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Why are the Salsa basic steps treated as an inconvenience to the dance on strictly? |
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Same here. I loved it. Miss it so much. Agree that the UK one was not half as good.
USA breeds great dancers and choreographers. Dancers really graft over there. They work hard and they are truly focused. love the USA version of the show - the UK one was badly done by the BBC imo serious dancers graft no matter where they come from have many hard working dancers around the world plying their trade |
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John Barnes and Nicole Cutler did the best salsa I've seen on Strictly - still show dancey but right feel and rough around the edges
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoHaSQWAs38
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love the USA version of the show - the UK one was badly done by the BBC imo
serious dancers graft no matter where they come from have many hard working dancers around the world plying their trade In UK there is a respect for ballet, but everything else is just classed as a bit "of fun" never sport. |
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As a total non-dancer, this is really interesting. Do you think it's because it's too difficult even for the celebs that have dance training, or would someone like Danny or Louise be able to learn a reasonable beginner routine with the sort of 'feel' you're talking about even if it wouldn't obviously be the real thing of a experienced dancer?
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Is it the Chinese Whispers effect? Some salsa expert (in this case Mr Oksana) choreographs x% of the dance and then the pro tweaks away at it so that a) they can make sense of it and then b) so that their celeb can do it.
Does it actually start off a respectable salsa and then just get diluted in the process of getting it to work in 4 days? I hate that some of the newer pros are following Anton's example and not bothering to work on the dances they know less well so that they can do them justice. Maybe they should have a salsa expert not just deliver the choreography but actually train them (both) in it. |
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I'm beginning to despair of ever seeing a decent set of basic steps danced on this show! All l want to see is the basic action particularly when l'm watching the professional. I was watching Ed and Katya in training and Ed was of course terrible but he made me smile.
Katya on the other hand had me rolling my eyes as her basic hip action seemed worse and she was trying to correct his! Is there no one who can sort this out!
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It's a shame we've not seen Janette do more Salsa's because she's an actual professional dancer unlike most of the other pros who are only traditional Ballroom and Latin dancers.
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There was a picture on Instagram of Janette, Aliajz & Giovanni at a salsa club. I think maybe Janette should take all the pros there for a crash course!
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The salsa on Strictly is actually a weird salsa/showdance hybrid. I've never seen any real salsa dancers doing 3 lifts in one and a half minutes!
Instead of getting Ed to perfect the basic steps we have them fooling around and wasting time with lifts . Then you have Alijaz trying to lift Daisy and again looking ridiculous . Daisy is a tall girl and it looks so ungainly and unnecessary . I mean these are novices trying to learn a routine in 4 days and they should be concentrating on perfecting the basic technique not lifts . |
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From the training clips it doesn't look hopeful for this weeks entries either.
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It looks so natural and fun. Big smiles from both right thro, and I love the Danger Man era cheesy music
![]() ![]() ![]() Cheesy??? ![]() That's the sublime Tito Puente you are talking about. ![]() ![]() ![]() Seriously though try listening to this. Notice the many layers in the music. Its like the difference in a cheap red wine with a single flavour note and a well crafted wine that is deep and rich with a basic flavour that is profound and linger and many new flavour hits popping up after the initial flavour has grabbed you. This is what IMO makes Latin music so great and indeed so danceable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2C5hx4sI0 |
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Watching clips of this weeks training and the ridiculous obsession with lifts by Katya and Alijaz .
Instead of getting Ed to perfect the basic steps we have them fooling around and wasting time with lifts . Then you have Alijaz trying to lift Daisy and again looking ridiculous . Daisy is a tall girl and it looks so ungainly and unnecessary . I mean these are novices trying to learn a routine in 4 days and they should be concentrating on perfecting the basic technique not lifts . Quote:
There was a picture on Instagram of Janette, Aliajz & Giovanni at a salsa club. I think maybe Janette should take all the pros there for a crash course!
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![]() ![]() Cheesy??? ![]() That's the sublime Tito Puente you are talking about. ![]() ![]() ![]() Seriously though try listening to this. Notice the many layers in the music. Its like the difference in a cheap red wine with a single flavour note and a well crafted wine that is deep and rich with a basic flavour that is profound and linger and many new flavour hits popping up after the initial flavour has grabbed you. This is what IMO makes Latin music so great and indeed so danceable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2C5hx4sI0 ![]() This actually reminds me of the last time a reasonable salsa was danced on strictly. Ali Bastian and Brian Fortuna danced to this and l thought it was actually one of her best Latin dances. However, l also remember Len not being to keen on it as it was too frenetic with too much armography. Even her basic was challenged. I only wish the pros basic today was as good as her basic was back then!
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So true! Love this woman's music.
![]() This actually reminds me of the last time a reasonable salsa was danced on strictly. Ali Bastian and Brian Fortuna danced to this and l thought it was actually one of her best Latin dances. However, l also remember Len not being to keen on it as it was too frenetic with too much armography. Even her basic was challenged. I only wish the pros basic today was as good as her basic was back then! ![]() |
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![]() ![]() Cheesy??? ![]() That's the sublime Tito Puente you are talking about. ![]() ![]() ![]() Seriously though try listening to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm2C5hx4sI0 Dynamite. |
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Lol frenetic and too much armography? In a salsa? Oh Len... salsa is frenetic and arm-y! If you've not ended up resembling some sort of confused spinning ocotpus at some point during the learning process have you really salsa-ed?
Bet they've never seen a Rueda in Cuba either. Fast? You bet your booty! |
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Exactly!
Bet they've never seen a Rueda in Cuba either. Fast? You bet your booty! |
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Or got caught up in one when they don't know all the moves and just end up spinning from bloke to bloke ahem not that that's ever happened to me...😳
One of the things I loved about dancing in Cuba was that the men could really lead and were as strong as oxen, but as graceful as cats
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please tell me Ed did authentic Salsa tonite. If it wasn't, it would break my heart
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Aarghhhh! That is scary, but exciting at the same time.
One of the things I loved about dancing in Cuba was that the men could really lead and were as strong as oxen, but as graceful as cats ![]() |
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Katya on the other hand had me rolling my eyes as her basic hip action seemed worse and she was trying to correct his!
Is there no one who can sort this out!
That's the sublime Tito Puente you are talking about. 
