£699 iphone7, BUT how much does it cost to make?

kidspud · 15-11-2016, 16:38

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If only it did yes (i hadn't noticed it didn't to be honest!). Might stop this constant questioning you seem to keep doing when you pop out the woodwork every few months.....

Wow. Really trying here aren't we!

Ok, it goes like this seeing as you love to know so much of my life.

I had the HTC phone of some sort which broke. I then got a loan of a 3G or 3GS, can't remember which one for a very short time. A week or so, so i don't even bother to include that as it wasn't mine. Then i went to an HTC Desire HD. Then an iphone 4S, then a Galaxy S2, then a Galaxy S3. After that i believe i had something in between and then got the 5S. Had that for about 6 months and then went to i think the Xperia Z2. Then the Z3 and now on the Z5. Next few weeks will be the Galaxy S7 Edge as i got the missus one for her birthday a few weeks ago and it's a really nice phone.

Anything else you would like to know, Date of birth, marriage date? Address?

EDIT:- Here we go..
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1627952

I don't need to know anything about your life but what you have to remember is that what I do know about it has been information given wholly by you, usually without anyone wanting to know.

It is not unreasonable to question what phones you have had if I believe you have said something different in the past.

Would it be fair to say that if I could show the post where you claimed to have the iPhone 4 (and 3GS) it might undermine everything else you say?

I'm starting to get that enjoyment back

Stiggles · 15-11-2016, 16:51

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Originally Posted by kidspud

I don't need to know anything about your life but what you have to remember is that what I do know about it has been information given wholly by you, usually without anyone wanting to know.

It is not unreasonable to question what phones you have had if I believe you have said something different in the past.

Would it be fair to say that if I could show the post where you claimed to have the iPhone 4 (and 3GS) it might undermine everything else you say?

I'm starting to get that enjoyment back

Good for you!

I have owned a 4S which is what the point here was, wasn't it?

kidspud · 15-11-2016, 16:56

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Good for you!

I have owned a 4S which is what the point here was, wasn't it?

So you say, but who knows

Stiggles · 15-11-2016, 16:58

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Originally Posted by kidspud

So you say, but who knows

Well the post with me asking questions about it is there from 4 years ago!

jonmorris · 15-11-2016, 20:23

Does everyone need to list every phone they've owned? I'd certainly have a rather long list!

I must still have over 200-250 devices in my home right now. In some cases, 2 or 3 of the same model and some unboxed that are 10-15 years old.

unique · 16-11-2016, 07:20

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

I wasn't even going to reply to that post since it's full of absolute nonsense, but i had to say this:-

Wow!! You have the damn cheek to pick me up on an autocorrect mistake, and then you **** up the spelling of grammar!!

Brilliant

i thought saying grandma wouldn't be so subtle

as for "nonsense", obviously that's your best answer as you know you are wrong and can't reply with facts

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Yes, but you read what i first put 2 days ago when i entered this discussion:-

At the time i had the iphones, little was better than them. Now most are better. I had the iphone 4S and 5S and they were fine. Now iphones are a bit meh. Absolutely no effort in design and the OS basically looks the same as it did 9 years ago. Very bland indeed.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...&postcount=133

So who's wrong again?

You sir, have received the last reply from me.

you are wrong - again

fortunately, if you are right about your last line we won't have to point out any more of your nonsense as being wrong

Faust · 16-11-2016, 11:17

I still own a 4s though it's no longer used. I was given the iPhone 7 as a gift earlier in the year which the wife now uses. To be perfectly honest I now consider the iPhone to be overpriced and oversold.

I think it now trades on past glories, iOS is looking terribly dated and I'm just glad I have the S7 and the wife has the IP7. This years alleged upgrade was just a joke. Perhaps Apple will get their act together for their 10th Anniversary model.

d123 · 16-11-2016, 12:00

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Originally Posted by Faust

I still own a 4s though it's no longer used. I was given the iPhone 7 as a gift earlier in the year which the wife now uses. To be perfectly honest I now consider the iPhone to be overpriced and oversold.

I think it now trades on past glories, iOS is looking terribly dated and I'm just glad I have the S7 and the wife has the IP7. This years alleged upgrade was just a joke. Perhaps Apple will get their act together for their 10th Anniversary model.

