I don't think he is larking about at all. Yes, he's clearly having a great time. That comes across loud and clear and is very appealing. But you don't go from being a non-dancer to being able to do routines like he is without putting in the work. And hasn't he lost quite a bit of weight?
If Ed says in this this week
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It's been the sane on FB, with some citing the Come Dancing part of the name in their argument it's a competition. Bring back formation dancing! 😉 Personally I love Ed and Katya and they deserve to get as far as they can on merit. Len criticised Will and Karen's lack of salsa content yet no one has said a word about Ed and Katya's. If she gets hacked off at the lack of acknowledgement for the hard work they put in week after week then I don't blame her. Danny's almost perfectness since the start has left me cold. I've enjoyed Rob, Lesley, Claudia, Ed and Greg because they have improved and worked hard. Ed won't win but it's going to be a dull show when he leaves.
Not my own words, but a comment made on another site which I totally agree with. This was in relation to Len Goodman apparently criticising Ed and calling him chubby on a The One Show.
"They can't invite him onto the show and then complain when the public like him."
"They can't invite him onto the show and then complain when the public like him."
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“By all accounts Ed works just as hard and puts the hours in training as much as the others do. Fair enough, he doesn't have youth, stamina, experience or much natural talent on his side but that doesn't stop him giving it his all.
I enjoy SCD for both the dance and entertainment value and like the diversity of celebs each year. Tbh if every celeb who entered was as talented as Danny Mac/Natalie G or as useless as Widdicombe/J Sergant I'd soon bore of the show.
Just my take on it
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“By all accounts Ed works just as hard and puts the hours in training as much as the others do. Fair enough, he doesn't have youth, stamina, experience or much natural talent on his side but that doesn't stop him giving it his all.
I enjoy SCD for both the dance and entertainment value and like the diversity of celebs each year. Tbh if every celeb who entered was as talented as Danny Mac/Natalie G or as useless as Widdicombe/J Sergant I'd soon bore of the show.
Just my take on it
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I totally agree. The fact he hasn't a natural ability like the others means he has to work doubly hard.
I get that some people want him gone but to suggest he doesn't work as hard is completely unfair
Originally Posted by sradia:
“Like many others have said, I think of Strictly as an entertainment show first. It is hardly a level playing field in regards to previous experience, so personally I wouldn't judge it purely on who is the best technical dancer, otherwise we'd all be voting for the same three people every week, surely? I vote for who entertains and engages me the most, quite often that is a really good technical dancer too, but not always.
I also think Ed is not nearly as bad as the majority of the other series weakest dancers, he clearly tries, the dances have content and I think he is improving. I've voted for him every week so far because I find him entertaining and want to see what he does next. I've also voted for Greg, Daisy, Louise and Claudia because they have entertained and impressed me at one point or another and I didn't want them to go out that week. If I stop being entertained, I'll use my vote for someone else, I'm fickle like that
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“Like many others have said, I think of Strictly as an entertainment show first. It is hardly a level playing field in regards to previous experience, so personally I wouldn't judge it purely on who is the best technical dancer, otherwise we'd all be voting for the same three people every week, surely? I vote for who entertains and engages me the most, quite often that is a really good technical dancer too, but not always.
I also think Ed is not nearly as bad as the majority of the other series weakest dancers, he clearly tries, the dances have content and I think he is improving. I've voted for him every week so far because I find him entertaining and want to see what he does next. I've also voted for Greg, Daisy, Louise and Claudia because they have entertained and impressed me at one point or another and I didn't want them to go out that week. If I stop being entertained, I'll use my vote for someone else, I'm fickle like that
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The creator of Strictly created it to be an entertainment show based around celebs learning to dance http://www.express.co.uk/dayandnight...-I-got-nothing
I always think it's a bit unfair when people say the worse dancers have to work harder. They don't. I think they mostly work about the same but just produce different results. It almost seems as if people are resentful or blame people for being more talented. They still all have to learn a new dance every week. Each week the task is the same. And it's silly to think that because someone went to stage school that they know how to foxtrot or samba! Clearly no stage school teaches that.
