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Old 14-11-2016, 12:43
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Well, if nothing else this thread made for some amusement with all the frothing and indignation by the Android ubėrfans to the very idea that the iPhone was any kind of game changer or pioneer device...

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Old 14-11-2016, 13:07
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My apologies, I should have been more explicit with my question.
Would you like to tell us why you simply posted a link to an article about Facebook Safety Check? If not I think we need say no more.
your post made me think of that
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Old 14-11-2016, 13:10
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i am not going to through all of the post, it is far too much.
But a couple of things, you can see what noise a phone/tablet or any other electronic audio equipment puts out with the right equipment, it is called signal to noise ratio, all audio equipment produce noise, some worse than others. Iphone like other phones and tablets put out a lot, you need to use some good filtering and noise reduction to get rid of it. No doubt Taylor Swift have access to studios that can do it, but it is a pain for the smaller producers.
you aren't seeing noise. you are seeing a visual representation of what is being measured


As for telling people what they can buy, I have never done that, I just think people are sometimes pushed into buying things they do not need

As for BMWs, never owned one, but been in a few, my brother-in laws little Suzuki swift is more comfortable.
so along with iphones, your experience of BMW's is extremely limited too, in regards to actually using one

so the long and short of it is you are making assumptions and statements based on little to no experience of owning the products you are talking about
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Old 14-11-2016, 13:49
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so the long and short of it is you are making assumptions and statements based on little to no experience of owning the products you are talking about
I think you're right, to experience a car properly you really need to use it for a little while, maybe hire one for a week. I think far too many people make assumptions about things with very limited information or knowledge.
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Old 14-11-2016, 14:11
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I half agree with you, but it wasn't just the multi touch, it was the way the OS and apps took advantage of it.
That is what I meant. Not merely that it had a capacitive screen!

Symbian did more than iPhone at the time, with more customisation, apps, widgets, side loading potential, Bluetooth file transfer etc etc - but the UI was poor. Apps generally cost a fortune (calendar apps for £10+ were commonplace) and it was all disjointed and ultimately helped lead to the downfall of Symbian, both in Series 60 and UIQ form (the latter at least having been touchscreen based from day one, while Nokia bodged S60 badly).

I know the history as I lived and worked through it. Apple was a gamechanger, but so was Android in its own way. Android was being developed, like iOS, to compete with what was already out on the market - not as a quick rush job to copy Apple! I mean, Android started out in 2003 and given Apple's immense ability to keep things secret then (less so now) do you really think it was just a case of finding out what Apple was doing and copying it?

Plus Android had widgets, pull down notifications and all that - albeit quite primitively from day one. Apple didn't even get that sort of stuff until relatively recently.

There is no doubting that the industry as a whole did copy a lot of the best aspects of iOS. More recent Windows OS builds are certainly designed in a totally different way to Windows of old. Touchscreens and multi-touch have changed that. Now Apple and others have force-touch (and as you know, Huawei beat Apple to release a phone with that, even if they never really did much with it) and we move on.

Still, like when we went off topic with the MacBook, I am not sure how Android vs iPhone is relevant to a discussion that I assume was about the huge profit margins of the latest flagship phones (from everyone) and whether people really need to spend that much in a lot of cases (while acknowledging that people are free to do so if they want).
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Old 14-11-2016, 14:57
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the prada phone was little like the iphone in real terms of usage. it was a terrible phone to use
It was actually a very good phone at the time to use. It pre dates the iphone and in fact, the iphone looked like that. It could also send picture messages where the iphone could not.

The iphone did indeed change the game up, but it wasn't perfect by any means.

it's not garbage at all. you are clutching at straws now. i never said it was the first phone with that shape, did i?
Yes you did!

I quote:-

andriod is basically a copy of IOS and most smartphones since the iphone have copied the same basic style. don't you remember the various shapes and styles of phones before the iphone? look in a carphone warehouse today and notice most of the phones resemble the basic shape of the first iphone, with an operating system that also resembles the first version of IOS
however since the iphone there are fewer phones of different shapes. if you actually remember the time before the iphone came out you had clamshell phones and phones like the nokia n95 or whatever it was, which was one of the best phones at the time. since the iphone most smartphones follow the same basic principles, don't they?
So not only are you saying Android copied iOS, you are saying manufacturers copies the iphones shape and design.

