I still find it hilarious that some people can't accept other people's opinions, without trying to dismiss them with petty theories. Guess that's just human nature though.

Yes !! totally agree, her music is always traditional to the dance which in turn always makes the dance better.

I thought it was just me who found them overmarked

Good heavens, no! It has been going on for four years.

I found her quite bland and reserved at first but think shes started to come out of her shell in the last couple of weeks, I've really warmed to her.

Shes been marked fairly IMO.

I think the judges are pretty fair. Much as I find him irritating and cringe worthy Kevin is a good choreographer and has consistently brought out the best in dancers.

My problem is Claudia's favoroutism. The VT clip of him giving Louise a pep talk last week was so blatant. I'm willing to bet every dancer does this with their celeb. Also her pointing out the other members of the Clifton mafia calling the dance undermarked.

Beautifully said, many thanks
Hx

I am astounded by some of the comments here so had to take a look on YouTube as I have not seen the show (or marks /comments)
My opinion is that it was fabulous. I would have liked more fox content but Kevin had worked out choreography that worked with the music so well. Louise has really improved performance wise and I thought it was her best dance yet.She is such a classy dancer and she really looked as though she enjoyed every second. It is clear that she fully understands timing and has a real feel for music.Deserved good marks whatever they are.

I have liked watching Louise as a presenter on TV programmes in the past, lovely and down to earth. However on Scd, I groan as soon as she starts dancing! I'm not if it simply her nice face and lack of oomph, because clearly she can dance, and then it doesn't help that they get good music choice, and traditional clothes (I wish all the men would wear tails) and people who interest me (Claudia)

In my opinion she had just the right amount of "oomph", you must not over dance. Every movement was very well controlled as it should be, done in perfect timing.

I agree.

Yes, there was not enough dancing in hold even for an AS (or in shadow), but Kevin's choreography was very good and Louise acted and danced it well.

Funny how this favouritism thing crops up after she has two good weeks and suddenly seems like a contender.

Where was her favouritism when Len told her she'd plateaued?

By far the most blatant favouritism shown in the series was Bruno giving Laura a 9 every week from week 3, totally out of sync with the rest of the judges. This is the first week where he actually gave the boys more points on average than the girls whereas the others have been far fairer.

I can't detect any favouritism towards Louise

Has it not been noticed that anyone seen as being 'favoured' by the judges, or getting good marks is a factor in them losing public support? Equally a couple treated harshly with criticism and are perceived to have got lower marks than they deserve is a sure way to get a lot of the public behind them? If judges feel so strongly about a particular couple and are determined to get them the win (which I think is nonsense anyway) are they really so silly to have been doing this show for so many years, yet not to have noticed this obvious fact?

Yes, judges behave outrageously, favouring, i.e., giving good marks to those they think dance well and low marks to those who didn't. Looks like a conspiracy to me

I love Louise. Her dancing has improved - what bit I've seen - but she is such a sunny person.

Except it's not a theory, is it?

Kevin already had his haters but the game went up last year when nearly every Jay fan completely ignored the fact that Jay's victory had been sealed in week three and perceived Kellie (and Georgia to a lesser extent) to be a threat (lol, never). From then on it was just a vile campaign against the Cliftons with the most horrible things said about Kevin, Karen, and Joanne. The fact that most Jay fans think Danny is the best thing since sliced bread just because Ore is paired with Jo speaks volumes.

Kevin is a great professional who always get along well with his partners and is an excellent teacher. The funny thing is, I am not even a fan of his but the "criticism" (nastiness) directed at him and his partners is just too much so that I find myself coming to his defence every now and then.

Apparently Louise is supposed to get slanted by the judges each week, get at least 5 points less in scores than Danny, or it's favorism.

