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Wiskas2
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“The Poppy itself commemorates all war dead including civilians and all nationalities. The White poppy is a political statement rather than a commemorative symbol. That is why I did not have any respect for the Irish dancer who did not wear a Poppy, it showed disrespect to the many Irish soldiers who died in both World Wars - some having to serve under aliases because of hostility in Ireland and even support for the Nazis.”

A lot of people in the six counties choose not to wear a poppy. My father was in the RAF in the war (we're Irish) and would never wear a poppy. He would not have seen it as disrespectful not to wear one.

Ireland was neutral in the war, some people may have supported the Nazis but so too did people in England. Some people choose to wear the poppy as a mark of respect for all those who die in war - doesn't matter whether they are English, Irish, German or Italian, or any other nationality. They are all, usually, young people who died, and that's sad.

I wear a purple poppy, which marks all the animals killed in war. I will never wear a red poppy.
Ann_Dancer
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Bearcub:
“The poppy is a symbol of remembrance and hope. Nationality shouldn't come in to it.

Wearing a poppy should always be personal choice. It is meaningless if made compulsory.”

This says all I would want to say.
Dervlathedog
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“A lot of people in the six counties choose not to wear a poppy. My father was in the RAF in the war (we're Irish) and would never wear a poppy. He would not have seen it as disrespectful not to wear one.

Ireland was neutral in the war, some people may have supported the Nazis but so too did people in England. Some people choose to wear the poppy as a mark of respect for all those who die in war - doesn't matter whether they are English, Irish, German or Italian, or any other nationality. They are all, usually, young people who died, and that's sad.

I wear a purple poppy, which marks all the animals killed in war. I will never wear a red poppy.”

The founders of the Daily Mail, for example.

I hadn't heard of the purple poppy. Must look them up
Dervlathedog
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by chachaclo:
“I choose not to wear a red poppy. Occasionally I will wear a white one. I have many reasons, one major one being the British legion's own statement from their website " The Legion advocates a specific type of Remembrance connected to the British Armed Forces, those who were killed, those who fought with them and alongside them."

I do not agree with this selective remembrance and cannot in good conscience support it. I believe we should remember all nationalities, civilians and concisentiois objectors- many of whom were executed as traitors.

I find it far more disgusting that newspapers who will harass any public figure not wearing a poppy and who will proudly splash a poppy on thier masthead run prejudiced stories, with little basis in fact, demonising and inciting hatred towards children fleeing war on the same front page. That will publish comments that celebrate the deaths of innocent people (Katie Hopkins anyone?). Never forget the Daily Mail supported Hitler and British fascists and afaik has never apologised for doing so.

If this is 'disrespectful' then yes I'm disrespectful. I refuse to respect such a system and it's ideologies. I feel the best way to honour those whose lives were stolen by war is to work towards peace and to support all those currently affected by war.”

Love you
Pretzel
06-11-2016
I'm pro choice but personally I think that it looks a bit silly to have the dancers wear poppies attached to their costumes when dancing. As someone pointed out earlier in this thread the wearing of poppies used to be only observed when dressed in outdoor clothing, and not indoors unless the occasion fits, and certainly not when prancing around on an entertainment show.

Remembering the war dead by doing an Argentinian Tango on a Saturday night TV show seems a bit I dunno, weird to me. Not that I'm singling out Kevin and Louise, the same would apply yo all the dances. But that's just me...their choice and all that (if it is their choice)
Wiskas2
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“The founders of the Daily Mail, for example.

I hadn't heard of the purple poppy. Must look them up”

And several members of the Royal Family and aristocracy.

We got our purple poppies from Animal Aid. I have a felt one and a little enamelled one.
hilary2329
06-11-2016
As he now lives in the UK I think it's of the greatest credit to Giovanni that he wears a poppy for remembrance
I'm afraid I fail to see the point of starting this thread?
Eittol96
06-11-2016
I finding it interesting that no one has mentioned the fact that Ore did not wear a poppy for his performance - but was seen wearing one in the VT. Probably due to the risk of injuring Joanne during the lifts.
Dervlathedog
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“And several members of the Royal Family and aristocracy.

We got our purple poppies from Animal Aid. I have a felt one and a little enamelled one.”

Thank you!

Looks like they've moved to a purple paw print now to escape the poppy narrative (animals as 'valiant servants') and to support animals all year round.

https://www.animalaidshop.org.uk/acc...e-purple-poppy

I'll find something there to support animal aid for sure
roseblue1
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by hilary2329:
“As he now lives in the UK I think it's of the greatest credit to Giovanni that he wears a poppy for remembrance
I'm afraid I fail to see the point of starting this thread?”

I agree with you...thought it was respectful....as for starting the thread I do not see the point as well.
What name??
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Because the poppy fascists would complain if he didn't.”

But Italy was actually fascist so you'd think they'd sympathise with him.