While I would agree with you on the overpricing (but would also point that accusation at other manufacturers like Goggle, Samsung etc) I would disagree with regards to iOS, (that pesky personal preference rearing its ugly head again) as I find iOS easier to use and more intuitive than Android.

iOS is a better OS to use, Android is a better OS to tinker and mess about with, and I say that as a user that uses an iOS device and an Android device on a daily basis (iOS 10 and Marshmallow).

Carl_Latchford · 16-11-2016, 12:24

I am often amused by the stance apple fans take in defending their beloved product. I think we would all objectively agree an 'iphone' standard mobile produced by a non apple company would sink without trace as totally average by todays standards.

tdenson · 16-11-2016, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Carl_Latchford

I am often amused by the stance apple fans take in defending their beloved product. I think we would all objectively agree an 'iphone' standard mobile produced by a non apple company would sink without trace as totally average by todays standards.

Would you care to elaborate on the actual features where you think the iPhone is lacking ?

Stiggles · 16-11-2016, 15:14

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Originally Posted by d123

While I would agree with you on the overpricing (but would also point that accusation at other manufacturers like Goggle, Samsung etc) I would disagree with regards to iOS, (that pesky personal preference rearing its ugly head again) as I find iOS easier to use and more intuitive than Android.

iOS is a better OS to use, Android is a better OS to tinker and mess about with, and I say that as a user that uses an iOS device and an Android device on a daily basis (iOS 10 and Marshmallow).

It's personal opinion that one. I think it's the other way round. iOS is fine, but i find Android better. Looks nicer depending on what you do with it, and it's just as simple now apple ripped off the notification center! I say this as a user of an Android phone, iPad user and macbook pro user. Swings and roundabouts really.

Can you define more intuitive? I've seen this slung about a lot and while it was true years ago (to a point), it is no longer the case.

Faust · 16-11-2016, 15:16

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Originally Posted by d123

While I would agree with you on the overpricing (but would also point that accusation at other manufacturers like Goggle, Samsung etc) I would disagree with regards to iOS, (that pesky personal preference rearing its ugly head again) as I find iOS easier to use and more intuitive than Android.

iOS is a better OS to use, Android is a better OS to tinker and mess about with, and I say that as a user that uses an iOS device and an Android device on a daily basis (iOS 10 and Marshmallow).

Why? please tell us why iOS is easier than Android? I hear this accusation so much and yet have never seen or read anyone fully explain this.

It might have been true - once. However, that was many years ago and if I'm honest I find iOS can be clunkier when trying to get back to a previous screen from inside an app than Android.

Faust · 16-11-2016, 15:22

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Originally Posted by tdenson

Would you care to elaborate on the actual features where you think the iPhone is lacking ?

Lack of expandable storage, average to poor battery life (standard model), slow to charge, non amoled screens, restrictive OS and that's just for starters.

Carl_Latchford · 16-11-2016, 16:59

I would add amongst others low res screens, stunted, lacking or slow to implement basic essential features. Bluetooth, nfc, file sharing, cast to tv etc

In all honesty if any other manufacturer had brought a phone out without a headphone jack it would be mocked into bankruptcy, no?

d123 · 16-11-2016, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Can you define more intuitive? I've seen this slung about a lot and while it was true years ago (to a point), it is no longer the case.

A couple of examples that spring immediately to mind, settings, if I want to change a setting it's as simple as tap settings scroll to what I want, in Android it's slide down from the top to get settings and then search through a myriad of icons which seem to have little relevance as to why they are grouped together to find the icon inside the settings menu to open that sub-menu of the settings to then hopefully find the setting I want.

Sometimes a setting just doesn't exist (or hours of searching doesn't find it), I remember asking about a setting on this forum for a notification setting to stop one of the google apps from making a noise when notifying, which ended up impossible to find and the only solution was to turn all notifications off for the app.

Another one is Music, it's a dogs dinner on Android, add music and go to play it and without having to mess about setting what folders to use it ends up playing ring tones and notification sounds as well as music in the player.

There's plenty of other niggles that annoy me at least weekly, the iPhone just works and needs far less interaction to work as I want it to, my Android phone feels like the naughty ADHD kid that always needs special attention to keep it as I expect it to behave.

d123 · 16-11-2016, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Carl_Latchford

In all honesty if any other manufacturer had brought a phone out without a headphone jack it would be mocked into bankruptcy, no?

