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#201 |
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This Clifton-bashing thread is looking interchangeable with a Clinton-bashing thread. Get the e-mails out.
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Oh, I got you wrong.
I thought you meant Jo and Karen only ever cheered for Kevin (and none of the others) but you mean that they alone cheer for him??I give up!! I'm confusing myself now and, honestly, having watched it back, I'm surprised that two demob happy women have caused such a long debate. ![]() ![]() ![]() What a way to spend your life.
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Ok, even as someone who usually defends the Cliftons, I agree that the undermarked shouting was a misjudgement on the part of Joanne and Karen and they shouldn't have done it.
However Kevin behaves perfectly well there, and tbh, I'm more interested in what that exchange between Kevin and Natalie (and Anton) was all about than Joanne and Karen's shenanigans! ![]() .
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You're as confused as I am!!
![]() ![]() What a way to spend your life. ![]() I'm sure two de-mob happy forumers can create a bit of a stir
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Let's rebel and run amok!
I'm sure two de-mob happy forumers can create a bit of a stir![]()
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Let's rebel and run amok!
I'm sure two de-mob happy forumers can create a bit of a stir
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On here??? No one will notice the difference.
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Is there anything left in the outrageous coffers? Oh well, maybe we'll have to go all Measure for Measure and be oooober sober. That'll stand out |
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Someone will open a thread and we'll get ripped to pieces.
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Ok, even as someone who usually defends the Cliftons, I agree that the undermarked shouting was a misjudgement on the part of Joanne and Karen and they shouldn't have done it.
However Kevin behaves perfectly well there, and tbh, I'm more interested in what that exchange between Kevin and Natalie (and Anton) was all about than Joanne and Karen's shenanigans! ![]() .![]() What exchange? Was this at the same time? |
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Not you. You've got a Castle. They'll drown in the moat while you pelt them with stuff from the lavvy
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The pair of them just looked a bit lairy to me. I've done far worse on a Big Night Out.
![]() What exchange? Was this at the same time? How sad am I watching it again? I said I wasn't going to do that after giving in and tracking Kevin's Clauditorium placements the other week. I'm really disappointed with myself. 😳🙄😔 😖 I need to write 100 lines: 'If you didn't notice it first time round then it really doesn't matter.' ✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻 |
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Yes, just after the scores and the shouting from Karen and Joanne.
How sad am I watching it again? I said I wasn't going to do that after giving in and tracking Kevin's Clauditorium placements the other week. I'm really disappointed with myself. 😳🙄😔 😖 I need to write 100 lines: 'If you didn't notice it first time round then it really doesn't matter.' ✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻 |
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Just looked like banter - Anton patted Kevin on the back after the marks were given, and I think Kevin thought Natalie had done it. Banter ensued - nothing sinister by the look of it.
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I need to write 100 lines: 'If you didn't notice it first time round then it really doesn't matter.' ✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻✍🏻
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You can hear Anton mutter something through his teeth under his breath as Claudia reads out the voting numbers, and that's what Kevin and Natalie are laughing at. No idea what it is though.
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I could be wrong, but usually when it's the other kind of "undermarked" yelling, it tends to be a huge crowd so maybe they're lost in the chaos.
But it's funny how when they do it for Kevin and whoever he's partnered with, it's fairly obvious because nobody else is doing it. It kind of skews the impression when it sticks out like a sore thumb like that. And I think your second paragraph is untrue as well - there have been plenty of instances in the past where lots of people have been shouting support for Kevin and his celeb partner - whether it's "undermarked" "10, 10, 10" or just general cheering is irrelevant - it's all support. Quite how anyone can ignore all of that and claim that family members supporting each other means they're some sort of exclusive clique never joined by anyone else nor supporting anyone else is beyond me. |
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Surely your first paragraph disproves what you pretty much stated as fact in your previous post?
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It's interesting isn't it. I work with two couples in my job (both met a work and have stayed together) in a small department of 16 and they go out of their way to avoid this sort of 'favouritism'. They go out of their way to remain neutral on their partners' decisions/suggestions because they know this can make other people feel very uncomfortable/ganged up on/excluded. I have no idea what is said at home, but in the workplace they are as neutral as they can be - and so no one feels it's a issue.
If Joanne and Karen were calling out about Greg or Daisy, I can get that. But surely they can see it isn't appropriate to do this for their family? Clearly they are biased, so their comments look silly; and it creates an atmosphere with the other contestants. If they were in my workplace, someone would take them aside and tell them (nicely) to grow up. |
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As factual as I can be without standing right in the room, yes. If you can tell me you've been in the room and know better, go for it.
I don't need to be in the room - as you said yourself, there are lots of cheers from the whole group for contestants all the time, so the clear implication from that is that Joanne and Karen do support people other than Kevin as well. That much is obvious from watching any of the live shows anyway, so I'm not sure how anyone can claim they're not supportive of others. |
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Admittedly I haven't read the whole thread but surely as the marks are awarded to the contestant then their praise and encouragement was for Louise. This ties in with what I read somewhere else...that the Clifton's have been rallying round to boost Louise's confidence. It's a long time since I've seen someone who's lost themselves so completely, although I think Daisy was not far behind her.
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As factual as I can be without standing right in the room, yes. If you can tell me you've been in the room and know better, go for it.
I've watched Kavanagh (I'm an expert) |
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I'm of the view that everyone should get equal support (preferably before they go out and perform) and that no co competitors are judgemental; you congratulate everyone and find something positive to say. It is for the judges and public to be judgemental. So I don't like the undermarked shouting from anyone (particularly in support of a highly marked celeb/pro couple) because if no one shouts 'undermarked' for a couple it looks unsupportive by default
When I started medallist competitions some years ago, I experienced inadvertent cliquiness (is that a word?) in that I was a private lesson competitor and others were from group lessons. It felt quite alienating. I emphasise that my behaviour was by no means perfect. You become less sensitive to others' emotions when the adrenaline is pumping. I found that being supportive to others gives a feelgood feeling and is beneficial to your own performance, but I think that supportiveness has to be across the board. So I do feel Jo and Karen went too far in making a big thing of Kevin/Louise's marking, even though I'm not suggesting that they are not generally supportive of all the celebs. |
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I'm of the view that everyone should get equal support (preferably before they go out and perform) and that no co competitors are judgemental; you congratulate everyone and find something positive to say. It is for the judges and public to be judgemental. So I don't like the undermarked shouting from anyone (particularly in support of a highly marked celeb/pro couple) because if no one shouts 'undermarked' for a couple it looks unsupportive by default
When I started medallist competitions some years ago, I experienced inadvertent cliquiness (is that a word?) in that I was a private lesson competitor and others were from group lessons. It felt quite alienating. I emphasise that my behaviour was by no means perfect. You become less sensitive to others' emotions when the adrenaline is pumping. I found that being supportive to others gives a feelgood feeling and is beneficial to your own performance, but I think that supportiveness has to be across the board. So I do feel Jo and Karen went too far in making a big thing of Kevin/Louise's marking, even though I'm not suggesting that they are not generally supportive of all the celebs. we made a decision and said if you cannot cheer for all you do not cheer at all it didnt go down well with the cliquey kids but they had to accept it |
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I like the Cliftons (there seems to be a lot of them) but yes it seems a bit insular with them. Give it a rest Clifties .....it's not all about you lot
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I thought you meant Jo and Karen only ever cheered for Kevin (and none of the others) but you mean that they alone cheer for him??


I'm sure two de-mob happy forumers can create a bit of a stir