Not very good at this are you?!!

clutching at straws again. android copied IOS in the first place remember
You really are clueless Android (before google bought it) was in development for years before the iphone came out! 2005 actually. But you won't know anything about that will you?

Apple have copied nearly everything from Android yet bitch when anyone copies something from them!

more clutching at straws. yes you can change the look
Is this all you can say?

NO YOU CAN'T.

Apart from change the wallpaper, you cannot change the rows and rows of icons. You cannot add widgets to the screen. You can change basically nothing. So your iphone looks like everyone elses!

nope. and kind of did and actually did are differnt things. more clutching at straws
Again the same comment!! Not doing well are we?

i did bother to read, but rather than jump to conclusions, misquote and end up wrong, as many others do, i prefer to ask questions to obtain information before replying. the long and short of it appears to be that you made the decision to buy an iphone over the competition and do so again, so at the time you surely couldn't have considered the phones to be subpar. comparing old models to new ones isn't a like for like comparisson
Jesus!! You didn't bother to read at all did you, because you STILL havent read what i said properly!!!

I said to you that the 4S (apart from the blue grey tint to the screen) and 5S i liked. Now however, they just seem the same. Design is crap and iOS looks dated and boring. They are now subpar which is what i said to start with.
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Old 14-11-2016, 14:58
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Well, if nothing else this thread made for some amusement with all the frothing and indignation by the Android ubėrfans to the very idea that the iPhone was any kind of game changer or pioneer device...

Has anyone said that? Or are you just trolling again?
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Old 14-11-2016, 15:04
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Has anyone said that? Or are you just trolling again?
You can't be reading the same thread.

You can't even be reading your own posts...

lol
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Old 14-11-2016, 15:08
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You can't be reading the same thread.

You can't even be reading your own posts...

lol
Show me where i said that please..

All i see is me countering someones elses lies and wrong opinions. Is that classed as trolling now?

And a rabid apple fan (you, by the way) agreeing with another apple fan who doesn't have a clue how anything in the mobile world actually happened, which in turn makes you look clueless! So, yeah......

lol.....
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Old 15-11-2016, 07:10
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It was actually a very good phone at the time to use. It pre dates the iphone and in fact, the iphone looked like that. It could also send picture messages where the iphone could not.

The iphone did indeed change the game up, but it wasn't perfect by any means.
proove the part in black. if you actually bother checking you will see that the prada phone was announced in december 2006 and went on sale in may 2007. the iphone was announced before the prada phone in september 2006 and went onsale a month after the prada phone in 2007

however if you've read about the history of the iphone and ipad you will know that they were both in development for a long time. so prove the prada phone came first. certainly the iphone was announced first

as for it being a "very good phone at the time to use" that's simply subjective. personally i liked the idea of the phone at the time but declined to buy it as the hands on experience i had was poor. on the other hand i had absolutely no intention of buying an iphone and looked at pretty much every smart phone model in stores at the time with the intention of buying a phone to browse online, but all had some issues or another, but given a iphone to try i instantly got used to it and liked it, and bought it the next day after giving it consideration




Yes you did!

I quote:-



So not only are you saying Android copied iOS, you are saying manufacturers copies the iphones shape and design.

Not very good at this are you?!!
as your quote proves definitively, i did not say what you said i said

YOU are the one who's not just not very good at this, but have completely failed





You really are clueless Android (before google bought it) was in development for years before the iphone came out! 2005 actually. But you won't know anything about that will you?
oh dear. how many years was IOS in developement before it came out?

can you prove andriod didn't copy IOS? i doubt it


Apple have copied nearly everything from Android yet bitch when anyone copies something from them!
can you prove this with facts? i doubt it




Is this all you can say?