It is a bit odd and inappropriate to make even international guests wear them. But it shows how little meaning there is left i wearing it.
Wiskas2
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“I agree with you...thought it was respectful....as for starting the thread I do not see the point as well.”

I think the thread has raised some interesting points, some genuine questions about this multicultural country, and there's been very polite discussions about what the poppy means and how it's viewed by the Establishment ( in this case, the BBC). For those reasons alone, I think it's been worthwhile.
Chiltons Cane
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“The founders of the Daily Mail, for example.

I hadn't heard of the purple poppy. Must look them up”

Purple poppy is the one i choose to wear.
Pretzel
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by hilary2329:
“As he now lives in the UK I think it's of the greatest credit to Giovanni that he wears a poppy for remembrance
I'm afraid I fail to see the point of starting this thread?”

Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“I agree with you...thought it was respectful....as for starting the thread I do not see the point as well.”

I 'don't see the point' of a lot of threads on DS but to be fair that's probably because thier subject doesn't interest me.

I've always found the poppy wearing on TV and Strictly in particular a little bit OTT and even though it's strayed from Giovanni I think that it's a valid point by the OP and this has turned into an interesting debate.
chachaclo
06-11-2016
Bruno wears one every year too, interesting the OP didn't mention him.
aggs
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“Purple poppy is the one i choose to wear.”

Ive got a purple paw print - is that the same?
poppyr
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by chachaclo:
“I choose not to wear a red poppy. Occasionally I will wear a white one. I have many reasons, one major one being the British legion's own statement from their website " The Legion advocates a specific type of Remembrance connected to the British Armed Forces, those who were killed, those who fought with them and alongside them."

I do not agree with this selective remembrance and cannot in good conscience support it. I believe we should remember all nationalities, civilians and concisentiois objectors- many of whom were executed as traitors.

I find it far more disgusting that newspapers who will harass any public figure not wearing a poppy and who will proudly splash a poppy on thier masthead run prejudiced stories, with little basis in fact, demonising and inciting hatred towards children fleeing war on the same front page. That will publish comments that celebrate the deaths of innocent people (Katie Hopkins anyone?). Never forget the Daily Mail supported Hitler and British fascists and afaik has never apologised for doing so.

If this is 'disrespectful' then yes I'm disrespectful. I refuse to respect such a system and it's ideologies. I feel the best way to honour those whose lives were stolen by war is to work towards peace and to support all those currently affected by war.”

FANTASTIC POST!!!
Wiskas2
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“Thank you!

Looks like they've moved to a purple paw print now to escape the poppy narrative (animals as 'valiant servants') and to support animals all year round.

https://www.animalaidshop.org.uk/acc...e-purple-poppy

I'll find something there to support animal aid for sure ”

Vale Wildlife Hospital are selling enamel ones on ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Purple-Pop...-/281926201797
Wiskas2
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Ive got a purple paw print - is that the same?”

It is, Aggs, that's the new version that can be worn all year round.
aggs
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“Vale Wildlife Hospital are selling enamel ones on ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Purple-Pop...-/281926201797”

Right, I'll have one of those as well.
poppyr
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“A lot of people in the six counties choose not to wear a poppy. My father was in the RAF in the war (we're Irish) and would never wear a poppy. He would not have seen it as disrespectful not to wear one.

Ireland was neutral in the war, some people may have supported the Nazis but so too did people in England. Some people choose to wear the poppy as a mark of respect for all those who die in war - doesn't matter whether they are English, Irish, German or Italian, or any other nationality. They are all, usually, young people who died, and that's sad.

I wear a purple poppy, which marks all the animals killed in war. I will never wear a red poppy.”

I have only just found out about purple poppies through friends who run a wildlife hospital, what a great idea I'll be purchasing one. Animals have no choice about going to war unlike people nowadays who choose to join the armed forces. My dad and two uncles had virtually no choice either, they were conscripted during World War 2. They were all pacifists until the day they died because of their horrific experiences and would never wear a poppy.
Fuchsia Groan
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Maybe he was just trying to be nice and respectful and adopted a tradition of the host country he's living in at the moment.”

Indeed - or he might have worn it in remembrance of the estimated 50,000 or so members of the Italian resistance who died during WW2. You just never know, do you?
lundavra
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“His name was Tristan and it showed no such thing . He has a choice whether he rembers the dead in his way or wears a poppy to let the rest of us know
Why do you need to be reassured that Tristan is remembering the dead ? Then the poppy is only an outward symbol and doesnt make your remembering any more valid .”

He has a choice just as I have a choice not to respect him for it.
Sarah777
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Bearcub:
“The poppy is a symbol of remembrance and hope. Nationality shouldn't come in to it.

Wearing a poppy should always be personal choice. It is meaningless if made compulsory.”

Totally agree. People shouldn't be judged on the poppy display or the lack of it. Different people contribute and remember, in different ways.
lundavra
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Bib it did no such thing..

The fact you think it should be enforced is ridiculous”

Where did I write that it should be 'enforced', I just said I had no respect for him.
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