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New TV & Humax Foxsat
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I currently own a Humax Foxsat which allows me to receive all the Freesat programs. It is fed by two cables from the dish, and this all works very well. However, I'm getting a new Samsung KS7500 TV which has a Freesat tuner, but as far as I can see only one input connection. Assuming that I want to continue running the Humax through the HMDI connection, what can I do to take advantage of the TV tuner. I think the dish can cater for 4 cables. If I connect a third cable from the dish to the TV. Would this be an advantage? Would I be able to watch stations that would not normally be available because of clashes on the Humax. Any advice offered would be gratefully received Thanks in advance Robert |
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If you want to record two satellite channels at once on the Humax while watching a third on the TV you will need the extra cable. Otherwise just leave one existing cable on the Humax and move the other one to the TV.
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If you want to record two satellite channels at once on the Humax while watching a third on the TV you will need the extra cable. Otherwise just leave one existing cable on the Humax and move the other one to the TV.
With the box in full sby the TV will have access to all the channels. With it on or recording in sby the TV can use any channel with the same polarisation (horizontal/vertical) and in the same band (low/high) as the Foxsat tuner 1 is using. As most channels are low band a little more than 50% of the available channels will be available to the TV in this condition. Also bear in mind the Foxsat itself has 3rd channel viewing options while recording two. You can download a list of freesat channels sorted by band and polarisation from the links here. https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/what...-1-or-2-cables Other alternative is to run the Foxsat in single cable twin tuner mode. Use the tuner 2 cable to feed the TV and connect tuner 1 out to tuner 2 in. A factory reset will be needed to switch the box into single cable mode. The recording restrictions of operating in this mode are detailed at the above link. I feed a Freesat Panasonic TV using method 1 incidentally. Connecting one of the two spare lnb outputs to the TV will of course remove all restrictions. You may find that the first method works OK for you. |
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Thank you both for the replies.
@ Graham Are you saying that the option of another cable is the most versatile? Could I record two programs on the Humax and watch a third, regardless of the polarisation, on the TV? Thirdly, to watch on the TV tuner, is it a simple case of changing the AV input? If I used your option 1, would I be able to receive everything I can now, or would I lose some function Sorry to be a pain, just a bit confused Robert |
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To avaoid any clashes and doubt the best option, if you have a Quad Lnb on the dish is to run a separate cable to the TV. That way the the box will function exactly as it does now and you will be able to leave it alone while watching a Freesat channel on the TV.
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Thank you, victorslot
I understand that Robert |
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Please see this link. It seems to indicate there are two sat. inputs. What difference would this make to what has been said before https://www.dropbox.com/s/urhoukhiw8...ngsat.png?dl=0 Thank you Robert |
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Thank you both for the replies.
@ Graham Are you saying that the option of another cable is the most versatile? Could I record two programs on the Humax and watch a third, regardless of the polarisation, on the TV? Thirdly, to watch on the TV tuner, is it a simple case of changing the AV input? If I used your option 1, would I be able to receive everything I can now, or would I lose some function Sorry to be a pain, just a bit confused Robert Option 1 will not affect the way the foxsat works in any way. It just means some channels will not be accessible on the TV satellite tuner 24/7. You can try it out for next to nothing. To understand what's going on you need a little understanding of how a dish and it's lnb works. The dish is a focused radio mirror that concentrates microwave signals from the satellites. These are collected by the lnb feed horn. These signals are too high a frequency to be carried by coax cables so they have to be downshifted to a lower frequency. This frequency known as the IF (intermediate frequency) goes down the coax to the satellite tuners. Because at the time tuners could not handle the whole of the KA band in one lump it is split into two frequency bands. The tuner tells the lnb using a signalling tone which band the channel it wants it is in using a ac tone. To allow more channels to fit in the same space each transponder (one frequency carrying multiple channels) is polarised horizontally and the next vertically and so on. The tuner has also tell the lnb if the channel is vertical or horizontal (uses different DC voltages). You should now realise that the tuner and lnb have to communicate with each other and that there are four possible combinations. Only one tuner can control the lnb but all the channels in that combination can be passed on to tuners that have no control. When the Foxsat is on or recording it's tuner 1 controls the lnb segment it is connected to so decides what channels the TV sat tuner can use (usually a little more than 50% of the total). When in sby the TV sat tuner has full control so it can use all the channels. Remember this has no effect on the Freeview channels your TV can use, so having to use the sat tuner is not going to be used that often. Giving the TV sat tuner a feed from the dish will give it full control 24/7 but with Freeview-HD on tap plus the 3rd channels you always have from the Foxsat how often would you need it ? I imagine the TV will be able to record from Freeview to a USB drive anyway. If you download this file and open it in your web browser you can see the 4 combinations (In Col 5) https://www.adrive.com/public/t3jBkt...ticMK2_011.htm |
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Graham
Thank you for the explanation. The Sat link is especially important to us as we do not have a TV aerial. So it is important for me to get set up correctly. The link I posted above shows the Sat connection to the TV. Does this mean I could connect a twin cable to the TV. If so, what difference would it make. Thanks Robert |
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Thank you for the explanation. The Sat link is especially important to us as we do not have a TV aerial. So it is important for me to get set up correctly. The link I posted above shows the Sat connection to the TV. Does this mean I could connect a twin cable to the TV. If so, what difference would it make. Thanks Robert All the images I have seen of the actual TV show it has a separate box with the HDMI and RF connectors on. They all show a single F-Type connector for satellite. For example this review https://www.avforums.com/review/sams...v-review.12590 |
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I suspect the TV satellite tuner will not be a Freesat certified one, rather a generic DVB-S2 design. If so there will be no familiar freesat epg, or the usual Freesat logical channel numbers. Generally only now and next epg and only manually set timers for recording. If the OP is prepared to add a third coax, the same coax could be used to add a terrestrial aerial (if in a decent area a tiny VM log may well do the job) which would add some channels you cannot get free to air on satellite.
