As far as I know it's against the law to fire someone because their pregnant so wouldn't a shop manager be aware of those rules?
EE Surely that was illegal?
Originally Posted by Peg ODwyer:
“I think Libby already pointed that out to her Mother.”
“I think Libby already pointed that out to her Mother.”
Yes but surely a professional shop manager wouldn't do that in the first place knowing the trouble he could get in.
it was a very bad script.
Originally Posted by TLC1098:
“Yes but surely a professional shop manager wouldn't do that in the first place knowing the trouble he could get in.
it was a very bad script.”
“Yes but surely a professional shop manager wouldn't do that in the first place knowing the trouble he could get in.
it was a very bad script.”
I agree.
Extremely unrealistic. I know EE isn't exactly based in the real world but it's supposed to have an element of truth to it.
I can imagine MAYBE (and I really stress "maybe") a small independent business making this mistake but an area manager of a large chain company with its own Head Office, HR department etc just wouldn't treat someone that way, and wouldn't have an area manager who acted that way - he'd have been extensively trained and would be professional (and if he did act that way he'd have been complained about and fired in his first week).
Remember that God-awful social worker a couple of years ago in the Lexi/Lola storyline who got a shed-load of complaints from viewers? This is up there with that in the realism stakes.
I can imagine MAYBE (and I really stress "maybe") a small independent business making this mistake but an area manager of a large chain company with its own Head Office, HR department etc just wouldn't treat someone that way, and wouldn't have an area manager who acted that way - he'd have been extensively trained and would be professional (and if he did act that way he'd have been complained about and fired in his first week).
Remember that God-awful social worker a couple of years ago in the Lexi/Lola storyline who got a shed-load of complaints from viewers? This is up there with that in the realism stakes.
As an HR and Develoment Manager for a Global Corporate Finance Firm all I can say is that one of our biggest frustrations is regional or area managers making a knee jerk decision and being dragged back into line by Human Resources afterwards.
I didn't see the scene but I can't even count the occasions that I have had to haul an employee in and apologise for the incorrect information they received or the abysmal treatment they have received purely because a manager has failed to check the guidelines with us before making an impulse decision!
Also, many employers make these decisions knowing that they are wrong but take the risk thinking that the employee won't have the gumption to take it further
I didn't see the scene but I can't even count the occasions that I have had to haul an employee in and apologise for the incorrect information they received or the abysmal treatment they have received purely because a manager has failed to check the guidelines with us before making an impulse decision!
Also, many employers make these decisions knowing that they are wrong but take the risk thinking that the employee won't have the gumption to take it further
perhaps try to scare her off, thinking she did not know about rules, and he succeeded, until Libby found out
Originally Posted by craig_25:
“As an HR and Develoment Manager for a Global Corporate Finance Firm all I can say is that one of our biggest frustrations is regional or area managers making a knee jerk decision and being dragged back into line by Human Resources afterwards.
I didn't see the scene but I can't even count the occasions thatI have had to haul an employee in and apologise for the incorrect information they received or the abysmal treatment they have received purely because a manager has failed to check the guidelines with us before making an impulse decision!
Also, many employers make these decisions knowing that they are wrong but take the risk thinking that the employee won't have the gumption to take it further”
“As an HR and Develoment Manager for a Global Corporate Finance Firm all I can say is that one of our biggest frustrations is regional or area managers making a knee jerk decision and being dragged back into line by Human Resources afterwards.
I didn't see the scene but I can't even count the occasions thatI have had to haul an employee in and apologise for the incorrect information they received or the abysmal treatment they have received purely because a manager has failed to check the guidelines with us before making an impulse decision!
Also, many employers make these decisions knowing that they are wrong but take the risk thinking that the employee won't have the gumption to take it further”
BIB you really shouldn't be hauling employees in when your apologising, you ask them in. I think someone needs some extra HR training
He didn't sack her - he told her to go home as a Risk Assessment had not been done. This is correct procedure when someone is working in late pregnancy, as Denise is, although the staff member is usually there when the RA is done. Common sense stuff really - have you got a chair to sit down for short periods, who is doing the lifting and carrying, are you ever left on your own who would you call for help etc etc
If something went wrong with the pregnancy at work because arrangements were not in place to make work more manageable for the pregnant woman the firm could be sued right, left and centre.
If something went wrong with the pregnancy at work because arrangements were not in place to make work more manageable for the pregnant woman the firm could be sued right, left and centre.