You do know that Apple wasn't the first and won't be the last to drop the headphone jack?

Carl_Latchford · 16-11-2016, 17:49

There have been phones without a jack entirely but didn't realise another manufacturer had dropped the headphone jack completely from its range, who is that?

Not sure what others have or haven't done is necessarily the best argument for something but if its all there is.

From the above I can't believe I forgot iTunes

jonmorris · 16-11-2016, 17:59

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Originally Posted by d123

You do know that Apple wasn't the first and won't be the last to drop the headphone jack?

Yes, but USB-C will be the standard everyone goes for. Not Lightning.

d123 · 16-11-2016, 18:18

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

Yes, but USB-C will be the standard everyone goes for. Not Lightning.

True, but in use they are pretty much identical (leaving aside the issue of having 2 competing formats).

d123 · 16-11-2016, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Carl_Latchford

There have been phones without a jack entirely but didn't realise another manufacturer had dropped the headphone jack completely from its range, who is that?

When did Apple drop it from its entire range?

Just like other manufacturers the headphone jack has been dropped on its newest models.

Good or bad idea? probably bad idea in the short term, but it wasn't a reason why I chose not to buy an iPhone 7 or 7 Plus this year...

The point being made is this is not an Apple specific issue.

Stiggles · 16-11-2016, 20:22

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Originally Posted by d123

A couple of examples that spring immediately to mind, settings, if I want to change a setting it's as simple as tap settings scroll to what I want, in Android it's slide down from the top to get settings and then search through a myriad of icons which seem to have little relevance as to why they are grouped together to find the icon inside the settings menu to open that sub-menu of the settings to then hopefully find the setting I want.

I don't get what you mean. Myriad of icons? I pull down the tab, and click the setting cog! How can it be any more simple? Then once in there i click wifi, bluetooth, themes, display etc etc etc...

On the iphone, you only click the settings icon if you have it on the main screen. If not, like other people, they have it in a folder or another screen then its no easier. On Android if it annoys you so much, just stick the settings icon on the home screen!! Simple.

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Sometimes a setting just doesn't exist (or hours of searching doesn't find it), I remember asking about a setting on this forum for a notification setting to stop one of the google apps from making a noise when notifying, which ended up impossible to find and the only solution was to turn all notifications off for the app.

Yeah i remember that, and everyone else had the setting! Seemed to be oddly your phone.

I've never had a setting not be there. But the setting menu on both phones are pretty much the same. All in simple and easy sections.

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Another one is Music, it's a dogs dinner on Android, add music and go to play it and without having to mess about setting what folders to use it ends up playing ring tones and notification sounds as well as music in the player.

Just use a different music client that sorts it out. I use Spotify anyway so doesn't affect me.

Although i would still trawl around a folder than use itunes!

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There's plenty of other niggles that annoy me at least weekly, the iPhone just works and needs far less interaction to work as I want it to, my Android phone feels like the naughty ADHD kid that always needs special attention to keep it as I expect it to behave.

iOS works just as well as Android. I still remember the polava to turn wifi on and off on an iphone before the notification thing. Had to go into settings, something else then turn it on or off. Yet people still said it was intuitive!!

jonmorris · 16-11-2016, 20:29

Whichever way iOS did something, some people would say that was the best way. These people always come unstuck when things change!

There are obviously lots of different UI customisations on Android, so there's not even one clear way of doing things. Some like native Android. Some like TouchWiz, some like EMUI.

It makes it even harder to compare iOS to Android as you'd be doing it on a handset by handset basis.

That can be considered a good or bad thing for Android, depending on your outlook.

d123 · 16-11-2016, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

I don't get what you mean. Myriad of icons? I pull down the tab, and click the setting cog! How can it be any more simple? Then once in there i click wifi, bluetooth, themes, display etc etc etc...

On the iphone, you only click the settings icon if you have it on the main screen. If not, like other people, they have it in a folder or another screen then its no easier. On Android if it annoys you so much, just stick the settings icon on the home screen!! Simple.

