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Will music get real and Angry again.
Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.
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Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.
and the problem is..... punk and grunge have been done, so to create something new theyll have to look much harder, or just use punk and grunge in a watered down almost cabaret style way. |
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Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival! |
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I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival! |
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I look to music to lift my spirits, and dance round the kitchen to while doing the dinner!
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I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival! ![]() i dont want a new romantic revival, it would be fancy dress meets karaoke the same way indie has, and goth, and rock... it was great, but was of its time. |
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I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival! |
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No, because record companies continue to play it far too safe.
They just want to sign artists that are similar to already existing artists. Anything new or ground breaking shall remain popular to only a small minority who have heard the music. The best anyone could hope for is Arctic Monkeys smashing it once again in 2017 with their follow up to AM. Other than that, nothing. |
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You do realise that the 80's wasn't just Wham! and Spandau Ballet? The Smiths, U2, The Specials, Tracy Chapman, Billy Bragg, Peter Gabriel? And they are just some artists that have had mainstream success during the 80's.
Have a wonderful dream Margaret on the guillotine Cause people like you Make me feel so tired When will you die? When will you die? When will you die? When will you die? When will you die? And people like you Make me feel so old inside Please die ![]() maybe Mozza will write a funny one about Trump ? |
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I look to music to lift my spirits, and dance round the kitchen to while doing the dinner!
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No, because record companies continue to play it far too safe.
. but theres no anger, passion, opinion in todays youth, if there was there would be nothing to stop such a movement being created and it would be a lot easier now through social media |
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You do realise that the 80's wasn't just Wham! and Spandau Ballet? The Smiths, U2, The Specials, Tracy Chapman, Billy Bragg, Peter Gabriel? And they are just some artists that have had mainstream success during the 80's.
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No, because record companies continue to play it far too safe.
They just want to sign artists that are similar to already existing artists. Anything new or ground breaking shall remain popular to only a small minority who have heard the music. The best anyone could hope for is Arctic Monkeys smashing it once again in 2017 with their follow up to AM. Other than that, nothing. Quote:
I look to music to lift my spirits, and dance round the kitchen to while doing the dinner!
Make them think while you move their Feet..... Stand Down Margaret.....https://youtu.be/-K6YWX4OL0o |
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Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.
these days with the internet you can have considerably angrier music as people can record what they want and post it online with greater immediacy without needing record companies and other in betweens, so closer to the real indie punk and grunge labels. remember hip hop in particular has a wide variety from ass and ho and money problem lyrics to things more like duck the police and cop killer however life is typically much better for most people these days. the advent of the internet gives people all sorts of avenues to voice frustrations, but also gaining entertainment, so people can satisfy themselves with netflix and spotify and computer games and have more things to keep their attention, so people are generally less likely to want to complain about things via music. today people complain about "slowness" of the incredible technology we have if things take 2 nanoseconds longer to perform than they want. almost half the US electorate didn't bother voting in the recent GE and only about a quarter of them actually voted for trump. so if people can't be bothered to vote, they aren't likely to bother to make music that will end up in your eardrums unless you search for it. but certainly i've seen (but not bothered/wanted to listen to) music online reacting to the trump results. years ago you would need to wait weeks for it to be recorded and pressed and sent to radio or put online in order to hear it things have moved on considerably now. you can download software on your computer for free and record your own protest song and upload it to youtube and soundcloud within minutes if you want to and have the ability. you can pick up an iphone and just record yourself improvising on a guitar for 3 minutes and have it online seconds later |
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protest songs still exist, this was a big song this year on 6music
Poem - She Drew The Gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15_m1XEdAI |
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not sure what you mean by "angry" but there's been music with similar types of protest lyrics and angst etc all the way through since the 60s
these days with the internet you can have considerably angrier music as people can record what they want and post it online with greater immediacy without needing record companies and other in betweens, so closer to the real indie punk and grunge labels. remember hip hop in particular has a wide variety from ass and ho and money problem lyrics to things more like duck the police and cop killer however life is typically much better for most people these days. the advent of the internet gives people all sorts of avenues to voice frustrations, but also gaining entertainment, so people can satisfy themselves with netflix and spotify and computer games and have more things to keep their attention, so people are generally less likely to want to complain about things via music. today people complain about "slowness" of the incredible technology we have if things take 2 nanoseconds longer to perform than they want. almost half the US electorate didn't bother voting in the recent GE and only about a quarter of them actually voted for trump. so if people can't be bothered to vote, they aren't likely to bother to make music that will end up in your eardrums unless you search for it. but certainly i've seen (but not bothered/wanted to listen to) music online reacting to the trump results. years ago you would need to wait weeks for it to be recorded and pressed and sent to radio or put online in order to hear it things have moved on considerably now. you can download software on your computer for free and record your own protest song and upload it to youtube and soundcloud within minutes if you want to and have the ability. you can pick up an iphone and just record yourself improvising on a guitar for 3 minutes and have it online seconds later Whilst the internet can be a much quicker way to publish but will it get heard amidst the huge amount of online traffic? It's genuinely difficult to work out why some things go viral and others don't. As for Video games, social media, YouTube, Spotify, these might be thought of as the new opiates of the people, deflecting them from challenging any of the political and economic decisions that may not be in their general interest. Globalisation, for example, is built upon internet technologies and the benefits of globalisation have not been distributed equally. But if people would rather play online games, then so what. Social media has been used to organise dissent to some degree (the Arab Spring in Egypt and Tunisia) but equally Twitter has been the source of huge amounts of dis and misinformation. Adam Curtis has put out a great documentary called Hypernormalisation which deals with some of these issues. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rnormalisation |
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Just because they don't shout, it doesn't mean they aren't angry...
