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Old 12-11-2016, 14:23
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So, if say there was a SCD running say January to March, similar format but extended dances would you watch?

I am thinking.

Bollywood.
Disco.
Rock and Roll.
Lindy Hop.
Country Western.
Jazz
Flamenco
Bachata
Zouk

Maybe previous celebrities from SCD come back to extend their dance expierances, with newer more varied dances.

What dance would you like to see?
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Old 12-11-2016, 14:58
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No.

I'm losing interest in Strictly because it has moved away from what made it so good.

What I liked about Strictly was that it was a reality show, where people (happened to be celebrities) were taken out of their comfort zone to learn something new.
They used to have pros who could teach the 10 dances and there was a standard for each dance, so there was something specific to achieve, and it mattered if you did the dance you were asked to learn and you got better scores if you danced it better.

There always was the marks for entertainment side. I think that was a useful safety net for the Show, and it allowed those who were not good at learning to dance, to contribute and hopefully get respect for trying, and feel that they fitted in too.

A big part for me is the pro dancers. Part of what made the show better is the partnership between the pro and the celeb. They should form a team. The pro should be capable of teaching all the dances, and the pairing should have a large amount of control over their performance.

Now, the producers have taken too much control, devalued the position of the pro and the Show feels much more stage-managed.

I would prefer the show to have more of a let-it-happen type of management, where the producer creates the conditions to have a learning-to-dance competition and there is more of a feeling that it matters what they actually perform and how they perform it.

If there is something specific to achieve, and the pro has the capability to do their job, then there can be more emotion generated and it becomes more interesting and a REAL Reality Show. What we have now is an imitation reality show.
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:12
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No.

I'm losing interest in Strictly because it has moved away from what made it so good.

What I liked about Strictly was that it was a reality show, where people (happened to be celebrities) were taken out of their comfort zone to learn something new.
They used to have pros who could teach the 10 dances and there was a standard for each dance, so there was something specific to achieve, and it mattered if you did the dance you were asked to learn and you got better scores if you danced it better.

There always was the marks for entertainment side. I think that was a useful safety net for the Show, and it allowed those who were not good at learning to dance, to contribute and hopefully get respect for trying, and feel that they fitted in too.

A big part for me is the pro dancers. Part of what made the show better is the partnership between the pro and the celeb. They should form a team. The pro should be capable of teaching all the dances, and the pairing should have a large amount of control over their performance.

Now, the producers have taken too much control, devalued the position of the pro and the Show feels much more stage-managed.

I would prefer the show to have more of a let-it-happen type of management, where the producer creates the conditions to have a learning-to-dance competition and there is more of a feeling that it matters what they actually perform and how they perform it.

If there is something specific to achieve, and the pro has the capability to do their job, then there can be more emotion generated and it becomes more interesting and a REAL Reality Show. What we have now is an imitation reality show.
But that's exactly what would happen here? The pros will be a bit more out of their comfort zone, it is specialist dances so less control, more chance of mistakes. They would have to form a strong team, as our current professionals may not be able to do these new dances.
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:15
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Sometimes less is more.
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:16
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No - the series has been extended enough as it is without adding further weeks to the process, whether that be as part of the current show or an additional one. It'll be over-exposing the brand which is dangerous for any format.
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:18
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Im with Fatskia the show would be totally dumbed down introducing those dances - the show would need new pros as many are ballroom and latin specialists - so haw can they be the pro for dances they do not know or know little of ???
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:25
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No.

I'm losing interest in Strictly because it has moved away from what made it so good.

What I liked about Strictly was that it was a reality show, where people (happened to be celebrities) were taken out of their comfort zone to learn something new.
They used to have pros who could teach the 10 dances and there was a standard for each dance, so there was something specific to achieve, and it mattered if you did the dance you were asked to learn and you got better scores if you danced it better.

There always was the marks for entertainment side. I think that was a useful safety net for the Show, and it allowed those who were not good at learning to dance, to contribute and hopefully get respect for trying, and feel that they fitted in too.

A big part for me is the pro dancers. Part of what made the show better is the partnership between the pro and the celeb. They should form a team. The pro should be capable of teaching all the dances, and the pairing should have a large amount of control over their performance.

Now, the producers have taken too much control, devalued the position of the pro and the Show feels much more stage-managed.