This is what is encountered after navigating to settings, scrolling from top to bottom takes 7 screenshots

https://s19.postimg.org/sjury8kib/IMG_5076.png

https://s19.postimg.org/44mjx6llf/IMG_5077.png

https://s19.postimg.org/psbi7mlzn/IMG_5078.png

https://s19.postimg.org/akvin9u4z/IMG_5079.png

https://s19.postimg.org/jtxoxe30z/IMG_5080.png

https://s19.postimg.org/wzhsh8mab/IMG_5086.png

https://s19.postimg.org/p812ioi4z/IMG_5087.png

And, of course, every sub icon has another sub menu, I don't have the time or will to screenshot each sub menu to show you...

(PS: They might not be in order, it was a job and a half just getting the screenshots off the phone and to the image uploader, so no complaints if the order is wrong).

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Yeah i remember that, and everyone else had the setting! Seemed to be oddly your phone.

I've never had a setting not be there. But the setting menu on both phones are pretty much the same. All in simple and easy sections.

Just can't help the snarky, childish comments, can you?

But yes, it was just me.

and the staff in the Three Store and the staff in an EE shop and staff in a Samsung service centre and 4 or 5 other Android users in the office.

Just me, as you say...

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Just use a different music client that sorts it out. I use Spotify anyway so doesn't affect me.

So you didn't really read that I've used every player recommended, including paid for apps? They all work, but with more work required to setup and with poorer sound quality to my ears when compared to the iPhone with the same headphones ranging from EarPods through a set of B&Os and all the way up to a set of Sennheiser HD800's .

I suppose that's what happens when you just want to rabidly defend your chosen OS like a real boi no matter the logic behind it

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Although i would still trawl around a folder than use itunes!

iTunes is crap, but a lot better than it was, I use it as little as possible...

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

iOS works just as well as Android.

True, so why do you feel the need to continually denigrate the one you didn't choose then? Rampant fanboi-ism?

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

I still remember the polava to turn wifi on and off on an iphone before the notification thing. Had to go into settings, something else then turn it on or off. Yet people still said it was intuitive!!

I don't remember, could have been a chore at one stage, how long ago are you talking?

jonmorris · 16-11-2016, 21:36

Those screenshots are of TouchWiz, which is not really like normal Android - although you can change the layout to a list form can't you?

A better comparison would be a Nexus or Pixel phone.

Carl_Latchford · 16-11-2016, 21:37

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Originally Posted by d123

When did Apple drop it from its entire range?

It just isn't worth the effort when this is the level of reply

15-11-2016, 16:38	#176
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles If only it did yes (i hadn't noticed it didn't to be honest!). Might stop this constant questioning you seem to keep doing when you pop out the woodwork every few months..... Wow. Really trying here aren't we! Ok, it goes like this seeing as you love to know so much of my life. I had the HTC phone of some sort which broke. I then got a loan of a 3G or 3GS, can't remember which one for a very short time. A week or so, so i don't even bother to include that as it wasn't mine. Then i went to an HTC Desire HD. Then an iphone 4S, then a Galaxy S2, then a Galaxy S3. After that i believe i had something in between and then got the 5S. Had that for about 6 months and then went to i think the Xperia Z2. Then the Z3 and now on the Z5. Next few weeks will be the Galaxy S7 Edge as i got the missus one for her birthday a few weeks ago and it's a really nice phone. Anything else you would like to know, Date of birth, marriage date? Address? EDIT:- Here we go.. http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1627952 I don't need to know anything about your life but what you have to remember is that what I do know about it has been information given wholly by you, usually without anyone wanting to know. It is not unreasonable to question what phones you have had if I believe you have said something different in the past. Would it be fair to say that if I could show the post where you claimed to have the iPhone 4 (and 3GS) it might undermine everything else you say? I'm starting to get that enjoyment back

15-11-2016, 16:51	#177
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud I don't need to know anything about your life but what you have to remember is that what I do know about it has been information given wholly by you, usually without anyone wanting to know. It is not unreasonable to question what phones you have had if I believe you have said something different in the past. Would it be fair to say that if I could show the post where you claimed to have the iPhone 4 (and 3GS) it might undermine everything else you say? I'm starting to get that enjoyment back Good for you! I have owned a 4S which is what the point here was, wasn't it?

15-11-2016, 16:56	#178
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Good for you! I have owned a 4S which is what the point here was, wasn't it? So you say, but who knows

15-11-2016, 16:58	#179
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud So you say, but who knows Well the post with me asking questions about it is there from 4 years ago!

