It's a good point, and something the iOS fan and all the Android fanboys on the forum just won't (can't?) comprehend, they'll argue black is white and up is down if they think it suits their perspective.

It's Android, Jon, you can't really pick and choose, not to mention it's actually the predominant version of Android, you can't say let's take this niche version of 5% and pretend it's the way all Android phones work and ignore the 95% which are sold with a skin.


Question too hard for you? Should I try and rephrase to make it easier?

Or why not take a few minutes to let the question sink in, perhaps with some help and then attempt an answer?

No don't think I shall bother, every response you post here is just deflection or selective misdirection. Life too short to get bogged down with such devoted fanboy logic.

There is only fanboy in this 2 way conversation and it isn't me.

Why can't you answer the question? It was a simple one...

Loads of Samsung users hate TouchWiz, and it has changed loads since your examples. It really isn't a fair comparison and I bet all the other phones added up outnumber Samsung sales as a whole too.

I don't use Samsung phones because I hated TouchWiz, although I'll acknowledge it has improved on the S7 and then the Note 7. It no longer slows things to a crawl for one.

As I said life too short for the level of pedantry you require to be injected into every conversation, simply to misdirect and bore people into submission.

regardless of what some select few manufacturers have done with some select models, unless apple are to bring the 3.5 jack back (unlikely, I think agreed?) it has now been removed from their entire range.

A pedantic debate over existing handsets already built, as an example of how it hasn't been removed, is exactly where fanboys wish to direct debate until it is stifled.

It's Marshmallow 6.01 so is still current (and even more advanced than probably at least 50% of Android phones in use), and I can't remember the settings pages being any different on the S7 I was using about 2 weeks ago,

But at the risk of sounding like a stuck record, it's STILL Android, last years version doesn't suddenly become Tizen or Symbian, you're trying to excuse it by again pointing to 5% and saying "but this is Android, nothing else counts".

It also circuits back to the old argument of fragmentation and lack of core UI control that Google should be enforcing.

No, it hasn't, go and look at Apple.com and see what the current range that is in sale is.

Come back and tell everyone what the current range of Apple products on sale is once you've done that.


You are rather argumentative and aggressive for a very new user, are you the reiteration of someone who was also very argumentative and aggressive that was banned?

I see more pedantic reasoning in a mobile phone thread, dear me.

And it seems the last level of deflection is now personal insults, you certainly are one to avoid.

Personal insults? Where? I was just clarifying if you could possibly be a new username for an old user who posted in a remarkably similar way.

PS
Have you checked if the entire Apple range really is now headphone jack free?

Why on earth do you have it like that?!!! Just change it to list order!!! What phone is it?

Also even the iphone/ipad has sub menus. Not sure why you are singling Android out for this!


Snarky comments?

People showed you screenshots and told you they didn't experience that same thing.


Every player recommended yeah? I just tried VLC there and i can choose the folders to exclude. Whats the issue here? Yes, it isn't ideal but lets not forget it makes it slightly easier to use any music file you like for a ringtone instead of the daft way you have to do it with apple. Both have their issues.

You arent the only ones with expensive cans, i use the HD800's, a pair of Bose QC35's and a pair of B&W P7's and noticed no difference in sound quality there between the native player and VLC.


I have plenty logic behind it. The one thing i don't have is a chosen OS. If iOS tomorrow offered me something better, i would use it. Right now, it doesn't. I use (to many apple nuts horror) windows 10 on my mac for many things. I use OS Sierra for when i cant be arsed booting into windows. I also use Linux.


I'll agree there. I havent even opened it once on my macbook.


Except i'm not. Just because i (using both) disagree with some of the things you are saying, does not mean i am a fanboy.

I don't do brand loyalty and never have. I think my mix of Apple devices and Android devices shows this. Even household things i don't do brand loyalty. I have Sony, samsung, LG etc. Nothing is the same!


Before the notification center. So not that long ago.

Still going are we insult to deflect, you really don't like people challenging you do you I wonder if you have to be an old user then to end up so annoying. You clearly would be better off in a MAc thread where there is no disagreement for you.

To clarify a mobile phone thread all references should be considered in that vein, although this is proving difficult for you I see.

I will leave you to your pedantry anyway have fun.

No, but you can change it like i said to list order so it's not like that. So then it becomes like the stock version of Android (which is the normal way) and the way iOS does it as well.

Stiggles, you've borked the multiposts, so it's pretty hard to work out what's what in your reply.

Are we closer to agreeing both systems are good and personal preference makes one seem better?

PS
Just noticed, you mentioned stock player and VLC, I agree both sounded similar on Android, my comparison was between iOS music player and the others, I did say it was only my ears opinion though and YMMV....

Well done, I wonder why none of the resident Android experts (that I deal with at work and irl) have never mentioned it (and one even had his new phone in the same huge balls-up as my screenshots ).

I have found the sub menu hidden behind the 3 dots to change that, so you've done your good deed for the day .

That does look better...

Fixed it. Sorry about that!! Trying to watch Star Trek Beyond at the same time

Of course both are good, but i don't think one is easier than the other. The way you have the setting on your Android phone is weird and to be honest that would drive me insane. Just change it to list mode i think its called.

You are welcome

This is the settings menu on Emotion UI:

https://goo.gl/photos/64TrAbp9WSqkhjwk6

Seems pretty easy to navigate to me, and not far off native Android:

https://goo.gl/photos/Gni8F25pyeZsQDbFA

Many phones, probably adding up to more than the number of TouchWiz phones, look like that.

The underlying OS doesn't matter when you're simply trying to change things. Despite each running on Symbian, Series 60 and UIQ were a world apart, for example.

The way it was is the default, I've chosen Tab view, much easier with a shortish list and left/right swipes to each sub section. Much more logical and easy to navigate.

I genuinely don't recognise the Android you describe at all. I have a settings icon on my home screen just like iOS. I press it and there are settings - again just like iOS. From there I select what I want in easy to use intuitive icons. iOS isn't all plain sailing in settings either as you suggest. There are plenty of sub-menus to go through.

Another issue with iOS, iTunes and Apple Music. That can be a right dogs dinner. I don't keep any music on my S7 it's all on Play Music and work flawlessly - what's not to like?

I think this is more about 'user fail' than anything else. I think many in the industry will tell you that currently Android is the more innovative OS.

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I have looked at your many screen shots. What the hell is that? Why all those pages of icons, mine is in a readily readable list. You make life difficult for 'yourself' and then complain it's the product?

I hated TouchWiz when I had a GS2 and stayed away from Samsung for a while because of that one issue. However, given I had the opportunity to purchase a virtually brand new S7 for silly money I bought it. I haven't been disappointed either. TouchWiz has a much lighter touch (pardon the pun) than it used to have. I now find it quite enjoyable.

It would help if you read all the new posts in a thread before commenting.

But let's rehash a little, that's the default view on my android phone on Marshmallow 6.01, which we later discovered could be changed.

Why not go back and read all of last nights posts for all the detail?

The Music app on iOS 10 is a pile of dog shit. Very bad comparison.

When I buy a pair of shoes the laces are often threaded through just a couple of eyelets then tied. However, that is not the way I use them. When I buy or build a computer I spend a little time personalising it, same with a phone. Do you not do similar?

It looks like TouchWiz and I have TouchWiz with Marshmallow 6.0.1 and believe me when I tell you mine looks nothing like that - it's all in a vertical LIST.