subpar but other things are like the ipad and macbook pro, fine. At the time i had the iphones, little was better than them. Now most are better. I had the iphone 4S and 5S and they were fine. Now iphones are a bit meh. Absolutely no effort in design and the OS basically looks the same as it did 9 years ago. Very bland indeed. I do have an Android phone!! I have the Xperia Z5 which i still prefer the look, feel and use of to an new iphone. i did bother to read, but rather than jump to conclusions, misquote and end up wrong, as many others do, i prefer to ask questions to obtain information before replying. the long and short of it appears to be that you made the decision to buy an iphone over the competition and do so again, so at the time you surely couldn't have considered the phones to be subpar. comparing old models to new ones isn't a like for like comparisson

14-11-2016, 07:37	#146
unique Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,034	Quote: Originally Posted by misar So what were you saying with the Facebook URL? i simply posted a link. reread the post. i didn't state anything about the link

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£699 iphone7, BUT how much does it cost to make?

14-11-2016, 08:21	#147
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	The iPhone was game changing because of a higher resolution capacitive touchscreen that introduced multi touch. It started without an app store or other basic features available on other platforms, but the new UI was without a shadow of a doubt amazing. I do think people somehow forget how limited it was beyond that, or that Apple didn't invent smartphones.

14-11-2016, 08:50	#148
misar Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 447	Quote: Originally Posted by unique i simply posted a link. reread the post. i didn't state anything about the link My apologies, I should have been more explicit with my question. Would you like to tell us why you simply posted a link to an article about Facebook Safety Check? If not I think we need say no more.

14-11-2016, 08:50	#149
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	i am not going to through all of the post, it is far too much. But a couple of things, you can see what noise a phone/tablet or any other electronic audio equipment puts out with the right equipment, it is called signal to noise ratio, all audio equipment produce noise, some worse than others. Iphone like other phones and tablets put out a lot, you need to use some good filtering and noise reduction to get rid of it. No doubt Taylor Swift have access to studios that can do it, but it is a pain for the smaller producers. As for telling people what they can buy, I have never done that, I just think people are sometimes pushed into buying things they do not need As for BMWs, never owned one, but been in a few, my brother-in laws little Suzuki swift is more comfortable.

14-11-2016, 10:23	#150
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris The iPhone was game changing because of a higher resolution capacitive touchscreen that introduced multi touch. It started without an app store or other basic features available on other platforms, but the new UI was without a shadow of a doubt amazing. I do think people somehow forget how limited it was beyond that, or that Apple didn't invent smartphones. I half agree with you, but it wasn't just the multi touch, it was the way the OS and apps took advantage of it. It sounds crazy now but the reason people reacted the way they did to things like slide to unlock and scrolling through contacts and music is because it was streets ahead in user experience than anything before it. To balance the bias, maybe people don't remember how bad the first android phones were (I believe they didn't even have a virtual keyboard).