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Saara's sing-off performance (week 5)
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HeavySaurus
07-11-2016
Originally Posted by Hackettboy:
“Don't like her at all she is too smug ,ok voice but desperate to be liked she has been around Europe trying to find fame sorry but it ain't going to happen”

It could though. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it never will. The overwhelming majority of currently popular artists and bands have had a long slog working tiny venues and developing as artists before anything happens. The 1975 for example were playing together for 10 years before their first EP in 2012.

A lot of names seem to just appear from nowhere and go big practically overnight, but that's hardly ever what actually has happened. There's usually years and years of hard work behind that 'overnight' success. The ones who make it are the ones who don't give up because it wasn't instant.
zx50
07-11-2016
The video below shows just how good Saara is when she's relaxed. 1:05 on the counter. What a voice. I'm assuming it's in her own language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jfHHHP238M
Taintedmeat
07-11-2016
You fans need to stop voting for her as you are prolonging her suffering. She needs to be put out her misery as she is not liked here.

If you ran over a deer and it was suffering in pain unable to move would you kill it or leave it to die slowly ?
NE5
07-11-2016
The rest of the contestants didnt look tloo happy when.she won the sing off...is she not very well liked
HeavySaurus
07-11-2016
Originally Posted by Taintedmeat:
“You fans need to stop voting for her as you are prolonging her suffering. She needs to be put out her misery as she is not liked here.

If you ran over a deer and it was suffering in pain unable to move would you kill it or leave it to die slowly ?”

I don't see her suffering, she seems to be having a great time and enjoying the experience. No misery there to be put out of.
Isotope
07-11-2016
Saara seems very fluent in English, but one reason she might struggle to engage the British audience and seem a bit 'distant' could be because underpressure she has to think a little longer to translate her Finnish thoughts to English.

There are structural differences between Finnish and English (I know well, being Finnglish) and different way of expressing yourself in each language that don't translate, so a literal word to word translation often doesn't make sense. The only way to get around this is to either 'think' in the other language so it comes out fluently or take a little longer to structure the sentence in a way that makes sense. Not sure if I've explained it well. But I've noticed her speech is becoming more natural as the weeks go by and she spends more time in England and more immersed in English 'thought', which would support this.
All Of Me
07-11-2016
Originally Posted by nick1990:
“Unless you have insider knowledge of the voting results, then we don't know if she has ever been in the bottom 2.”

The sing off is between two contestants who are in the bottom two that's the format.
HeavySaurus
07-11-2016
Originally Posted by All Of Me:
“The sing off is between two contestants who are in the bottom two that's the format.”

Well, it isn't. It's bottom 3, one saved by lifeline vote, and then the sing off. She could well have been third from the bottom every time she's ended up in the sing off.
CaptainSensible
07-11-2016
Bottom 2 in the vote v Bottom 2 after one of the contestants in the bottom 3 (in the vote) has been saved by the lifeline vote

We don't know how many times any of the contestants in the bottom 3 (in the vote) have actually been in the bottom 2 (in the vote)

Not that it matters much anyway; I'll be surprised if Saara manages to take out anyone apart from Ryan in a sing off (maybe 5AM and Sam are maybes)
All Of Me
07-11-2016
Originally Posted by HeavySaurus:
“Well, it isn't. It's bottom 3, one saved by lifeline vote, and then the sing off. She could well have been third from the bottom every time she's ended up in the sing off.”

The bottom three don't have a sing off though it's always the bottom two and always has been.
zx50
07-11-2016
Originally Posted by NE5:
“The rest of the contestants didnt look tloo happy when.she won the sing off...is she not very well liked”

Or a bit of clever editing?
JustSome1
07-11-2016
She does seem like a bit of a diva to me, too. That's never stopped someone from becoming a successful artist though. It does hurt your chances in a reality show, so I think it's definitely a factor in the results, but I don't think it bothers her too much as she's basically already won by getting this far. Now she's just enjoying the ride and trying to get as far as she can while staying true to who she is (wink).

After the show I don't think the music industry cares how many votes she got, as she doesn't aim to be a teen idol.
wise-up
07-11-2016
Originally Posted by Taintedmeat:
“You fans need to stop voting for her as you are prolonging her suffering. She needs to be put out her misery as she is not liked here.

If you ran over a deer and it was suffering in pain unable to move would you kill it or leave it to die slowly ?”

This doesn't make sense you say she has fans but then say nobody likes her 🤔
zx50
07-11-2016
Originally Posted by JustSome1:
“She does seem like a bit of a diva to me, too. That's never stopped someone from becoming a successful artist though. It does hurt your chances in a reality show, so I think it's definitely a factor in the results, but I don't think it bothers her too much as she's basically already won by getting this far. Now she's just enjoying the ride and trying to get as far as she can while staying true to who she is (wink).

After the show I don't think the music industry cares how many votes she got, as she doesn't aim to be a teen idol.”

Making it to the final is what counts. Winning will just be a massive bonus.
_Kazama_TTT
07-11-2016
Saara is amazing and the only reason I am still watching tbh. She is a class act and leagues ahead of the others in the competition vocally at this stage.
HeavySaurus
08-11-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Making it to the final is what counts. Winning will just be a massive bonus.”

Winning could actually be more of a hindrance than a help.
zx50
08-11-2016
Originally Posted by _Kazama_TTT:
“Saara is amazing and the only reason I am still watching tbh. She is a class act and leagues ahead of the others in the competition vocally at this stage.”