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Thank you, chrisjr for the very useful review, and Graham for the reply.
The sat tuner is advertised as a Freesat tuner so I was expecting it to act in the same way as the Humax. Am I wrong in thinking that? |
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Thank you, chrisjr for the very useful review, and Graham for the reply.
The sat tuner is advertised as a Freesat tuner so I was expecting it to act in the same way as the Humax. Am I wrong in thinking that? http://www.freesat.co.uk/get-freesat...-hd-tvs/316330 - Richer Sounds say it is not a freetime model. The Samsung (European) spec says two sat inputs but a Graham says the UK model may or may not be different. Richer sounds also says you can record (to a USB device I presume). |
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Thank you, chrisjr for the very useful review, and Graham for the reply.
The sat tuner is advertised as a Freesat tuner so I was expecting it to act in the same way as the Humax. Am I wrong in thinking that? The published specs for Samsung TV's are often sparse in detail especially for sets with a different spec for different parts of Europe. |
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Thanks
Would you clarify "full standby" please. Thanks also to REPASSAC for the helpful input and link |
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Would you clarify "full standby" please. Thanks also to REPASSAC for the helpful input and link Following being placed in standby It may take a minute or two for the unit to go into low power mode, If you have a power monitor then on a Foxsat this is < 1W. |
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Would you clarify "full standby" please. Thanks also to REPASSAC for the helpful input and link The Humax box passes the signals on LNB 1 input to an output socket which can feed your TV. If it is in the low power standby mode the internal amplifier that splits the signal on LNB 1 to the box's tuner and this output socket is switched off, so there is no signal on the output socket and hence no reception on the TV. The higher power standby mode leaves the amplifier on so the output works. |
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So am I right to think that a blank TV screen = full standby mode providing it is not within 15 minutes of a scheduled recording. And within 15 mins of a scheduled recording it's it in the higher mode.
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So am I right to think that a blank TV screen = full standby mode providing it is not within 15 minutes of a scheduled recording. And within 15 mins of a scheduled recording it's it in the higher mode.
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Most modern electronic kit has two standby modes. One, which may be the default state, turns just about everything off bar the remote control sensor. The other state leaves more parts of the box active at the expense of slightly higher electricity consumption.
The Humax box passes the signals on LNB 1 input to an output socket which can feed your TV. If it is in the low power standby mode the internal amplifier that splits the signal on LNB 1 to the box's tuner and this output socket is switched off, so there is no signal on the output socket and hence no reception on the TV. The higher power standby mode leaves the amplifier on so the output works. |
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Thank you
I have one more question. If I route the sat signal through the Humax will the picture of any incoming 4K program show as a 4K picture on the TV, or will the Humax downsize to 1920x1080? Thanks again |
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If I route the sat signal through the Humax will the picture of any incoming 4K program show as a 4K picture on the TV, or will the Humax downsize to 1920x1080?
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Thank you
I have one more question. If I route the sat signal through the Humax will the picture of any incoming 4K program show as a 4K picture on the TV, or will the Humax downsize to 1920x1080? Thanks again Try channel 998 on the TV Freesat epg. If the 4K test isn't on 998 then you may be able to view it using non freesat mode. 12441 V DVB-S2 QPSK 29500 3/4 |
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Thanks Graham
But you have confused me a bit. To be in full standby the Humax is effectively off, in which case the TV screen is blank. So how can I expect to get a picture "passed through". When the AV selection on the TV is set to Humax there is nothing on the screen when the Humax is off, and you say I wouldn't get a 4K picture if it on. I don't understand the bit about "straight in/out link" A layman's explanation would be appreciated. Channel 998 doesn't work in any mode for me Thanks again |
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Thanks Graham
But you have confused me a bit. To be in full standby the Humax is effectively off, in which case the TV screen is blank. So how can I expect to get a picture "passed through". When the AV selection on the TV is set to Humax there is nothing on the screen when the Humax is off, and you say I wouldn't get a 4K picture if it on. I don't understand the bit about "straight in/out link" A layman's explanation would be appreciated. Channel 998 doesn't work in any mode for me Thanks again Are you sure the TV has a Freesat tuner, all the reviews I can find don't mention it and it's not listed on the Freesat site either. http://www.freesat.co.uk/get-freesat EDIT Richer Sounds spec says it has Freesat. Turn on the TV and run the auto setup programme. Do not select any external inputs. |
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