15-11-2016, 20:23	#180
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Does everyone need to list every phone they've owned? I'd certainly have a rather long list! I must still have over 200-250 devices in my home right now. In some cases, 2 or 3 of the same model and some unboxed that are 10-15 years old.

16-11-2016, 07:20	#181
unique Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,034	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles I wasn't even going to reply to that post since it's full of absolute nonsense, but i had to say this:- Wow!! You have the damn cheek to pick me up on an autocorrect mistake, and then you ** up the spelling of grammar!! Brilliant i thought saying grandma wouldn't be so subtle as for "nonsense", obviously that's your best answer as you know you are wrong and can't reply with facts Quote: Yes, but you read what i first put 2 days ago when i entered this discussion:- At the time i had the iphones, little was better than them. Now most are better. I had the iphone 4S and 5S** and they were fine. Now iphones are a bit meh. Absolutely no effort in design and the OS basically looks the same as it did 9 years ago. Very bland indeed. http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...&postcount=133 So who's wrong again? You sir, have received the last reply from me. you are wrong - again fortunately, if you are right about your last line we won't have to point out any more of your nonsense as being wrong

16-11-2016, 11:17	#182
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	I still own a 4s though it's no longer used. I was given the iPhone 7 as a gift earlier in the year which the wife now uses. To be perfectly honest I now consider the iPhone to be overpriced and oversold. I think it now trades on past glories, iOS is looking terribly dated and I'm just glad I have the S7 and the wife has the IP7. This years alleged upgrade was just a joke. Perhaps Apple will get their act together for their 10th Anniversary model.

16-11-2016, 12:00	#183
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust I still own a 4s though it's no longer used. I was given the iPhone 7 as a gift earlier in the year which the wife now uses. To be perfectly honest I now consider the iPhone to be overpriced and oversold. I think it now trades on past glories, iOS is looking terribly dated and I'm just glad I have the S7 and the wife has the IP7. This years alleged upgrade was just a joke. Perhaps Apple will get their act together for their 10th Anniversary model. While I would agree with you on the overpricing (but would also point that accusation at other manufacturers like Goggle, Samsung etc) I would disagree with regards to iOS, (that pesky personal preference rearing its ugly head again) as I find iOS easier to use and more intuitive than Android. iOS is a better OS to use, Android is a better OS to tinker and mess about with, and I say that as a user that uses an iOS device and an Android device on a daily basis (iOS 10 and Marshmallow).

16-11-2016, 12:24	#184
Carl_Latchford Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 9	I am often amused by the stance apple fans take in defending their beloved product. I think we would all objectively agree an 'iphone' standard mobile produced by a non apple company would sink without trace as totally average by todays standards.

16-11-2016, 15:03	#185
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by Carl_Latchford I am often amused by the stance apple fans take in defending their beloved product. I think we would all objectively agree an 'iphone' standard mobile produced by a non apple company would sink without trace as totally average by todays standards. Would you care to elaborate on the actual features where you think the iPhone is lacking ?

16-11-2016, 15:14	#186
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 While I would agree with you on the overpricing (but would also point that accusation at other manufacturers like Goggle, Samsung etc) I would disagree with regards to iOS, (that pesky personal preference rearing its ugly head again) as I find iOS easier to use and more intuitive than Android. iOS is a better OS to use, Android is a better OS to tinker and mess about with, and I say that as a user that uses an iOS device and an Android device on a daily basis (iOS 10 and Marshmallow). It's personal opinion that one. I think it's the other way round. iOS is fine, but i find Android better. Looks nicer depending on what you do with it, and it's just as simple now apple ripped off the notification center! I say this as a user of an Android phone, iPad user and macbook pro user. Swings and roundabouts really. Can you define more intuitive? I've seen this slung about a lot and while it was true years ago (to a point), it is no longer the case.