Originally Posted by What name??:
“I always think it's a bit unfair when people say the worse dancers have to work harder. They don't. I think they mostly work about the same but just produce different results. It almost seems as if people are resentful or blame people for being more talented. They still all have to learn a new dance every week. Each week the task is the same. And it's silly to think that because someone went to stage school that they know how to foxtrot or samba! Clearly no stage school teaches that.”
“I always think it's a bit unfair when people say the worse dancers have to work harder. They don't. I think they mostly work about the same but just produce different results. It almost seems as if people are resentful or blame people for being more talented. They still all have to learn a new dance every week. Each week the task is the same. And it's silly to think that because someone went to stage school that they know how to foxtrot or samba! Clearly no stage school teaches that.”
But if they've been to stage school, they'll have learnt how to perform. If they haven't learnt that, it's a waste of time them having been there. Ed has had no such experience so he's had to learn how to perform as well as how to dance. Being coached on how to give a speech isn't the same thing.
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“But if they've been to stage school, they'll have learnt how to perform. If they haven't learnt that, it's a waste of time them having been there. Ed has had no such experience so he's had to learn how to perform as well as how to dance. Being coached on how to give a speech isn't the same thing.”
“But if they've been to stage school, they'll have learnt how to perform. If they haven't learnt that, it's a waste of time them having been there. Ed has had no such experience so he's had to learn how to perform as well as how to dance. Being coached on how to give a speech isn't the same thing.”
Politicians also learn how to perform, that's a big part of their job. As do presenters, gymnasts, lawyers and lots of other professions. Lots of people have to learn to project and perform. In fact everyone left in the show at this point has performing experience as part of their day job except Greg.
And I like both Ed and Danny. I don't think in order to like one it is compulsory to put the other down. They are both improving week on week. It's just that they have started at different levels.
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“Personally I don't see what's entertaining about someone who can't dance, not dancing on a dance show.
And I think it's unfair to the other performers who have to put in decent performances every week to stay on the show and Ed basically is able to turn up, lark about for two minutes, call it "entertainment" and get through week after week.
Just my take on it.”
“Personally I don't see what's entertaining about someone who can't dance, not dancing on a dance show.
And I think it's unfair to the other performers who have to put in decent performances every week to stay on the show and Ed basically is able to turn up, lark about for two minutes, call it "entertainment" and get through week after week.
Just my take on it.”
But he isn't doing that, is he? He is turning up for training the same as Danny and Louise (just as examples), performing the same as them, doing exactly the same as everyone else.
Originally Posted by Leicester_Hunk:
“,.. performing the same as them, doing exactly the same as everyone else...”
“,.. performing the same as them, doing exactly the same as everyone else...”
I think they are all working just as hard as each other but are they really performing the same?
Originally Posted by What name??:
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I think they are all working just as hard as each other but are they really performing the same?”
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I think they are all working just as hard as each other but are they really performing the same?
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I wasn't talking about quality of performance. I meant actually getting out on the dance floor on a Saturday night.
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Politicians also learn how to perform, that's a big part of their job. As do presenters, gymnasts, lawyers and lots of other professions. Lots of people have to learn to project and perform. In fact everyone left in the show at this point has performing experience as part of their day job except Greg.
And I like both Ed and Danny. I don't think in order to like one it is compulsory to put the other down. They are both improving week on week. It's just that they have started at different levels.”
“Politicians also learn how to perform, that's a big part of their job. As do presenters, gymnasts, lawyers and lots of other professions. Lots of people have to learn to project and perform. In fact everyone left in the show at this point has performing experience as part of their day job except Greg.
And I like both Ed and Danny. I don't think in order to like one it is compulsory to put the other down. They are both improving week on week. It's just that they have started at different levels.”
Eh? Since when was dance experience a re-requisite to be a politician or a lawyer?
If SCD was a debating contest, then a politician (or lawyer) who's been trained in the art of public speaking, being assertive, how to project your voice and appear authoritiative etc would definitely have the advantage over someone who's never been required to do any of that. But it isn't. It's a dancing show. Therefore, anyone with even the slightest bit of dance or performing arts training will naturally have an advantage over anyone who's never been required to do that.I don't think anyone's saying that a trained celeb doesn't work as hard on the show as the un-trained, but it's crazy to say it's no easier for a trained dancer as an un-trained one. You say this yourself in your last sentence.
