Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.
Will music get real and Angry again.
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Originally Posted by Adamsk:
“Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.”
“Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.”
nope..... the snowflake generation have no balls, or not enough to actually stand up and do something.
and the problem is..... punk and grunge have been done, so to create something new theyll have to look much harder, or just use punk and grunge in a watered down almost cabaret style way.
Originally Posted by Adamsk:
“Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.”
“Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.”
I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival!
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival!”
“I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival!”
LOL!!!
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival!”
“I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival!”
id argue that without punk, there wouldnt have been any new romantics in the first place
i dont want a new romantic revival, it would be fancy dress meets karaoke the same way indie has, and goth, and rock... it was great, but was of its time.
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival!”
“I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival!”
You do realise that the 80's wasn't just Wham! and Spandau Ballet? The Smiths, U2, The Specials, Tracy Chapman, Billy Bragg, Peter Gabriel? And they are just some artists that have had mainstream success during the 80's.
No, because record companies continue to play it far too safe.
They just want to sign artists that are similar to already existing artists.
Anything new or ground breaking shall remain popular to only a small minority who have heard the music.
The best anyone could hope for is Arctic Monkeys smashing it once again in 2017 with their follow up to AM. Other than that, nothing.
They just want to sign artists that are similar to already existing artists.
Anything new or ground breaking shall remain popular to only a small minority who have heard the music.
The best anyone could hope for is Arctic Monkeys smashing it once again in 2017 with their follow up to AM. Other than that, nothing.
Originally Posted by Peter the Great:
“You do realise that the 80's wasn't just Wham! and Spandau Ballet? The Smiths, U2, The Specials, Tracy Chapman, Billy Bragg, Peter Gabriel? And they are just some artists that have had mainstream success during the 80's.”
“You do realise that the 80's wasn't just Wham! and Spandau Ballet? The Smiths, U2, The Specials, Tracy Chapman, Billy Bragg, Peter Gabriel? And they are just some artists that have had mainstream success during the 80's.”
The kind people
Have a wonderful dream
Margaret on the guillotine
Cause people like you
Make me feel so tired
When will you die?
When will you die?
When will you die?
When will you die?
When will you die?
And people like you
Make me feel so old inside
Please die
maybe Mozza will write a funny one about Trump ?
Originally Posted by yviebabe:
“I look to music to lift my spirits, and dance round the kitchen to while doing the dinner!”
“I look to music to lift my spirits, and dance round the kitchen to while doing the dinner!”
Me too. I don't want angst and fighting and smashing the system. I want love, joy, happiness and my soul to soar. I want to wave my hands in the air, sing and dance
Originally Posted by Hitstastic:
“No, because record companies continue to play it far too safe.
.”
“No, because record companies continue to play it far too safe.
.”
didnt stop punk...
but theres no anger, passion, opinion in todays youth, if there was there would be nothing to stop such a movement being created and it would be a lot easier now through social media
Originally Posted by Peter the Great:
“You do realise that the 80's wasn't just Wham! and Spandau Ballet? The Smiths, U2, The Specials, Tracy Chapman, Billy Bragg, Peter Gabriel? And they are just some artists that have had mainstream success during the 80's.”
“You do realise that the 80's wasn't just Wham! and Spandau Ballet? The Smiths, U2, The Specials, Tracy Chapman, Billy Bragg, Peter Gabriel? And they are just some artists that have had mainstream success during the 80's.”
And Public Enemy, N.W.A., Grandmaster Flash, Run-DMC, Boogie Down Productions, Steve Earle, Neil Young, Springsteen, Don Henley (?), Prince, Nena, Billy Joel, Frankie, even Genesis did an anti-Reagan video for 'Land of Confusion'. In some cases it was just a few anti-Reagan songs.
Originally Posted by Hitstastic:
“No, because record companies continue to play it far too safe.
They just want to sign artists that are similar to already existing artists.
Anything new or ground breaking shall remain popular to only a small minority who have heard the music.
The best anyone could hope for is Arctic Monkeys smashing it once again in 2017 with their follow up to AM. Other than that, nothing.”
“No, because record companies continue to play it far too safe.
They just want to sign artists that are similar to already existing artists.