From a great height he's looking down on his city at night From gilded room of gold, marble and soft perfume And he's proud to say he built his fortune the old-fashioned way Because to succeed there's only one thing you really need A million dollar loan Nobody makes it on their own without A million dollar loan You'll reap what you've sown from A million dollar loan Call your father on the phone and get that Million dollar loan His enemies can't contain the flames of jealousy With brutish charm the women flock to be on his arm Because it's a sign of weakness to apologize And he counter sues from any corner he's backed into More protest songs at http://www.30days30songs.com Including... Hey Mr. Tangerine Man Leave your gilded throne Call back your campaign loans Maybe throw the hawks a bone Send the Muslims home Then kill’ em with a drone They'll never know what hit em |
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yes those 30- day songs great example a lot of them are really good
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I look to music to lift my spirits, and dance round the kitchen to while doing the dinner!
Everyone and everything else is so angry. Music is a nice escape. |
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I certainly hope not. Take away the image and notoriety and if you just listen to the music, both punk and grunge just sounded like stroppy teenagers having hissy fits.
I would say that in harsh economic times, music is far more likely to become more escapist and hedonistic, as it did in the early 1980s when Thatcher and Reagan ruled. Here's hoping for a new romantic revival! If people are fed up with politics maybe we DO need an early 80s revival where the music was generally more fun to listen to so we can all calm down a bit. If you're feeling angry about politics the last thing we need is an angry music revival that will make people even more angry. |
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Will we see something like Punk and Grunge again now Trump is president.
It's due a clear out like what happened with punk or the Madchester scene in the 90s. Dunno how realistic my hankering is, but the music industry seriously needs a boot up the bum. it's SOOOO DULL!!
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It's sad how American Idiot is relevant all over again.
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I can't see it happening until kids start playing their own songs again instead of cover versions.
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It parrtly depends on how one characterises the internet/web. Is it a neutral technology platform where every participant has an equal right to be published or heard? Or is the internet web influenced by major corporate entities such as Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft who can filter out dissent through search engine algorithms?
Whilst the internet can be a much quicker way to publish but will it get heard amidst the huge amount of online traffic? It's genuinely difficult to work out why some things go viral and others don't. As for Video games, social media, YouTube, Spotify, these might be thought of as the new opiates of the people, deflecting them from challenging any of the political and economic decisions that may not be in their general interest. Globalisation, for example, is built upon internet technologies and the benefits of globalisation have not been distributed equally. But if people would rather play online games, then so what. Social media has been used to organise dissent to some degree (the Arab Spring in Egypt and Tunisia) but equally Twitter has been the source of huge amounts of dis and misinformation. Adam Curtis has put out a great documentary called Hypernormalisation which deals with some of these issues. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rnormalisation people have never had the same equal opportunities and probably never will. but the op never asked about that |
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are you following a different thread or just trying to start another pointless argument based on nothing to do with what the OP asked, which is in the first post and quoted above? you tried the same again recently when someone asked a simple question to which you added a whole bunch of other things. this time you are so off tangent
people have never had the same equal opportunities and probably never will. but the op never asked about that Simple point which you missed is that whilst there have been protest songs since at least the 60s, why was there a particular reference to Punk and Grunge, what made the years around the late 70s and early 90s different if there has always been protest songs? And what makes you think people are happier now? Just because you have video games and Spotify doesn't necessarily make you happy, it just gives you something to do and listen to. And was Trump not the champion of the angry white guys? What made them angry? |
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