Originally Posted by David Wright:
“Personally I don't see what's entertaining about someone who can't dance, not dancing on a dance show.
And I think it's unfair to the other performers who have to put in decent performances every week to stay on the show and Ed basically is able to turn up, lark about for two minutes, call it "entertainment" and get through week after week.
Just my take on it.”
“Personally I don't see what's entertaining about someone who can't dance, not dancing on a dance show.
And I think it's unfair to the other performers who have to put in decent performances every week to stay on the show and Ed basically is able to turn up, lark about for two minutes, call it "entertainment" and get through week after week.
Just my take on it.”
Very old thread, potentially similar situation ... Anton's thoughts
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=935902
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“Anton: Er, no... I don't think there was more pressure on John. During SCD series 1 there was a young man, Chris Parker, who danced. Terribly. And made the final. I couldn't care less after that 'cos I didn't make the final, I danced with Lesley Garrett who danced marvellously. That's the show. If John gets in the final and wins, great, why shouldn't he. He's doing exactly what he's supposed to do which is turn up on a Saturday night, and dance.”
“Anton: Er, no... I don't think there was more pressure on John. During SCD series 1 there was a young man, Chris Parker, who danced. Terribly. And made the final. I couldn't care less after that 'cos I didn't make the final, I danced with Lesley Garrett who danced marvellously. That's the show. If John gets in the final and wins, great, why shouldn't he. He's doing exactly what he's supposed to do which is turn up on a Saturday night, and dance.”
Originally Posted by gashead:
“Eh? Since when was dance experience a re-requisite to be a politician or a lawyer? :”
“Eh? Since when was dance experience a re-requisite to be a politician or a lawyer? :”
Read it again. I said performing is part of their job and it is.
I don't know about anyone else, but all the criticism of Ed in several threads, just makes me more determined to keep on voting for him. To me he is what SCD should be about, and gives me a lot of joy.
Originally Posted by Tommo781:
“I don't know about anyone else, but all the criticism of Ed in several threads, just makes me more determined to keep on voting for him. To me he is what SCD should be about, and gives me a lot of joy.”
“I don't know about anyone else, but all the criticism of Ed in several threads, just makes me more determined to keep on voting for him. To me he is what SCD should be about, and gives me a lot of joy.”
Me too Tommo, he cracks me up.
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Read it again. I said performing is part of their job and it is.”
“Read it again. I said performing is part of their job and it is.”
The only 'performing' required on SCD is dancing. A politician may have had 'performance' training in public speaking, assertiveness, influence, body language etc, but how is that going to help them in a show that only requires them to dance well? I'll put it another way. Do you imagine wannbe politicians are recommended to sign up for dancing lessons prior to putting their name on the ballot?
Originally Posted by What name??:
“Read it again. I said performing is part of their job and it is.”
“Read it again. I said performing is part of their job and it is.”
Performing is part of all jobs. It's not restricted to the entertainment industry or any role which requires a receptive audience.
The crucial difference is about considering how far away from an individual's usual area of performance they are when they take part in Strictly.
As a politician, Ed's skillset was very specific when executing his role in the HoC or when speaking in public. Ed is used to being on the receiving end of criticism, challenges, interruptions and sometimes hostility. That requires very differing disciplines and modes of communication than an entertainer uses. No matter how compelling his speeches may have been (or not)... he couldn't fall back on a bit of "jazz hands" in order to get people to concur with his arguments.
Actors, singers, sportsmen and women perform in front of an audience which expects to be entertained and expects to see emotions being demonstrated during that performance. They want to be blown away by the performance they are there to see and furthermore, they actually want to be "on-side" with the performer. It's far easier for an entertainer to engage with their audience than it is for an average politician.
Ed has actually surpassed himself in the way he has immersed himself in Strictly and has embraced it fully and with conviction. THAT is why he is proving so popular.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Performing is part of all jobs. It's not restricted to the entertainment industry or any role which requires a receptive audience.
The crucial difference is about considering how far away from an individual's usual area of performance they are when they take part in Strictly.