I would prefer the show to have more of a let-it-happen type of management, where the producer creates the conditions to have a learning-to-dance competition and there is more of a feeling that it matters what they actually perform and how they perform it.

If there is something specific to achieve, and the pro has the capability to do their job, then there can be more emotion generated and it becomes more interesting and a REAL Reality Show. What we have now is an imitation reality show.
Excellent post.
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:34
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I really couldn't see it working as you'd have to get a different pro each week to teach the celebs the dances. And who would judge it? It's already hard enough to compare a samba to a quickstep, imagine the chaos throwing bhangra and lindyhop and line dancing into the mix.
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:34
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Im with Fatskia the show would be totally dumbed down introducing those dances - the show would need new pros as many are ballroom and latin specialists - so haw can they be the pro for dances they do not know or know little of ???
It wouldn't be dumbed down if you watched ITT this week the French version of SCD did this and it looked interesting.

The current pros have had to learn new dances, some confirmed in the past that a set dance was new to them.

It's a new challenge and the pro and celebrity would learn new routines.
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:42
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I completely overlooked the original question so to go back:

Bollywood - very possible; it'd be improvement in them shoehorning a Bollywood theme into a Salsa
Disco - again, a clean Disco theme would save the Salsa and Samba from being discofied
Rock and Roll - they did this before but it borrows to much from Jive and Charleston
Lindy Hop - a bit close to the Charleston IMO
Country Western - I'd love a hoedown group number but don't think it'd work for indivdual dances
Jazz - Possibly; could be close to the Jive considering we often have a Swing or Jazz version of the dance
Flamenco - a bit close to the Paso Doble IMO
Bachata - not sure if the style has enough depth to make an impact
Zouk - a bit close to the Salsa maybe?
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:42
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So, if say there was a SCD running say January to March, similar format but extended dances would you watch?

I am thinking.

Bollywood.
Disco.
Rock and Roll.
Lindy Hop.
Country Western.
Jazz
Flamenco
Bachata
Zouk

Maybe previous celebrities from SCD come back to extend their dance expierances, with newer more varied dances.

What dance would you like to see?
I think the problem is that they got rid of pro/celeb group dances which is where they used to do stuff like that - blues/swing dances, jitterbugs, disco and some dances that wouldn't work in the competition but could work as a one-off. If they bought things like that back it could work and diminish pointless filler it would also save us from things like Will Young doing Bollywood when he was technically supposed to be doing a samba. Doing a pro-celeb Bollywood dance later on in the competition when most of the people at least are good could work brilliantly.

The Rock n'Roll was tired as a dance in series seven it was boring, pointless, too close to jive and died a death. The only interest thing about it is we learnt Vincent couldn't do forward rolls and he called them roly polys.

The Lindy Hop came in as a direct comparison dance in the series seven finale and most people hated it.
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:43
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But that's exactly what would happen here? The pros will be a bit more out of their comfort zone, it is specialist dances so less control, more chance of mistakes. They would have to form a strong team, as our current professionals may not be able to do these new dances.
I think maybe you are missing the point about how important it is to have something specific to achieve.

If you do not have a specific aim, then how can you judge it?

The 10 dances have the advantage of having specific standards.

What you are suggesting seems more like a version of So You Think You Can Dance, but with worse dancing.
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:57
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no, sorry

I wish strictly would go back to its roots to be honest

less faffing, less props, appropriate music and sticking to the 5 main ballroom and latin dances
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Old 12-11-2016, 15:59
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I think the problem is that they got rid of pro/celeb group dances which is where they used to do stuff like that - blues/swing dances, jitterbugs, disco and some dances that wouldn't work in the competition but could work as a one-off. If they bought things like that back it could work and diminish pointless filler it would also save us from things like Will Young doing Bollywood when he was technically supposed to be doing a samba. Doing a pro-celeb Bollywood dance later on in the competition when most of the people at least are good could work brilliantly.

The Rock n'Roll was tired as a dance in series seven it was boring, pointless, too close to jive and died a death. The only interest thing about it is we learnt Vincent couldn't do forward rolls and he called them roly polys.

