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Emmerdale - Finn & Kasim
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Sez_babe
13-11-2016
I suppose Aaron is now connected to Victoria via Adam and Robert, and with Finn being best friends with Victoria (again...they didn't have scenes together for months!) he would naturally see him a lot now.
Teifiboi
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by trevon1:
“Didn't Aaron say he didn't want to be a part of that "freak show"? That seems pretty hateful to me.

I actually kind of liked Aaron and Finn's scenes, but ultimately Aaron has always been a bully and violent thug who only cares about himself. Now that others have pointed it out, it is clear Aaron wasn't actually trying to help Finn but just treating him like a joke.”

BIB1: See my quoted post below. Aaron did, indeed, say the words. However, at the time, he was a teenage self loathing gay who had, at that time, not come out. Indeed, he attempted to kill himself rather than have people know that he was gay. There is no evidence at all that Aaron holds to that view today. The character has developed and moved forward.

BIB2: Whilst Aaron has had his thuggish moments, there's no way that he could be described as a bully and he's one of the most selfless characters on the show. Eye rolling does not necessarily equate to contempt, it can just as easily be friendly.

Originally Posted by Teifiboi:
“There was a time, before and around the time that Aaron came out, when he was in his self loathing stage, that he said something like 'I don't want to be part of that freak show'. However, Aaron has moved on and developed very considerably since then. We have seen nothing, either in the latter part of his first stint, or in his second stint, to support the contention that Aaron, as he is now, 'has a hatred for men who are a bit effeminate'. That said, I have little doubt that Aaron is a man's man, in the traditional meaning of the phrase.”

Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I agree I was quite surprised he didn't tell everyone else what was going on yo further his amusement. No one seems to care about poor Finn and Finn seems to care too much about everyone else. I would love this chap to wake up and fall for Finn in a big way. Let Finn have a happy storyline for a change. I'd even like them yo move away and live happy ever after not because I dint want to see Finn on screen but so the writers don't eventually break his heart again.”

BIB: I think that tells you that Aaron was not treating Finn with contempt or as a joke, but was genuinely trying to be helpful.
Teifiboi
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“You seem to be saying that a) Aaron wasn't unkind or contemptuous towards Finn and b) Finn deserved it if he was because his predicament is creepy, weird and daft anyway. So Aaron wins whatever

The idea that he was kind though is very bemusing. Didn't you see him rolling his eyes and being sarcastic? Maybe Finn does deserve it but that isn't the point I was making anyway. Aaron did actually make me laugh but he was also looking down on Finn and his predicament as he often does look down on Finn.”

BIB: I'm sure that Jewels can speak for herself, but you would seem to be putting words in her mouth.
Teifiboi
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by samcains90:
“Yep Aaron is so hard done by, and always, always a victim. ”

Aaron has a good few victims of his own, I would say. Not that I would, in any way, approve.

He's had a hard life, there's no doubt, but he's most certainly not defined by that, or by being a victim. Indeed, he's been as happy and as smiley as could be in recent months, and there has always been a fun side to Aaron, going right back to the start.
trevor tiger
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I agree I was quite surprised he didn't tell everyone else what was going on yo further his amusement. No one seems to care about poor Finn and Finn seems to care too much about everyone else. I would love this chap to wake up and fall for Finn in a big way. Let Finn have a happy storyline for a change. I'd even like them yo move away and live happy ever after not because I dint want to see Finn on screen but so the writers don't eventually break his heart again.”

I would love Finn to have a boyfriend and a good relationship. He deserves it and if it resulted in him not being a laughing stock of the other gay in the village then that would certainly be a result.

Originally Posted by Teifiboi:
“BIB: I'm sure that Jewels can speak for herself, but you would seem to be putting words in her mouth.”

Jewels spoke to me and I replied. Why don't you practice what you preach and let her reply back if she so wishes
Teifiboi
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I would love Finn to have a boyfriend and a good relationship. He deserves it and if it resulted in him not being a laughing stock of the other gay in the village then that would certainly be a result.



Jewels spoke to me and I replied. Why don't you practice what you preach and let her reply back if she so wishes ”

I would be happy for Finn to be better developed as a character. He has been left as a bit of a blank page up to now, which is a shame, I agree.

With regard to my comment regarding your comment on Jewels' post. It wasn't a private conversation, it was posted on a public board, so there is no reason for me to refrain from commenting myself. I cast it in the way that I did because I did not wish to presume to tread upon Jewels' toes, but wished to disagree both with your post; and your interpretation of what Jewels' said. A perfectly valid post, I would have thought.
trevor tiger
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by Teifiboi:
“I would be happy for Finn to be better developed as a character. He has been left as a bit of a blank page up to now, which is a shame, I agree.

With regard to my comment regarding your comment on Jewels' post. It wasn't a private conversation, it was posted on a public board, so there is no reason for me to refrain from commenting myself. I cast it in the way that I did because I did not wish to presume to tread upon Jewels' toes, but wished to disagree both with your post; and your interpretation of what Jewels' said. A perfectly valid post, I would have thought.”

I don't agree. Disagreeing with what I say is valid but dismissing my post by suggesting I'm putting words into someone else's mouth isn't, in my opinion of course.
Teifiboi
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I don't agree. Disagreeing with what I say is valid but dismissing my post by suggesting I'm putting words into someone else's mouth isn't, in my opinion of course.”

How else was I to do it? If I hadn't said it as I did, then I'm giving some form of confirmation that I believe that Jewels actually did mean what you said she meant, when I don't believe that's the case. I most certainly didn't phrase my post with the intent of diminishing your views, though perhaps I should have said clearly that I disagreed with them.