As a politician, Ed's skillset was very specific when executing his role in the HoC or when speaking in public. Ed is used to being on the receiving end of criticism, challenges, interruptions and sometimes hostility. That requires very differing disciplines and modes of communication than an entertainer uses. No matter how compelling his speeches may have been (or not)... he couldn't fall back on a bit of "jazz hands" in order to get people to concur with his arguments.
Actors, singers, sportsmen and women perform in front of an audience which expects to be entertained and expects to see emotions being demonstrated during that performance. They want to be blown away by the performance they are there to see and furthermore, they actually want to be "on-side" with the performer. It's far easier for an entertainer to engage with their audience than it is for an average politician.
Ed has actually surpassed himself in the way he has immersed himself in Strictly and has embraced it fully and with conviction. THAT is why he is proving so popular.”
“Performing is part of all jobs. It's not restricted to the entertainment industry or any role which requires a receptive audience.
The crucial difference is about considering how far away from an individual's usual area of performance they are when they take part in Strictly.
As a politician, Ed's skillset was very specific when executing his role in the HoC or when speaking in public. Ed is used to being on the receiving end of criticism, challenges, interruptions and sometimes hostility. That requires very differing disciplines and modes of communication than an entertainer uses. No matter how compelling his speeches may have been (or not)... he couldn't fall back on a bit of "jazz hands" in order to get people to concur with his arguments.
Actors, singers, sportsmen and women perform in front of an audience which expects to be entertained and expects to see emotions being demonstrated during that performance. They want to be blown away by the performance they are there to see and furthermore, they actually want to be "on-side" with the performer. It's far easier for an entertainer to engage with their audience than it is for an average politician.
Ed has actually surpassed himself in the way he has immersed himself in Strictly and has embraced it fully and with conviction. THAT is why he is proving so popular.
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BIB Agree entirely!!
I tutted when I saw his name, never liked him as a politician........I am loving his sheer abandon and his embracing everything that is Strictly!!!
Originally Posted by What name??:
“I always think it's a bit unfair when people say the worse dancers have to work harder. They don't. I think they mostly work about the same but just produce different results. It almost seems as if people are resentful or blame people for being more talented. They still all have to learn a new dance every week. Each week the task is the same. And it's silly to think that because someone went to stage school that they know how to foxtrot or samba! Clearly no stage school teaches that.”
“I always think it's a bit unfair when people say the worse dancers have to work harder. They don't. I think they mostly work about the same but just produce different results. It almost seems as if people are resentful or blame people for being more talented. They still all have to learn a new dance every week. Each week the task is the same. And it's silly to think that because someone went to stage school that they know how to foxtrot or samba! Clearly no stage school teaches that.”
But you are not taking into account that Ed is completely out of his comfort zone - he is older, over weight and probably out of condition, whereas the others are young & fit. I think he is doing an amazing job in the face of these obstacles.
Originally Posted by Tommo781:
“I don't know about anyone else, but all the criticism of Ed in several threads, just makes me more determined to keep on voting for him. To me he is what SCD should be about, and gives me a lot of joy .”
“I don't know about anyone else, but all the criticism of Ed in several threads, just makes me more determined to keep on voting for him. To me he is what SCD should be about, and gives me a lot of joy .”
Absolutley this. I wasn't going to bother voting once Anton & Lesley left, but i am so loving Ed Balls that I don't want him to go and he gets my 3 online votes every week.
We are venturing into the realms of Is it a dance competition or and enetertainment show? It is both and those who denigrate Ed should remember this. Just becaue he isn't as good a dancer as Danny, for instance, doesn't mean he shouldn't be there - love what Danny does, but he doesn't entertain me as much as Ed does.
ETA: The views on youtube are still rising.
Originally Posted by daisydee:
“But you are not taking into account that Ed is completely out of his comfort zone - he is older, over weight and probably out of condition, whereas the others are young & fit. I think he is doing an amazing job in the face of these obstacles.”
“But you are not taking into account that Ed is completely out of his comfort zone - he is older, over weight and probably out of condition, whereas the others are young & fit. I think he is doing an amazing job in the face of these obstacles.”
I am taking that into account. Which is partly why he continues to keep my vote. It's just that I like seeing a well executed dance too and I think those producing them have obviously worked very hard to do so, ditto with those improving.
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