Totally agree with this post 👏👏

I have noticed over the last couple of years that you tend to comment more on other forum members views rather than concentrate on your own. Surely it is better to comment on who you like this year rather than still rerun last year's show. My favourite
last year was Jay, this year it is Ed. We are all different

Wait a moment - Joanne was very much loved on here last year after her stint on Choreography corner and Karen's run with duffers has seen her gain some likeability with the forum audience. The undermarked dance doesn't help their cause when people are ready to unfairly leap on anything Clifton related but I wouldn't say there's a vile campaign against the Clifton's. As you point out to a degree in your post, most people have an issue with Ore's personality rather than Joanne's in terms of that partnership whilst people were taking to Will and Karen.

People do have an issue with Kevin, that I cannot deny. For one I think it's because he's had a run of strong dancers across the competition (Frankie and Louise with performance training, Kellie at stage school and Susanna had proved herself to be adept in a Special) rather than a clear duffer... I think they should have probably given Lesley to Kevin this year and handed Louise to Anton, particularly if this is the latter's last year. For another is personality is very much of an excitable puppy. That's not a criticism but it can come across as overbearing and is very difficult to pair him with someone due to it; Kellie fed this approach leading them to bounce off the walls whilst Louise is in danger of being swamped by him, akin to Frankie though she just about held her head above water. When there's someone almost over-performing then a reserved person can appear a bit dull in the process - if with Anton, I think Louise's ballroom would come across as stylish, elegant and sophisticated. With Kevin, through no fault of neither, it can come across as a bit flat as the performance styles are so different.

Perceived favouritism is also an issue of course - Louise and Kevin are really due a bad song after Danny and Oti finally got theirs yesterday - and people are going to call in something subjective when they feel the judges aren't seeing what they're seeing. But in all truth I don't think Kevin has been pushed enough by producers yet in terms of celebrity and, when he is, his likeability may well increase with many; as an example Natalie was one of the most hated pros on here to start with but her partnerships with Michael and Ainsley turned the ship around.

Allegations of willful favouritism by the judges have to be proven. So where exactly is the proof of intent?
The answer of course is nowhere.
Some might say the public voters who staunchly support any couple are guilty of favouritism in that couples favour.
But once again intentional bias is very hard to prove.

My suspicion is that a lot (but by no means all) of the anti Louise/Kevin sentiment is down to people being worried that this couple are a real threat to their own favourite couple winning and they don't like it.
But once again I can't prove it.

The whole thing is a series of conspiracy theory and counter conspiracy theory.
My own feeling is that Danny probably has it pretty much won already but we will have to wait and see on that one.

All I can say is, besides being incorrect in your assumptions, I am flattered by your close attention to my posts.


Yes, Joanne was appreciated in CC but when it came to the show I remember quite a lot of people going "What is she doing in Clauditorium if she doesn't have a partner?" because of her constant cheering on Karen (until the point Jeremy went out) and Kevin. When Jeremy left, same criticism continued because Joanne AND Karen were cheering on Kevin "too much". Well, it's their brother and husband, wouldn't you do the same? And then obviously the final night when they pointed out that Karen and Jo had a face like a slapped arse in Clauditorium when the result was announced. I mean, really? He had just lost, give them all a break.

Every year we have those threads criticizing the Cliftons (especially Kevin) saying the most absurd things such as TPTB want him to win, he's Len's godson, etc. I am glad you pointed that people here do have an issue with Kevin and I have the impression that his detractors outnumber his supporters. But to me it shows how disconnected the opinions on this forum are from the rest of the viewers in general, otherwise he wouldn't have made 3 finals (probably heading for his fourth).

I do agree with you that he's due a duffer. Susanna was the dark horse but the other three would always have a great potential from the start.

I'm sorry I have left this argument to fester itself, but there was no ways there was any favouritism towards Louise last night, as yet again she was under marked by the judges, as she has been almost every week.

This week is was pretty bloody blatent by marking her lower than Danny, and it was more obvious because Danny's Argentine Tango was streets behind Louise's but he received only one less mark than Louise did.

There is no favouritism shown towards Louise, in fact the opposite is true.

This. Sums up how I feel about him; its the only year I've taken to him. Thought they were over marked last night though.