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Old 07-11-2016, 15:03
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Wasn't Cain very much with Charity when James and Moira sutuation happened? Why does she owe him any explanation about it? Why did he think he had the right to shake his head at Moira at all?
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Old 07-11-2016, 15:33
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He was.
Besides which, Holly had just died.
Whenever there's a chance to slut shame Moira the writer's take it.

But since a loud portion of the audience believes Moira's dress at the funeral was inappropriate, I suppose she's easy pickings.
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Old 07-11-2016, 15:55
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He was.
Besides which, Holly had just died.
Whenever there's a chance to slut shame Moira the writer's take it.

But since a loud portion of the audience believes Moira's dress at the funeral was inappropriate, I suppose she's easy pickings.
I like Moira and I don't believe I have ever partaken in 'slut-shaming', but I thought her funeral dress was inappropriate. I thought it was a strange choice by the Wardrobe Dept.
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Old 07-11-2016, 16:38
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He was.
Besides which, Holly had just died.
Whenever there's a chance to slut shame Moira the writer's take it.

But since a loud portion of the audience believes Moira's dress at the funeral was inappropriate, I suppose she's easy pickings.
Holly was still breathing when Cain first re-hooked up with Charity and the James/Moira fumble happened. Not that it makes his behaviour any better, but...

And I'm one for slut-shaming, but Moira's choice of outfit was a bit for a funeral!
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Old 07-11-2016, 16:41
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He was.
Besides which, Holly had just died.
Whenever there's a chance to slut shame Moira the writer's take it.

But since a loud portion of the audience believes Moira's dress at the funeral was inappropriate, I suppose she's easy pickings.
I thought the funeral dress was inappropriate, but that's it.
Moira had walked in on Cain and Charity, as far as I understood, and Moira, she was absolutely single.

I'm tired of Cain getting with other women, nearly moving to France with them, but Moira still has to answer to Cain what she does and with whom.
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Old 07-11-2016, 16:45
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Moira seems to be the only one who gets called out on her behavior on the show and always in the Woolpack, I remember times Adam and Cain both calling her a slut in there considering how loose everyone is on the show it's silly she's the one they pick to shame.
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Old 07-11-2016, 16:50
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Moira seems to be the only one who gets called out on her behavior on the show and always in the Woolpack, I remember times Adam and Cain both calling her a slut in there considering how loose everyone is on the show it's silly she's the one they pick to shame.
Didn't they both call her a tramp for daring to talk with a man, who flirted with her a bit?

That's one reason I love her, she always gets called out, and many times for other people's actions. She can't help being a chemistry magnet.
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Old 07-11-2016, 16:56
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Didn't t the incident with James happen before Holly's s death, not long after they split?

TBH I really question whether Moira should have gone to the funeral, especially dressed like that. Fair enough if she wanted to support Adam, but maybe she should have kept her head down. Offering consolation to Emma was rubbing salt in the wound and she deserved a slap. I think that's s why she is often targeted. She has this attitude that people should ' just get over it' because she herself is almost ridiculously resilient. It was really tactless to present herself in front of Emma in that way.

She's s no slapper, though. James was much more to blame, he took advantage of her when she was low. Although he got more than a slap as punishment.
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Old 07-11-2016, 16:58
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Holly was still breathing when Cain first re-hooked up with Charity and the James/Moira fumble happened. Not that it makes his behaviour any better, but...

And I'm one for slut-shaming, but Moira's choice of outfit was a bit for a funeral!
Seriously, why does she always wear that dress? It's s not the office Christmas party!!!Chas was almost as bad! There is such a thing as decorum!
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:06
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Didn't t the incident with James happen before Holly's s death, not long after they split?

TBH I really question whether Moira should have gone to the funeral, especially dressed like that. Fair enough if she wanted to support Adam, but maybe she should have kept her head down. Offering consolation to Emma was rubbing salt in the wound and she deserved a slap. I think that's s why she is often targeted. She has this attitude that people should ' just get over it' because she herself is almost ridiculously resilient. It was really tactless to present herself in front of Emma in that way.