Yeah, she certainly is. The voices of the other contestants are just average compared to hers. I don't think she'll win though. The young lasses will vote in their masses to save Matt and maybe 5 After Midnight. Honey G might get a lot of votes because she's a fun act. So, even though Saara leaves the others for dust with her voice, I think other contestants will beat her because of being either more entertaining (Honey G) or more appealing to young lasses out there (Matt and 5 After Midnight). I've noticed that Ryan's being saved every time despite him not being able to sing in tune. He could be appealing to young lasses as well. That might go against Saara as well. So yeah, obstacles that, unfortunately, Saara won't be able to get past no matter what she does.
zx50
08-11-2016
Originally Posted by HeavySaurus:
“Winning could actually be more of a hindrance than a help.”

How so? It will put you in the spotlight more and, I'm guessing, will automatically land you a deal with Cowell?
minxymoo
08-11-2016
Originally Posted by wise-up:
“This doesn't make sense you say she has fans but then say nobody likes her 🤔”

On the contrary it makes perfect sense.a handful of people on DS does not make you popular.the viewers simply havent taken to her ,theres no warmth ,likeability or charisma there.I too wished the judges had sent her packing on Saturday because she has zero chance of winning.sorry to rain on your parade.
carnoch04
08-11-2016
Originally Posted by All Of Me:
“The bottom three don't have a sing off though it's always the bottom two and always has been.”

This year, being in the sing off does not mean you are in the bottom two. It means you were in the bottom 3 and were not saved by the app vote.
_Kazama_TTT
08-11-2016
Originally Posted by minxymoo:
“On the contrary it makes perfect sense.a handful of people on DS does not make you popular.the viewers simply havent taken to her ,theres no warmth ,likeability or charisma there.I too wished the judges had sent her packing on Saturday because she has zero chance of winning.sorry to rain on your parade.”

Sorry gonna have to disagree with you there. To me she seems the most likeable of the lot. Every time I see her speak in interviews and in the show she seems immidiately likeable and sweet. The only reason why the public haven't taken to her is because she isn't a Brit. That's it.
CaptainSensible
08-11-2016
She seems sweet enough, but her formal musical background / training is obvious (albeit impressive) and I think she's not getting votes for that just as much as she not getting votes for her cultural background

I also think she has zero chance of winning, but a group of four good looking but uncharismatic young women that needs a lot of work (if I was being harsh, I'd argue that Caroline is their only interesting singer) had zero chance of winning too and were just as unpopular (bottom 3 and sing-off times 3), and they were terrible in the sing off

If they hadn't been that bad, then maybe they would have been saved

But Saara's going home soon I think, probably next week if she's in a sing off with anyone else apart from Ryan

If never going to win was so important, they could dump a few acts now and get everyone else to start performing twice immediately
SULLA
08-11-2016
Originally Posted by Big Poy:
“Brilliant sing off, best singer by a country mile.”

I agreee. It must be that people are not voting for her so they can hear her again in a sing off.

I fera that Cowell will soon kick her out for not connecting with the public
Moomin STFC
08-11-2016
Originally Posted by _Kazama_TTT:
“Sorry gonna have to disagree with you there. To me she seems the most likeable of the lot. Every time I see her speak in interviews and in the show she seems immidiately likeable and sweet. The only reason why the public haven't taken to her is because she isn't a Brit. That's it.”

It really isn't it at all.

Bit of an assumption to make that people don't like her because she isn't British.

It's certainly not the reason I don't like her - I can see she has a good voice, but she just doesn't float my boat - I can't warm to her at all, I have tried - but it has NOTHING to do with her being from another country. (I loved Andrea from a few years back and he was from Italy).
Coco87
08-11-2016
Originally Posted by Moomin STFC:
“It really isn't it at all.

Bit of an assumption to make that people don't like her because she isn't British.

It's certainly not the reason I don't like her - I can see she has a good voice, but she just doesn't float my boat - I can't warm to her at all, I have tried - but it has NOTHING to do with her being from another country. (I loved Andrea from a few years back and he was from Italy).”

I agree with you. I dont think it has anything to do with her not being British. I personally find her a bit fake and unlikable, and maybe this is the case with some of the general public as well? Maybe also the fact that she actually has a career in music already? Maybe people are looking at different things in the acts, and maybe Saara is just lacking that something most people are looking for in the winner? As much as the X factor is branded as a singing competition, its also about the "X" factor that can be viewed in so many different ways, such as a charismatic or entertaining personality, or then as sining talent.

I'm Finnish myself, but have been living in the UK for years.. so I've seen Saara compete in different competitions in Finland, and also build her career for years. She has always struggled quite a bit with people not liking her, even tho she is very talented and has a great voice. She's been touring for years in Finland and even abroad, self published records (actually it was said somewhere, could be just a rumour, that she was offered a record deal years ago but didnt take it as wanted to be in control of what kind of music she publishes) and according to her tax records (this is public knowledge in Finland and last years numbers were just published last week) she is actually doing ok what comes to living off of her music. Now, the numbers arent like famous artists in the UK or US but with the money she's making, she's been able to be comfortable and I think this on top of her years in touring makes her "a professional singer". This is all great, and I'm not jealous of her career or her earnings at all, but I just think she's in the wrong place. She's "competing" against young and unexperienced people who've never really made music before, or have any concert / interview experience. I find it a bit unfair and will be giving my votes to the others that I see potential in.

Saara has a huge Finnish following, also those people are voting for her from Finland, so she'll stay in the competition for a while. With the amount of support she's getting from there and the UK she's most likely well ahead of Ryan and Sam in the votes.
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