The whole thing is a joke when it comes to that shop, it is not owned by Minute Mart it is a franchise name it works under, Patrick and Yolande bought the premises then later Patrick gave the shop to Kim and Denise as he felt guilty for basically blowing up the B&B . Eastenders scriptwriters and EP's have chosen to ignore several years of history and facts and just rewrite it all for some reason best known to themselves . The Area Manager character was written as an ill-informed idiot one assumes for dramatic licence.
He was heavy handed but a lot of middle managers are. They might have been given training in employment law but often it doesn't really go on or they just don't refer what they should to HR.
Even major, global companies have these problems. A good friend currently signed off from work's HR dept are doing everuthing properly but her line manager keeps contacting her directly, without them.knowing, asking her to do things for her do effectively work when certified as unfit. She clearly just doesn't understsnd what her kegsll boundaries are and this is a huge multi national company.
There are also compsnies that will do things illegally assuming that the employee won't know their rights, won't want the hasdle of fighting them or won't have the money to do so.
In this case though, unless I missed it, he didn't say she'd lose her job, Denise jumped to that conclusion.
Even major, global companies have these problems. A good friend currently signed off from work's HR dept are doing everuthing properly but her line manager keeps contacting her directly, without them.knowing, asking her to do things for her do effectively work when certified as unfit. She clearly just doesn't understsnd what her kegsll boundaries are and this is a huge multi national company.
There are also compsnies that will do things illegally assuming that the employee won't know their rights, won't want the hasdle of fighting them or won't have the money to do so.
In this case though, unless I missed it, he didn't say she'd lose her job, Denise jumped to that conclusion.
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“He was heavy handed but a lot of middle managers are. They might have been given training in employment law but often it doesn't really go on or they just don't refer what they should to HR.
Even major, global companies have these problems. A good friend currently signed off from work's HR dept are doing everuthing properly but her line manager keeps contacting her directly, without them.knowing, asking her to do things for her do effectively work when certified as unfit. She clearly just doesn't understsnd what her kegsll boundaries are and this is a huge multi national company.
There are also compsnies that will do things illegally assuming that the employee won't know their rights, won't want the hasdle of fighting them or won't have the money to do so.
In this case though, unless I missed it, he didn't say she'd lose her job, Denise jumped to that conclusion.”
“He was heavy handed but a lot of middle managers are. They might have been given training in employment law but often it doesn't really go on or they just don't refer what they should to HR.
Even major, global companies have these problems. A good friend currently signed off from work's HR dept are doing everuthing properly but her line manager keeps contacting her directly, without them.knowing, asking her to do things for her do effectively work when certified as unfit. She clearly just doesn't understsnd what her kegsll boundaries are and this is a huge multi national company.
There are also compsnies that will do things illegally assuming that the employee won't know their rights, won't want the hasdle of fighting them or won't have the money to do so.
In this case though, unless I missed it, he didn't say she'd lose her job, Denise jumped to that conclusion.”
I know there are some illeducated , illinformed arrogant twa*s out there but this character takes the biscuit " what is that " for her bump, "it is your problem" because he was not up to date on his info and "hand your tabard over" like it held the code for a nuclear weapon , the script writers are obviously deliberately writing this as over the top to annoy people about the character .
He can't be much of an Area Manager if Denise has made it to seven months of pregnancy before he's even noticed.
Clearly, he doesn't visit the shop that often.
Any shop I've ever worked in, the Area Manager/Manageress would show their face at least
once-a-fortnight.
Obnoxious bosses a bit of a theme on EastEnders this week - How apt considering the major global news, right now.
Clearly, he doesn't visit the shop that often.
Any shop I've ever worked in, the Area Manager/Manageress would show their face at least
once-a-fortnight.
Obnoxious bosses a bit of a theme on EastEnders this week - How apt considering the major global news, right now.
I found the scenes annoyingly unrealistic, what's with the cartoonish villainy this week? The guys after Jay, the play manager, Lee's boss, the son of the dead woman and now this guy!? Antagonistic guests are fine, but they all seem like they've been plucked out of a comedy and its been so hard to take seriously. Even Libby has kinda taken on the role this week with her insufferable "I'm a vegan and everyone must know it" attitude.
Nobody in real life would allow them self to be spoken to like that, least of all Denise. Disappointing writing.
Nobody in real life would allow them self to be spoken to like that, least of all Denise. Disappointing writing.