NO YOU CAN'T.
wrong again. your next words even confirm you can. you are basicallly arguing against yourself


Apart from change the wallpaper, you cannot change the rows and rows of icons. You cannot add widgets to the screen. You can change basically nothing. So your iphone looks like everyone elses!
so you admit you can change the look of the iphone?

in addition to changing the background wallpaper you can change the lock screen, you can change notifications, and you can rearrange icons. depending on which version of IOS you have and if you have jailbroken the phone you can change it further, including putting more icons on the bottom row and changing the size of the icons





Again the same comment!! Not doing well are we?
if you bother to read and understand things properly, perhaps do a bit of quick googling to check facts before you post, so will see you are completely failing this time




Jesus!! You didn't bother to read at all did you, because you STILL havent read what i said properly!!!
wrong again. simply jumping to conclusions without asking for further information. a simple and basic failure this time


I said to you that the 4S (apart from the blue grey tint to the screen) and 5S i liked. Now however, they just seem the same. Design is crap and iOS looks dated and boring. They are now subpar which is what i said to start with.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...&postcount=126

wrong again. have a read what you actually said

For the record, i have had several iphones, own 2 ipads and am typing this on a Macbook Pro. I have nothing against apple, but there phones are subpar at best. The rest is great.
in addition to misquoting what others have said, you've even misquoted yourself. as well as making a basic spelling/grammer mistake that a child should know
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Old 15-11-2016, 07:12
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Show me where i said that please..

All i see is me countering someones elses lies and wrong opinions. Is that classed as trolling now?

And a rabid apple fan (you, by the way) agreeing with another apple fan who doesn't have a clue how anything in the mobile world actually happened, which in turn makes you look clueless! So, yeah......

lol.....
how can an opinion be wrong?

you seem to be the one proving that you don't have a clue

you've also misquoted and posted a number of factually false things which i've highlighted

and it's not just me noticing this, but other posters too
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Old 15-11-2016, 08:23
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I love the demand for proof, without any proof whatsoever that Android back in 2003/4 was copying secret plans from Apple! Or LG, or anyone else.

And that nobody had phones with grids of icons, downloadable apps, and higher spec features (bar multi touch) like 3G, vastly superior cameras with flash etc.

While the UI won over the general public that had never been interested in smartphones before, the iPhone 2G was otherwise pretty awful in so many ways. The 3GS was probably the real turning point for many.
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Old 15-11-2016, 12:31
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Well, we all know when Moses came down with the 10 commandments, they were on an Android tablet, that's how old Android is

Any opinion that Apple did anything innovative is just heresy! All they do is copy and Android is the preferred OS of God and St Peter.

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Old 15-11-2016, 13:48
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iOS and Apple's pricing for apps (69 cents for an app) was revolutionary. No developers before had ever considered such low pricing, or to get support from a store (albeit with Apple taking a nice cut).

Later when Rovio introduced IAPs (although I think it did so first on Nokia phones) we had the moment where it wasn't about the hardware but the app ecosystem. Apple dominated this for many years. Until recently all apps were released on iOS first came often not on Android at all. Such was Apple's dominance - which no longer exists to anywhere near the same degree.

Nobody is failing to give Apple credit here, but the claim that it invented the smartphone is preposterous!
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:48
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Nobody is failing to give Apple credit here, but the claim that it invented the smartphone is preposterous!
This is one of the real downsides to the Internet. It's full of urban myths which a few gullible souls accept as gospel and before you know it they are trying to rewrite history.

Mind you a doubt Apple would fall over themselves to correct such serious errors as it tends to make them look good.
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:57
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iOS and Apple's pricing for apps (69 cents for an app) was revolutionary. No developers before had ever considered such low pricing, or to get support from a store (albeit with Apple taking a nice cut).

Later when Rovio introduced IAPs (although I think it did so first on Nokia phones) we had the moment where it wasn't about the hardware but the app ecosystem. Apple dominated this for many years. Until recently all apps were released on iOS first came often not on Android at all. Such was Apple's dominance - which no longer exists to anywhere near the same degree.

Nobody is failing to give Apple credit here, but the claim that it invented the smartphone is preposterous!
There is zero point in trying to explain this or anything else to these 2.