She's s no slapper, though. James was much more to blame, he took advantage of her when she was low. Although he got more than a slap as punishment.
It's just that Moira gets most of the heat every time. She had a fling with Alex, who didn't mention that he was also with Victoria, Victoria harassed Moira non stop for it. Pete decided to kiss Moira, Moira got the dirty looks. James was in love with Moira, she gets the heat.
Charity actively chased Cain while he was very much married to Moira, they cheated on Moira, but Charity called Moira a man stealing tramp. And now Cain acts like moira wronged him. It's never equally balanced, Moira gets called out when it isn't even her in the wrong.
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:09
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He was.
Besides which, Holly had just died.
Whenever there's a chance to slut shame Moira the writer's take it.

But since a loud portion of the audience believes Moira's dress at the funeral was inappropriate, I suppose she's easy pickings.
Would you wear extra tight trousers to a funeral?Or anything else that looked more suitable for a party or a date? I wouldn't t even wear a dress like that to work, it's s for an evening out. It's s not about ,' slut shaming' it's about respecting the occasion and the fact that others are grieving. It's s a lovely dress, she looks great in it and she should feel free to wear it when she goes out socialising but this was a funeral, and what's s even worse a youngish person's funeral. A hugely sad occasion. In all honesty I' ve never seen anyone dress like that for a funeral, regardless of age, gender and attractiveness, except Moira and now Chas! Except when Michael Hutchence and all his girlfriends turned up looking like black widows
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:15
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It's just that Moira gets most of the heat every time. She had a fling with Alex, who didn't mention that he was also with Victoria, Victoria harassed Moira non stop for it. Pete decided to kiss Moira, Moira got the dirty looks. James was in love with Moira, she gets the heat.
Charity actively chased Cain while he was very much married to Moira, they cheated on Moira, but Charity called Moira a man stealing tramp. And now Cain acts like moira wronged him. It's never equally balanced, Moira gets called out when it isn't even her in the wrong.
Yeah fair point but I think in this case Moira totally made Cain out to be completely in the wrong over their marriage break down and was not willing to take any responsibility for her behaviour
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:20
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I found nothing wrong with Moira's dress.
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:20
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Yeah fair point but I think in this case Moira totally made Cain out to be completely in the wrong over their marriage break down and was not willing to take any responsibility for her behaviour
True, they were both in the wrong for the marriage break down.
Cain just jumped into happy families with Charity so fast, and so publicly, that he has no room to shake his head at Moira even if she kissed 100 men.
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:22
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It's just that Moira gets most of the heat every time. She had a fling with Alex, who didn't mention that he was also with Victoria, Victoria harassed Moira non stop for it. Pete decided to kiss Moira, Moira got the dirty looks. James was in love with Moira, she gets the heat.
Charity actively chased Cain while he was very much married to Moira, they cheated on Moira, but Charity called Moira a man stealing tramp. And now Cain acts like moira wronged him. It's never equally balanced, Moira gets called out when it isn't even her in the wrong.
I agree Moira gets unfairly targeted. However, I don't t really see it so much a writer's vendetta against her as just the way these individual characters react. Didn't t Pete get a good punch from Cain for making moves on Moira? Of course Emma blamed her, that's s typical of her character, the writers are being true to t hat. I seem to remember Cain defending Moira against Victoria, but sadly Victoria is extremely old fashioned where it comes to ' her men's and us exactly the type ( and they do still exist) to blame the other woman. Charity is just twisted and will say anything. So it's s not the writers targeting Moira , it's s the in- character reactions of those she gets involved with. She's s rarely an innocent party either - her constantly having James contributed as much to the break up if her marriage as Charity sniffing around did, and let's s not forget Emma had good reason to be jealous. Also, I suspect they think it's s entertaining to see two women fighting over a man ( it's s not).
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:22
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True, they were both in the wrong for the marriage break down.
Cain just jumped into happy families with Charity so fast, and so publicly, that he has no room to shake his head at Moira even if she kissed 100 men.
I don't think he'd have reacted as badly if it had been anyone other than James though. Moira loathes charity rightfully but Cain equally loathed James because of their prior history
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:25
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It's just that Moira gets most of the heat every time. She had a fling with Alex, who didn't mention that he was also with Victoria, Victoria harassed Moira non stop for it. Pete decided to kiss Moira, Moira got the dirty looks. James was in love with Moira, she gets the heat.
Charity actively chased Cain while he was very much married to Moira, they cheated on Moira, but Charity called Moira a man stealing tramp. And now Cain acts like moira wronged him. It's never equally balanced, Moira gets called out when it isn't even her in the wrong.
Are you talking about the scene at the farm? Wasn't t it Ross he was annoyed with not Moira? It seemed to me he wasn't t all that upset by the James reveal.
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:28
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I don't think he'd have reacted as badly if it had been anyone other than James though. Moira loathes charity rightfully but Cain equally loathed James because of their prior history
Sorcha, are you defending Cain??Has the world stopped spinning on its axis???!!!!