Anything new or ground breaking shall remain popular to only a small minority who have heard the music.
The best anyone could hope for is Arctic Monkeys smashing it once again in 2017 with their follow up to AM. Other than that, nothing.”
As mushymanrob points out though, 70s punk and late 80s/early 90s Grunge weren't about the big record labels, they were about a DIY attitude amongst the youth and others that sparked a movement including a boom in indie labels. Of course, the Empire always strikes back and finds a way to absorb rebellious tendencies.
Originally Posted by yviebabe:
“I look to music to lift my spirits, and dance round the kitchen to while doing the dinner!”
“I look to music to lift my spirits, and dance round the kitchen to while doing the dinner!”
Of course, political commentary and dance are not mutually exclusive...Marvin Gaye {'What's Going On?'), Stevie Wonder (''Innervisions'), The Wailers ('Burnin''), The Specials ('Rat Race')....was there ever a music scene more racially diverse and integrative than disco in the 70s?
Make them think while you move their Feet.....
Stand Down Margaret.....https://youtu.be/-K6YWX4OL0o
Originally Posted by Adamsk:
“Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.”
“Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.”
not sure what you mean by "angry" but there's been music with similar types of protest lyrics and angst etc all the way through since the 60s
these days with the internet you can have considerably angrier music as people can record what they want and post it online with greater immediacy without needing record companies and other in betweens, so closer to the real indie punk and grunge labels. remember hip hop in particular has a wide variety from ass and ho and money problem lyrics to things more like duck the police and cop killer
however life is typically much better for most people these days. the advent of the internet gives people all sorts of avenues to voice frustrations, but also gaining entertainment, so people can satisfy themselves with netflix and spotify and computer games and have more things to keep their attention, so people are generally less likely to want to complain about things via music. today people complain about "slowness" of the incredible technology we have if things take 2 nanoseconds longer to perform than they want. almost half the US electorate didn't bother voting in the recent GE and only about a quarter of them actually voted for trump. so if people can't be bothered to vote, they aren't likely to bother to make music that will end up in your eardrums unless you search for it. but certainly i've seen (but not bothered/wanted to listen to) music online reacting to the trump results. years ago you would need to wait weeks for it to be recorded and pressed and sent to radio or put online in order to hear it
things have moved on considerably now. you can download software on your computer for free and record your own protest song and upload it to youtube and soundcloud within minutes if you want to and have the ability. you can pick up an iphone and just record yourself improvising on a guitar for 3 minutes and have it online seconds later
protest songs still exist, this was a big song this year on 6music
Poem - She Drew The Gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15_m1XEdAI
Poem - She Drew The Gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15_m1XEdAI
Originally Posted by unique:
“not sure what you mean by "angry" but there's been music with similar types of protest lyrics and angst etc all the way through since the 60s
these days with the internet you can have considerably angrier music as people can record what they want and post it online with greater immediacy without needing record companies and other in betweens, so closer to the real indie punk and grunge labels. remember hip hop in particular has a wide variety from ass and ho and money problem lyrics to things more like duck the police and cop killer
however life is typically much better for most people these days. the advent of the internet gives people all sorts of avenues to voice frustrations, but also gaining entertainment, so people can satisfy themselves with netflix and spotify and computer games and have more things to keep their attention, so people are generally less likely to want to complain about things via music. today people complain about "slowness" of the incredible technology we have if things take 2 nanoseconds longer to perform than they want. almost half the US electorate didn't bother voting in the recent GE and only about a quarter of them actually voted for trump. so if people can't be bothered to vote, they aren't likely to bother to make music that will end up in your eardrums unless you search for it. but certainly i've seen (but not bothered/wanted to listen to) music online reacting to the trump results. years ago you would need to wait weeks for it to be recorded and pressed and sent to radio or put online in order to hear it
things have moved on considerably now. you can download software on your computer for free and record your own protest song and upload it to youtube and soundcloud within minutes if you want to and have the ability. you can pick up an iphone and just record yourself improvising on a guitar for 3 minutes and have it online seconds later”
“not sure what you mean by "angry" but there's been music with similar types of protest lyrics and angst etc all the way through since the 60s