Anyhow, we're off topic. So I'll say no more on the matter.
kaiserbee
13-11-2016
I have no idea where this Kasim storyline is going.

All I know is I'm happy Finn's getting screen time, and I'd very much prefer if he was kept as far away from Aaron as possible.
trevor tiger
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by Teifiboi:
“How else was I to do it? If I hadn't said it as I did, then I'm giving some form of confirmation that I believe that Jewels actually did mean what you said she meant, when I don't believe that's the case. I most certainly didn't phrase my post with the intent of diminishing your views, though perhaps I should have said clearly that I disagreed with them.

Anyhow, we're off topic. So I'll say no more on the matter.”

By giving your interpretation of what is being said which by the way is all I was doing with Jewels. Telling someone they've put words into someone else's mouth is confrontational, and about criticising a poster and not the post and most importantly of all fails to add to the discussion because it gives no sense of what your actual view is.
cyrilandshirley
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by kaiserbee:
“I have no idea where this Kasim storyline is going.

All I know is I'm happy Finn's getting screen time, and I'd very much prefer if he was kept as far away from Aaron as possible.”

Yep, absolutely. I've waited a long time for a whiff of a storyline for Finn, and I don't need the A word sprayed all over it, ta emmerdale.
Ben96
13-11-2016
At least Finn finally has something to do, he's been underused for too long and just been given 'comedy' plots mostly.
Shawn_Lunn
14-11-2016
I'm far from Aaron's biggest fan but the advice he gave to Finn about Kasim was actually sound and logical advice.

Maybe Finn will get lucky and when Kasim wakes up, something might happen with the two of them but there's also the chance it might not though.

However given the way this feels set up, I do think a Finn/Kasim hook up is probably in the works though and it's nice to see Finn get his own storyline now.
craig_25
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Shawn_Lunn:
“I'm far from Aaron's biggest fan but the advice he gave to Finn about Kasim was actually sound and logical advice.

Maybe Finn will get lucky and when Kasim wakes up, something might happen with the two of them but there's also the chance it might not though.

However given the way this feels set up, I do think a Finn/Kasim hook up is probably in the works though and it's nice to see Finn get his own storyline now.”

I don't doubt that the advice was good, it's just the general huffiness of Aaron and the way he constantly rolls his eyes and makes snide remarks. He clearly doesn't care for Finn (or many other people in fairness). He's just hard work!
Shawn_Lunn
14-11-2016
Aaron's generally an arsehole anyways but even they can be right, lol.

I'm intrigued to see what kind of character Kasim will turn out to be when he wakes up though.
craig_25
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Shawn_Lunn:
“Aaron's generally an arsehole anyways but even they can be right, lol.

I'm intrigued to see what kind of character Kasim will turn out to be when he wakes up though.”

I have a feeling that Kasim will be somewhat dull. I'm thinking Jackson Mk2.

It's very rare that a newbie brought in specifically as a love interest for an established character is ever successful. I'm just trying to think of any......
Andybear
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by craig_25:
“I have a feeling that Kasim will be somewhat dull. I'm thinking Jackson Mk2.

It's very rare that a newbie brought in specifically as a love interest for an established character is ever successful. I'm just trying to think of any......”

If he saw Emma push James off the bridge he'll be more than a love interest for Finn (though we don't actually know that he'll be a love interest for Finn) - he'll be a very strong witness.
Teifiboi
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by craig_25:
“I don't doubt that the advice was good, it's just the general huffiness of Aaron and the way he constantly rolls his eyes and makes snide remarks. He clearly doesn't care for Finn (or many other people in fairness). He's just hard work!”

Originally Posted by Shawn_Lunn:
“Aaron's generally an arsehole anyways but even they can be right, lol.

I'm intrigued to see what kind of character Kasim will turn out to be when he wakes up though.”

Well, in the scenes in question, Aaron apologised immediately, before Finn even had time to react, when he realised how insensitive he had been remarking that the hospital had saved his life when it had failed to save James'. That's not the action of an insensitive person, or someone who looks down upon Finn, or holds him in contempt, or of an a*s*h*l* for that matter. It's the action of someone who is capable of empathy and sensitivity.
sheepiefarm
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Teifiboi:
“Well, in the scenes in question, Aaron apologised immediately, before Finn even had time to react, when he realised how insensitive he had been remarking that the hospital had saved his life when it had failed to save James'. That's not the action of an insensitive person, or someone who looks down upon Finn, or holds him in contempt, or of an a*s*h*l* for that matter. It's the action of someone who is capable of empathy and sensitivity.”


Yep - "sorry I pulled the trigger, I didn't mean to shoot you" could be excused by the above comment too.
Teifiboi
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“
Yep - "sorry I pulled the trigger, I didn't mean to shoot you" could be excused by the above comment too. ”

An insensitive comment is rather different to a shooting, or threat to shoot!!!!!
James J
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“If he saw Emma push James off the bridge he'll be more than a love interest for Finn (though we don't actually know that he'll be a love interest for Finn) - he'll be a very strong witness.”

... and in Emma's crosshairs...
Andybear
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by James J:
“... and in Emma's crosshairs...”

What do you mean?
James J
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“What do you mean?”

If Kasim saw Emma on the bridge, she could possibly silence him.
hypergreenfrog
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by craig_25:
“I have a feeling that Kasim will be somewhat dull. I'm thinking Jackson Mk2.”

I'd actually quite like that. I liked Jackson (pre-accident), Finn could do with a man who's down to earth and self confident, yet not as arrogant as most of the Emmerdale residents. I don't find that dull.
I just hope he is not another "man with a secret" or someone's long lost relative.
trevon1
15-11-2016
I liked Jackson as well. He was always far too good for Aaron. Jackson and Finn would have worked well.
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