They clearly have their heads up apples backside and will refuse to listen to anything at all!
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:03
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as well as making a basic spelling/grammer mistake that a child should know
I wasn't even going to reply to that post since it's full of absolute nonsense, but i had to say this:-

Wow!! You have the damn cheek to pick me up on an autocorrect mistake, and then you **** up the spelling of grammar!! Brilliant

Yes, but you read what i first put 2 days ago when i entered this discussion:-

At the time i had the iphones, little was better than them. Now most are better. I had the iphone 4S and 5S and they were fine. Now iphones are a bit meh. Absolutely no effort in design and the OS basically looks the same as it did 9 years ago. Very bland indeed.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...&postcount=133

So who's wrong again?

You sir, have received the last reply from me.
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:05
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Well, we all know when Moses came down with the 10 commandments, they were on an Android tablet, that's how old Android is

Any opinion that Apple did anything innovative is just heresy! All they do is copy and Android is the preferred OS of God and St Peter.

Have you forgotten to show me where i said apple didn't change things? Or in fact where anyone else said that?....
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:08
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When it gets to the point where grammar is used to win an argument, you know the argument was lost some time ago.

FWIW I made a mistake in my post (now quoted so I can't fix).

'Until recently all apps were released on iOS first came often not on Android at all.'

Written on my phone, while on a train, it should have been: 'Until recently all apps were released on iOS first and often not on Android at all.'

I'm surprised nobody picked up on that and threw it back in my face.

Although if they had, I'd just say 'Ah diddums. There their they're'.
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:12
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When it gets to the point where grammar is used to win an argument, you know the argument was lost some time ago.

FWIW I made a mistake in my post (now quoted so I can't fix).

'Until recently all apps were released on iOS first came often not on Android at all.'

Written on my phone, while on a train, it should have been: 'Until recently all apps were released on iOS first and often not on Android at all.'

I'm surprised nobody picked up on that and threw it back in my face.

Although if they had, I'd just say 'Ah diddums. There their they're'.
It does yes. We all make mistakes, but to point it out as some sort of beating tool on a forum is just plain childish.
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:15
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There's a big difference between bad writing and making silly typos and basic errors that don't alter the meaning of a sentence. Especially thanks to autocorrect and phone keyboards that predict sentences and can alter the last word without you necessarily noticing.

In my professional work, errors are obviously a no no. But I can't recall ever pointing out grammatical errors on a forum. It's ridiculously childish.

I think I've told people to stop using capitals, or break up sentences, but that's more down to having difficulty reading something.

If someone says the wrong they're or puts an apostrophe wrong, I can usually figure it out!
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:46
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I wasn't even going to reply to that post since it's full of absolute nonsense, but i had to say this:-

Wow!! You have the damn cheek to pick me up on an autocorrect mistake, and then you **** up the spelling of grammar!! Brilliant



Yes, but you read what i first put 2 days ago when i entered this discussion:-

At the time i had the iphones, little was better than them. Now most are better. I had the iphone 4S and 5S and they were fine. Now iphones are a bit meh. Absolutely no effort in design and the OS basically looks the same as it did 9 years ago. Very bland indeed.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...&postcount=133

So who's wrong again?

You sir, have received the last reply from me.
Stigs, I always use to enjoy the banter we had but I'm getting a little worried about your memory. You use to claim you had an iPhone 4
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:51
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Stigs, I always use to enjoy the banter we had but I'm getting a little worried about your memory. You use to claim you had an iPhone 4
As do enjoy you always trying to prove me wrong.

I always said i had a 4S. My wife had a 4. We have had this conversation more than once now.
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Old 15-11-2016, 16:01
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As do enjoy you always trying to prove me wrong.

I always said i had a 4S. My wife had a 4.
I hadn't finished yet, I'm sure you also claimed to have a 3GS.

In fact I'm sure you said you had the 3GS then an HTC and then an IPhone 4.

Being a little older now even my memory plays up sometimes.

If only search worked properly on these forums
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Old 15-11-2016, 16:12
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I hadn't finished yet, I'm sure you also claimed to have a 3GS.

In fact I'm sure you said you had the 3GS then an HTC and then an IPhone 4.

Being a little older now even my memory plays up sometimes.

If only search worked properly on these forums
If only it did yes (i hadn't noticed it didn't to be honest!). Might stop this constant questioning you seem to keep doing when you pop out the woodwork every few months.....
Here we go..

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1627454


http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1627952
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