these days with the internet you can have considerably angrier music as people can record what they want and post it online with greater immediacy without needing record companies and other in betweens, so closer to the real indie punk and grunge labels. remember hip hop in particular has a wide variety from ass and ho and money problem lyrics to things more like duck the police and cop killer
however life is typically much better for most people these days. the advent of the internet gives people all sorts of avenues to voice frustrations, but also gaining entertainment, so people can satisfy themselves with netflix and spotify and computer games and have more things to keep their attention, so people are generally less likely to want to complain about things via music. today people complain about "slowness" of the incredible technology we have if things take 2 nanoseconds longer to perform than they want. almost half the US electorate didn't bother voting in the recent GE and only about a quarter of them actually voted for trump. so if people can't be bothered to vote, they aren't likely to bother to make music that will end up in your eardrums unless you search for it. but certainly i've seen (but not bothered/wanted to listen to) music online reacting to the trump results. years ago you would need to wait weeks for it to be recorded and pressed and sent to radio or put online in order to hear it
things have moved on considerably now. you can download software on your computer for free and record your own protest song and upload it to youtube and soundcloud within minutes if you want to and have the ability. you can pick up an iphone and just record yourself improvising on a guitar for 3 minutes and have it online seconds later”
It parrtly depends on how one characterises the internet/web. Is it a neutral technology platform where every participant has an equal right to be published or heard? Or is the internet web influenced by major corporate entities such as Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft who can filter out dissent through search engine algorithms?
Whilst the internet can be a much quicker way to publish but will it get heard amidst the huge amount of online traffic? It's genuinely difficult to work out why some things go viral and others don't.
As for Video games, social media, YouTube, Spotify, these might be thought of as the new opiates of the people, deflecting them from challenging any of the political and economic decisions that may not be in their general interest. Globalisation, for example, is built upon internet technologies and the benefits of globalisation have not been distributed equally. But if people would rather play online games, then so what.
Social media has been used to organise dissent to some degree (the Arab Spring in Egypt and Tunisia) but equally Twitter has been the source of huge amounts of dis and misinformation.
Adam Curtis has put out a great documentary called Hypernormalisation which deals with some of these issues.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rnormalisation
Just because they don't shout, it doesn't mean they aren't angry...
From a great height he's looking down on his city at night
From gilded room of gold, marble and soft perfume
And he's proud to say he built his fortune the old-fashioned way
Because to succeed there's only one thing you really need
A million dollar loan
Nobody makes it on their own without
A million dollar loan
You'll reap what you've sown from
A million dollar loan
Call your father on the phone and get that
Million dollar loan
His enemies can't contain the flames of jealousy
With brutish charm the women flock to be on his arm
Because it's a sign of weakness to apologize
And he counter sues from any corner he's backed into
More protest songs at http://www.30days30songs.com
Including...
Hey Mr. Tangerine Man
Leave your gilded throne
Call back your campaign loans
Maybe throw the hawks a bone
Send the Muslims home
Then kill’ em with a drone
They'll never know what hit em
From a great height he's looking down on his city at night
From gilded room of gold, marble and soft perfume
And he's proud to say he built his fortune the old-fashioned way
Because to succeed there's only one thing you really need
A million dollar loan
Nobody makes it on their own without
A million dollar loan
You'll reap what you've sown from
A million dollar loan
Call your father on the phone and get that
Million dollar loan
His enemies can't contain the flames of jealousy
With brutish charm the women flock to be on his arm
Because it's a sign of weakness to apologize
And he counter sues from any corner he's backed into
More protest songs at http://www.30days30songs.com
Including...
Hey Mr. Tangerine Man
Leave your gilded throne
Call back your campaign loans
Maybe throw the hawks a bone
Send the Muslims home
Then kill’ em with a drone
They'll never know what hit em
Originally Posted by yviebabe:
“I look to music to lift my spirits, and dance round the kitchen to while doing the dinner!”
“I look to music to lift my spirits, and dance round the kitchen to while doing the dinner!”
Same!
Everyone and everything else is so angry. Music is a nice escape.
Originally Posted by BasilRathbon:
“I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival!”
“I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival!”