16-11-2016, 15:16	#187
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 While I would agree with you on the overpricing (but would also point that accusation at other manufacturers like Goggle, Samsung etc) I would disagree with regards to iOS, (that pesky personal preference rearing its ugly head again) as I find iOS easier to use and more intuitive than Android. iOS is a better OS to use, Android is a better OS to tinker and mess about with, and I say that as a user that uses an iOS device and an Android device on a daily basis (iOS 10 and Marshmallow). Why? please tell us why iOS is easier than Android? I hear this accusation so much and yet have never seen or read anyone fully explain this. It might have been true - once. However, that was many years ago and if I'm honest I find iOS can be clunkier when trying to get back to a previous screen from inside an app than Android.

16-11-2016, 15:22	#188
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by tdenson Would you care to elaborate on the actual features where you think the iPhone is lacking ? Lack of expandable storage, average to poor battery life (standard model), slow to charge, non amoled screens, restrictive OS and that's just for starters.

16-11-2016, 16:59	#189
Carl_Latchford Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 9	I would add amongst others low res screens, stunted, lacking or slow to implement basic essential features. Bluetooth, nfc, file sharing, cast to tv etc In all honesty if any other manufacturer had brought a phone out without a headphone jack it would be mocked into bankruptcy, no?

16-11-2016, 17:07	#190
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Can you define more intuitive? I've seen this slung about a lot and while it was true years ago (to a point), it is no longer the case. A couple of examples that spring immediately to mind, settings, if I want to change a setting it's as simple as tap settings scroll to what I want, in Android it's slide down from the top to get settings and then search through a myriad of icons which seem to have little relevance as to why they are grouped together to find the icon inside the settings menu to open that sub-menu of the settings to then hopefully find the setting I want. Sometimes a setting just doesn't exist (or hours of searching doesn't find it), I remember asking about a setting on this forum for a notification setting to stop one of the google apps from making a noise when notifying, which ended up impossible to find and the only solution was to turn all notifications off for the app. Another one is Music, it's a dogs dinner on Android, add music and go to play it and without having to mess about setting what folders to use it ends up playing ring tones and notification sounds as well as music in the player. There's plenty of other niggles that annoy me at least weekly, the iPhone just works and needs far less interaction to work as I want it to, my Android phone feels like the naughty ADHD kid that always needs special attention to keep it as I expect it to behave.

16-11-2016, 17:09	#191
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by Carl_Latchford In all honesty if any other manufacturer had brought a phone out without a headphone jack it would be mocked into bankruptcy, no? You do know that Apple wasn't the first and won't be the last to drop the headphone jack?

16-11-2016, 17:49	#192
Carl_Latchford Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 9	There have been phones without a jack entirely but didn't realise another manufacturer had dropped the headphone jack completely from its range, who is that? Not sure what others have or haven't done is necessarily the best argument for something but if its all there is. From the above I can't believe I forgot iTunes

16-11-2016, 17:59	#193
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 You do know that Apple wasn't the first and won't be the last to drop the headphone jack? Yes, but USB-C will be the standard everyone goes for. Not Lightning.

16-11-2016, 18:18	#194
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris Yes, but USB-C will be the standard everyone goes for. Not Lightning. True, but in use they are pretty much identical (leaving aside the issue of having 2 competing formats).

16-11-2016, 18:22	#195
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by Carl_Latchford There have been phones without a jack entirely but didn't realise another manufacturer had dropped the headphone jack completely from its range, who is that? When did Apple drop it from its entire range? Just like other manufacturers the headphone jack has been dropped on its newest models. Good or bad idea? probably bad idea in the short term, but it wasn't a reason why I chose not to buy an iPhone 7 or 7 Plus this year... The point being made is this is not an Apple specific issue.