I agree though, I think there's s over simplification going on here.
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:29
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Are you talking about the scene at the farm? Wasn't t it Ross he was annoyed with not Moira? It seemed to me he wasn't t all that upset by the James reveal.
He gave Moira a very disapproving head shake, and she hurried to explain to him that 'it wasn't like that'. Ross was egging Cain on with it, trying to blame him for James' death.
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:31
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Sorcha, are you defending Cain??Has the world stopped spinning on its axis???!!!!

I agree though, I think there's s over simplification going on here.


I don't have to particularly love a character to see when something is unfair

To be honest I don't like Moira at all. I find her a holier than thou moaning pain in the arse
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:36
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He gave Moira a very disapproving head shake, and she hurried to explain to him that 'it wasn't like that'. Ross was egging Cain on with it, trying to blame him for James' death.
Did he? Honestly I can't t remember anything these days Attention span of a fly, sometimes

He was probably , thinking ' week you chucked me out for kissing Charity's - even though it would have gone much further had Chas not stopped them!
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:38
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I like Moira and I don't believe I have ever partaken in 'slut-shaming', but I thought her funeral dress was inappropriate. I thought it was a strange choice by the Wardrobe Dept.
I agree with this.

I'd never approve of slut shaming but I've always belueved there are certain rules re what is suitable attire for a church service, especially a funeral, and having your cleavage prominently on display does not fall within it.

Especially bad taste when the funer is for an ex lover and the wife he cheated on is present.

Not being funny but she kept covered up for Hollys funeral.

Re Cain though, no, he didn't warrant an explanation or apology. They were split up when it happened.
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:42
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I don't have to particularly love a character to see when something is unfair

To be honest I don't like Moira at all. I find her a holier than thou moaning pain in the arse
TBH I' m the same with her. I don't t exactly like her. However I do have a lot of respect for her. I know as an insecure person myself I would find her intimidating and a bit overwhelming though - she seems so convinced of her own rightness, she never sees that she might be at fault too. I do respect her strength and resilience though - she just handles whatever life throws at her, usually with a great deal of dignity. , however others are behaving. I still think she was completely insensitive to approach Emma at the funeral though - just what the grieving widow needs, the hand of friendship from the woman she thinks ruined he marriage
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:46
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I agree with this.

I'd never approve of slut shaming but I've always belueved there are certain rules re what is suitable attire for a church service, especially a funeral, and having your cleavage prominently on display does not fall within it.

Especially bad taste when the funer is for an ex lover and the wife he cheated on is present.

Not being funny but she kept covered up for Hollys funeral.

Re Cain though, no, he didn't warrant an explanation or apology. They were split up when it happened.
Thing is, she wears it for every funeral ( except Holly's)Seriously what's s that about?

Maybe she has a crush on the undertaker or HarrietJust joking everyone!!!
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Old 07-11-2016, 17:52
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Thing is, she wears it for every funeral ( except Holly's)Seriously what's s that about?

Maybe she has a crush on the undertaker or HarrietJust joking everyone!!!
She's just a genereous person and gives the funeral goers and the deceased
something to feel cheerful about. This time she miscalculated, Moira's boobs failed to cheer Emma up.
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