Music wise I think that era produced some of the greatest music ever. There's shed loads of it still remembered and still played a lot today for the simple fact that the music was far far more melodic than the punk era that preceded it . Personally I love Punk (Five Minutes by The Stranglers being one of my favourites) but at the same time music doesn't have to be all angry to be good. I can fully understand why some people think it's shouting tuneless garbage so I'm not going to post about 10 links to different punk songs to 'prove' it's good. When it comes down to it it's the songs with melodies that are remembered on the whole.
If people are fed up with politics maybe we DO need an early 80s revival where the music was generally more fun to listen to so we can all calm down a bit. If you're feeling angry about politics the last thing we need is an angry music revival that will make people even more angry.
Originally Posted by Adamsk:
“Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.”
“Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.”
Hope so! Because music is so ball crushingly bland, safe & corporate at the mo.
It's due a clear out like what happened with punk or the Madchester scene in the 90s.
Dunno how realistic my hankering is, but the music industry seriously needs a boot up the bum. it's SOOOO DULL!!
Originally Posted by Adamsk:
“Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.”
“Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.”
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“It parrtly depends on how one characterises the internet/web. Is it a neutral technology platform where every participant has an equal right to be published or heard? Or is the internet web influenced by major corporate entities such as Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft who can filter out dissent through search engine algorithms?
Whilst the internet can be a much quicker way to publish but will it get heard amidst the huge amount of online traffic? It's genuinely difficult to work out why some things go viral and others don't.
As for Video games, social media, YouTube, Spotify, these might be thought of as the new opiates of the people, deflecting them from challenging any of the political and economic decisions that may not be in their general interest. Globalisation, for example, is built upon internet technologies and the benefits of globalisation have not been distributed equally. But if people would rather play online games, then so what.
Social media has been used to organise dissent to some degree (the Arab Spring in Egypt and Tunisia) but equally Twitter has been the source of huge amounts of dis and misinformation.
Adam Curtis has put out a great documentary called Hypernormalisation which deals with some of these issues.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rnormalisation”
“It parrtly depends on how one characterises the internet/web. Is it a neutral technology platform where every participant has an equal right to be published or heard? Or is the internet web influenced by major corporate entities such as Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft who can filter out dissent through search engine algorithms?
Whilst the internet can be a much quicker way to publish but will it get heard amidst the huge amount of online traffic? It's genuinely difficult to work out why some things go viral and others don't.
As for Video games, social media, YouTube, Spotify, these might be thought of as the new opiates of the people, deflecting them from challenging any of the political and economic decisions that may not be in their general interest. Globalisation, for example, is built upon internet technologies and the benefits of globalisation have not been distributed equally. But if people would rather play online games, then so what.
Social media has been used to organise dissent to some degree (the Arab Spring in Egypt and Tunisia) but equally Twitter has been the source of huge amounts of dis and misinformation.
Adam Curtis has put out a great documentary called Hypernormalisation which deals with some of these issues.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rnormalisation”
are you following a different thread or just trying to start another pointless argument based on nothing to do with what the OP asked, which is in the first post and quoted above? you tried the same again recently when someone asked a simple question to which you added a whole bunch of other things. this time you are so off tangent
people have never had the same equal opportunities and probably never will. but the op never asked about that
Originally Posted by unique:
“are you following a different thread or just trying to start another pointless argument based on nothing to do with what the OP asked, which is in the first post and quoted above? you tried the same again recently when someone asked a simple question to which you added a whole bunch of other things. this time you are so off tangent
people have never had the same equal opportunities and probably never will. but the op never asked about that”
“are you following a different thread or just trying to start another pointless argument based on nothing to do with what the OP asked, which is in the first post and quoted above? you tried the same again recently when someone asked a simple question to which you added a whole bunch of other things. this time you are so off tangent
people have never had the same equal opportunities and probably never will. but the op never asked about that”
As in the last instance, I'll leave it for others to decide.
Simple point which you missed is that whilst there have been protest songs since at least the 60s, why was there a particular reference to Punk and Grunge, what made the years around the late 70s and early 90s different if there has always been protest songs?
And what makes you think people are happier now? Just because you have video games and Spotify doesn't necessarily make you happy, it just gives you something to do and listen to.
And was Trump not the champion of the angry white guys? What made them angry?
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