Because the show's production department make it so.

It's almost like junior school flirting where to be kicked by a boy meant that he secretly fancied you.

Craig is a stage director... he is experience enough to know what facial expression annoys people... and rinders expresion is one of them... its overly exagerated.. it come across fake.

He also should know how to advise without disrespecting another . Its not rocket science its just good manners

He's not. Rinder just whines about it a lot. Craig has been just as honest in the past and about things that are much more difficult to correct - like Rickey Whittles legs.

The gurning is annoying. He could just stop doing it.

Exactly. Craig likes to undermines the celebs by pointing out things that are difficult to nigh impossible to correct whilst offering nothing constructive to help and adding personal vinegar to his voice.

That's my take on it, yeah. He knows Rinder can take it, and dish it out as well.

How is it undermining to have a target? That's constructive criticism - whether it's to stop gurning, think about your hand position or work on a weakness on your legs or shoulder.

The thing is that Rickie Whittle worked on it and got better rather then answer back all the time and moan.

Are you serious? Pointing out something is not constructive. It's awareness that makes a difference and that is a combination of what one does plus how it could be altered. Any of us could make the comments Craig does about Robert's face. And? How does he change? Let's hear what you've heard from Craig that is constructive on this matter. I await your answer.

PS Stop doing something is not constructive criticism. Were it so easy to just stop then celebs would.

STOP GURNING!!! Where's the difficulty?

How many weeks does Craig have to point out it is inappropriate in most dances before Rinder just listens and does it?

It's easy to correct. Greg was asked to work on his performance and Claudia to lose her gymnasts stance and become more fluid, Danny to work on his posture. Those are much more difficult to achieve.

As much as I love Rinder and hope he stays a long while, exactly how hard is it (to the point where some people in this thread are calling it impossible) to close your mouth? It's not like he's being asked to correct posture, pidgeon-toed feet, undo a lifetime of gymnastics/athletic training, learn how to act when they've never acted before in their life, etc. He's just being asked to stop looking like a suffocating goldfish. How is this hard, let alone "impossible"?

Ok, you don't get it. Something that is habitual is going to need ideas, i.e. constructive criticism, to correct. Learning something new does not require the same ideas. The fact that you do not comprehend this makes this an impotent and sterile conversation. That's my observation of you with no constructive comment as Craig offers Robert each week.

It's multi tasking though. He has remember to close his mouth, whilst getting his posture, footwork and timing right. If something has to give, I would put facial expressions as the lowest priority.

I've wondered about that and I don't like the only explanation I can come up with which is that it is agreed beforehand and scripted. I SO don't want to think that.

Is it that white bear thing?

Don't think about a white bear instructions automatically put polar bears in everybody's brain. If Darcey gave one of her lovely physical bits of advice that she used to give in earlier series to help a dancer, that would be constructive because it would give the bloke something to do. I don't know what that would be... To think about something else other than what his body is doing.

Maybe it's his beginner-ness. He's having to focus so hard on remembering the routine because it's not yet internalised and natural to him. And we're getting concentration face.

Can I be plain? Rinder isn't my favourite. I just like him along with many of the others, in a way that's individual to him. So I've not got a For or an Against really. But I have never, ever, ever even noticed his expressions. How Craig has managed to take against them is strange to me

I don't mind his facial expressions sometimes, like that Quckstep seemed perfect for his gawping. It fit the mood of the dance.

My question is why is it that everyone else is expected to do all these things at this point in the series (it is week 9 now, after all), but it's picking on Rinder to ask him to do the same thing?

He's better than this. He's not Ed Balls, and he deserves to be scrutinized like everyone else.

He should ask Ore if he can borrow that ginger Charleston beard

Now that will be stuck in my nightmares forever.

Ugh... it was a truly horrible thing.

Actually though, when you mentioned Ed Balls that did make me think of a difference in his routines that could possibly help Judge R. Ed has often been given a character to play, like the green face thing or Oliver Hardy, and even in 'straight' performances he's often got a bit of a story to tell. It may be easier for Rinder to compose his face differently if he has a role to play instead of it being *himself*. Possibly.

It's not that complex. You and I have behavioural habits. We never notice them. Then we start dancing and do x and y. X and y are problematic when dancing. Craig tells us that and then ... If we were able to not x and y we would desist. But if x and y are subliminal, worse, integral to our being, how do we desist? Robert has made it clear he does not make these expressions in court. He attributes his dance expressions to joy. So where is he left? What ideas do those experts have? I use expertlies loosely as Brendan tell us series upon series they are not. I think Craig has nothing to offer Robert but negative put down. His put down has an energy that goes beyond critical for its own sake and lacking constructiveness.

the thing is every time he is overly excited... he open his mouth like goofy the dog... which is most of the time inappropriate.

Yep. I reckon he's been 'gurning'', for want of a better word, all his life - one of those facial tics he probably doesn't even know he's got. Far from easy to eradicate just like that.

I noticed them in QS more in the replay than when watching the original performance, didn't notice them there. I was far more interested in how fleet of foot he was.

Of course he knows he's doing it. He's been told for the last 7 week to tone it down and he'd have to be blind not to know he does it. And what does he do in response?

Gurn, eye roll and whinge that he's being picked on.

It's not Craig's fault that he's still mentioning this it's Rinsders for ignoring the judges criticism.

BIB He absolutely does. I watched a couple of You Tube programmes with him as a judge. He pouts, rolls his eyes, purses his lips, looks shocked, glances at his courtroom assistant and pretends to stifle a laugh. 'Playing to the camera' was invented for him.