16-11-2016, 20:22	#196
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 A couple of examples that spring immediately to mind, settings, if I want to change a setting it's as simple as tap settings scroll to what I want, in Android it's slide down from the top to get settings and then search through a myriad of icons which seem to have little relevance as to why they are grouped together to find the icon inside the settings menu to open that sub-menu of the settings to then hopefully find the setting I want. I don't get what you mean. Myriad of icons? I pull down the tab, and click the setting cog! How can it be any more simple? Then once in there i click wifi, bluetooth, themes, display etc etc etc... On the iphone, you only click the settings icon if you have it on the main screen. If not, like other people, they have it in a folder or another screen then its no easier. On Android if it annoys you so much, just stick the settings icon on the home screen!! Simple. Quote: Sometimes a setting just doesn't exist (or hours of searching doesn't find it), I remember asking about a setting on this forum for a notification setting to stop one of the google apps from making a noise when notifying, which ended up impossible to find and the only solution was to turn all notifications off for the app. Yeah i remember that, and everyone else had the setting! Seemed to be oddly your phone. I've never had a setting not be there. But the setting menu on both phones are pretty much the same. All in simple and easy sections. Quote: Another one is Music, it's a dogs dinner on Android, add music and go to play it and without having to mess about setting what folders to use it ends up playing ring tones and notification sounds as well as music in the player. Just use a different music client that sorts it out. I use Spotify anyway so doesn't affect me. Although i would still trawl around a folder than use itunes! Quote: There's plenty of other niggles that annoy me at least weekly, the iPhone just works and needs far less interaction to work as I want it to, my Android phone feels like the naughty ADHD kid that always needs special attention to keep it as I expect it to behave. iOS works just as well as Android. I still remember the polava to turn wifi on and off on an iphone before the notification thing. Had to go into settings, something else then turn it on or off. Yet people still said it was intuitive!!

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16-11-2016, 20:29	#197
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Whichever way iOS did something, some people would say that was the best way. These people always come unstuck when things change! There are obviously lots of different UI customisations on Android, so there's not even one clear way of doing things. Some like native Android. Some like TouchWiz, some like EMUI. It makes it even harder to compare iOS to Android as you'd be doing it on a handset by handset basis. That can be considered a good or bad thing for Android, depending on your outlook.

16-11-2016, 21:30	#198
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles I don't get what you mean. Myriad of icons? I pull down the tab, and click the setting cog! How can it be any more simple? Then once in there i click wifi, bluetooth, themes, display etc etc etc... On the iphone, you only click the settings icon if you have it on the main screen. If not, like other people, they have it in a folder or another screen then its no easier. On Android if it annoys you so much, just stick the settings icon on the home screen!! Simple. This is what is encountered after navigating to settings, scrolling from top to bottom takes 7 screenshots https://s19.postimg.org/sjury8kib/IMG_5076.png https://s19.postimg.org/44mjx6llf/IMG_5077.png https://s19.postimg.org/psbi7mlzn/IMG_5078.png https://s19.postimg.org/akvin9u4z/IMG_5079.png https://s19.postimg.org/jtxoxe30z/IMG_5080.png https://s19.postimg.org/wzhsh8mab/IMG_5086.png https://s19.postimg.org/p812ioi4z/IMG_5087.png And, of course, every sub icon has another sub menu, I don't have the time or will to screenshot each sub menu to show you... (PS: They might not be in order, it was a job and a half just getting the screenshots off the phone and to the image uploader, so no complaints if the order is wrong). Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Yeah i remember that, and everyone else had the setting! Seemed to be oddly your phone. I've never had a setting not be there. But the setting menu on both phones are pretty much the same. All in simple and easy sections. Just can't help the snarky, childish comments, can you? But yes, it was just me. and the staff in the Three Store and the staff in an EE shop and staff in a Samsung service centre and 4 or 5 other Android users in the office. Just me, as you say... Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Just use a different music client that sorts it out. I use Spotify anyway so doesn't affect me. So you didn't really read that I've used every player recommended, including paid for apps? They all work, but with more work required to setup and with poorer sound quality to my ears when compared to the iPhone with the same headphones ranging from EarPods through a set of B&Os and all the way up to a set of Sennheiser HD800's . I suppose that's what happens when you just want to rabidly defend your chosen OS like a real boi no matter the logic behind it . Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Although i would still trawl around a folder than use itunes! iTunes is crap, but a lot better than it was, I use it as little as possible... Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles iOS works just as well as Android. True, so why do you feel the need to continually denigrate the one you didn't choose then? Rampant fanboi-ism? Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles I still remember the polava to turn wifi on and off on an iphone before the notification thing. Had to go into settings, something else then turn it on or off. Yet people still said it was intuitive!! I don't remember, could have been a chore at one stage, how long ago are you talking?

16-11-2016, 21:36	#199
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Those screenshots are of TouchWiz, which is not really like normal Android - although you can change the layout to a list form can't you? A better comparison would be a Nexus or Pixel phone.

16-11-2016, 21:37	#200
Carl_Latchford Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 9	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 When did Apple drop it from its entire range? It just isn't worth the effort when this is the level of reply