The Lindy Hop came in as a direct comparison dance in the series seven finale and most people hated it.
Yes, I think it would separate out these from the main show and make it more pure.
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Old 12-11-2016, 16:00
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no, sorry

I wish strictly would go back to its roots to be honest

less faffing, less props, appropriate music and sticking to the 5 main ballroom and latin dances
But that is a point, two separate shows it would take out these dances influence in the main show. Main show does go back to its roots.
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Old 12-11-2016, 16:03
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I think maybe you are missing the point about how important it is to have something specific to achieve.

If you do not have a specific aim, then how can you judge it?

The 10 dances have the advantage of having specific standards.

What you are suggesting seems more like a version of So You Think You Can Dance, but with worse dancing.
No?

Same aim, you do different dances each week, they are scored, as now a panel of judges with dance expierances in the current SCD the dances are different styles but marked. Maybe this version wouldn't gave eliminated couples but a ranking each week so full series everyone tries everything.

It works well in France.

I am definitely not suggesting so you think you can dance that's completely different. I think you missed the point.
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Old 12-11-2016, 17:06
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Nope it was good as it was in the early days don't ruin it with all the changes. the show needs to go back to its basic roots
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Old 12-11-2016, 17:16
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So, if say there was a SCD running say January to March, similar format but extended dances would you watch?

I am thinking.

Bollywood.
Disco.
Rock and Roll.
Lindy Hop.
Country Western.
Jazz
Flamenco
Bachata
Zouk

Maybe previous celebrities from SCD come back to extend their dance expierances, with newer more varied dances.

What dance would you like to see?

We had Dance Fever and SYTYCD (UK version) which both were based more on the dances you mention as opposed to ballroom & Latin, and both shows failed miserably, mainly because of lack of interest from the viewing public.

We also had an ITV version which likewise failed, despite using celebs.
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Old 12-11-2016, 17:18
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It wouldn't be dumbed down if you watched ITT this week the French version of SCD did this and it looked interesting.

The current pros have had to learn new dances, some confirmed in the past that a set dance was new to them.

It's a new challenge and the pro and celebrity would learn new routines.
The French version was appalling. Just one big mish-mash of nonsense.
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Old 12-11-2016, 17:48
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no, sorry

I wish strictly would go back to its roots to be honest

less faffing, less props, appropriate music and sticking to the 5 main ballroom and latin dances
In one-word: NO.
Cannot multi-quote, so chose to quote a shorter reply by katt; but also agree with fatskia's arguments %100.
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Old 12-11-2016, 17:53
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The French version was appalling. Just one big mish-mash of nonsense.
It looked very good to me.
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Old 12-11-2016, 18:00
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It wouldn't be dumbed down if you watched ITT this week the French version of SCD did this and it looked interesting.

The current pros have had to learn new dances, some confirmed in the past that a set dance was new to them.

It's a new challenge and the pro and celebrity would learn new routines.
The French version was appalling. Just one big mish-mash of nonsense.
Agreed - I thought the french version looked to be one big mess
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Old 12-11-2016, 18:10
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But that's exactly what would happen here? The pros will be a bit more out of their comfort zone, it is specialist dances so less control, more chance of mistakes. They would have to form a strong team, as our current professionals may not be able to do these new dances.
The whole point is that the celebs should be out of their comfort zone, not the pros. Otherwise the pros are trying to teach what they don't know themselves (something the programme is suffering badly enough from already with the number of pros who dont know their ballroom). If the pro isn't an expert, then what's the point of them? Maybe someone will pay me to go along and teach. I'm sure I'm ignorant enough.
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Old 12-11-2016, 18:22
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The whole point is that the celebs should be out of their comfort zone, not the pros. Otherwise the pros are trying to teach what they don't know themselves (something the programme is suffering badly enough from already with the number of pros who dont know their ballroom). If the pro isn't an expert, then what's the point of them? Maybe someone will pay me to go along and teach. I'm sure I'm ignorant enough.
I think that's the fun, TBH. The professionals are all good dancers, we have seen a few on ITT learn specialist dances recently, so it's slightly outside their comfort zone, but for all with base dancing experience they should be good. We have seen Chloe and Janette learn recently. Both did well.

It would be nice to see some extra new dances and increase the journey. I assume most of the professionals would be up for it.
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Old 12-11-2016, 18:24
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Nope it was good as it was in the early days don't ruin it with all the changes. the show needs to go back to its basic roots
This just about sums up my views too.
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