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Old 26-11-2016, 13:54
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They announced Capaldi before the 50th anniversary and technically a year before Series 8 even aired.

Assuming there is a new Doctor on the way, I get the feeling they'll announce the new guy before Series 10 airs as Series 11 would have to begin filming in summer 2017 to air in spring 2018.
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Old 26-11-2016, 14:31
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I can't help thinking that if Capaldi does leave, it won't be such a bad thing. People act like if he goes with Moffat, he's barely gotten started but he'll have had three full series, four Christmas specials, appearances in both the 50th anniversary and Christmas 2013, in an episode of Class (possibly a second appearance if the show gets another series) as well as playing different characters in a liked Tenth Doctor story and the most successful series of Torchwood.

Truthfully, he's actually done quite a lot and I still can't help that it will benefit the show and Chibnall to have a complete overhaul going into Series 11.

Also this video from 5WF sums it up a little better .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNpHkCc1FLw
That just says to me that he's barely scratched the surface and still has so much more to offer in the role, and that's with acclaimed episodes like Heaven Sent, The Zygon Inversion and Listen under his belt.
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Old 26-11-2016, 14:39
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That just says to me that he's barely scratched the surface and still has so much more to offer in the role, and that's with acclaimed episodes like Heaven Sent, The Zygon Inversion and Listen under his belt.
He's had two series on the air and a third that's currently being filmed. He's more than scratched the surface to be honest and his era while I like it hasn't clicked with wider audiences. I honestly think it would be strange if we don't get a new Doctor going into Chibnall's era. I like his Doctor but the series needs an overhaul in every aspect for it to recapture audiences that it's lost.
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Old 26-11-2016, 14:40
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I can't see Capaldi staying on in 2018.
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Old 26-11-2016, 14:43
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I understand the recent conventional "wisdom" that says showrunner and Doctor ought to leave at the same time. Fresh start, clean slate and all that. At the same time, I can't help but wonder what PC's Doctor would be like under a different showrunner.

Some here aren't fond of his Doctor and believe it's because of their dislike of SM's writing rather than PC's portrayal. If you feel that way, isn't PC worth a try under CC? Even just half a season and a really good handover/regeneration story? We'd certainly find out whether it's because of the writing.

It would open up the possibilty of having the next Doctor appear before the regeneration. A future Doctor properly involved in an adventure with the current Doctor is not possible normally for obvious practical, real world reasons. A multi Doctor story from a different Doctor's point of view. A bit of timey-wimey fun, perhaps? Aside from the watcher, I don't recall that being done before.

I don't count PC's eyebrows.
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Old 26-11-2016, 15:09
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I just think it's already set in stone. If people haven't connected with Capaldi's Doctor by now, then they're not likely to even with another showrunner. Better off starting anew.
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Old 26-11-2016, 15:21
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I just think it's already set in stone. If people haven't connected with Capaldi's Doctor by now, then they're not likely to even with another showrunner. Better off starting anew.
So because some people don't like him those who do are likely to be denied the chance of seeing him in better stories. That's all right then.
We had to put up with it being the Clara and that bloke show for so long he deserves the chance to really go for it.
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Old 26-11-2016, 15:26
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I'm 99.9% sure that if there is to be a new Doctor for series 11, then the actor in question has already been cast and is waiting for the day he doesn't have to keep the secret anymore.[/b]
I doubt it unless Chibnall had someone in mind, offered to them and they accepted.

I would guess Chibnall's been too busy with Broadchurch so far this year to have taken part in a full blown audition process for the next Doctor.

If they are casting a new Doctor I would think it's only now that things are gearing up with them hoping to have someone cast by early next year (with an announcement just prior to Series 10 airing).


Generally, it seems, if people and the media are aware enough of a change to be speculating, then it's already long since happened.
IIRC there was only a few weeks between Matt Smith getting the role (a little before Christmas) and the announcement (early January).
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Old 26-11-2016, 15:57
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All we know for sure is nothing at all, and what has happened before, which might not be relevant.

I believe nothing has been heard or said about PC continuing or leaving.

That's because either a) PC is continuing or b) casting has already happened and it's secret.

As far I can tell It's just as you might expect at this stage with nothing yet to distinguish between the options. Both look the same because of lack of information/announcements, as you might expect.

What can you do? It is what it is. All is pointless speculation at the moment.
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Old 26-11-2016, 18:27
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I'd assume they'd use the casting announcement as an attempt to generate publicity that would boost interest in a forthcoming series. So I'd expect any new actor to be announced in the run-up to the 10th series.

I wonder if Moffat would do anything like start series 10 with a surprise regeneration from Capaldi into the 13th (making this episode the way the BBC reveals who the next actor will be), then have the story arc for the remaining episodes being the events leading up to that regeneration? The series could end where it began, with Capaldi regenerating.
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Old 26-11-2016, 18:39
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I'd assume they'd use the casting announcement as an attempt to generate publicity that would boost interest in a forthcoming series. So I'd expect any new actor to be announced in the run-up to the 10th series.

I wonder if Moffat would do anything like start series 10 with a surprise regeneration from Capaldi into the 13th (making this episode the way the BBC reveals who the next actor will be), then have the story arc for the remaining episodes being the events leading up to that regeneration? The series could end where it began, with Capaldi regenerating.
Almost like what he had planned for S5 had Tennant stayed on, except I don't think we would have seen his successor until the end of the series.
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Old 26-11-2016, 20:08
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I'd assume they'd use the casting announcement as an attempt to generate publicity that would boost interest in a forthcoming series. So I'd expect any new actor to be announced in the run-up to the 10th series.

I wonder if Moffat would do anything like start series 10 with a surprise regeneration from Capaldi into the 13th (making this episode the way the BBC reveals who the next actor will be), then have the story arc for the remaining episodes being the events leading up to that regeneration? The series could end where it began, with Capaldi regenerating.
It would have to carry on till the 2017 Christmas special since we know that's still moffat/capaldi which would be stretching things too much imo.

You could maybe have the new doctor appear at some point in series 10 but as I said a 13 episode story arc (with a 6 month gap before ep 13) leading up to the regeneration would be too much
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Old 26-11-2016, 20:28
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I doubt it unless Chibnall had someone in mind, offered to them and they accepted.

I would guess Chibnall's been too busy with Broadchurch so far this year to have taken part in a full blown audition process for the next Doctor.

If they are casting a new Doctor I would think it's only now that things are gearing up with them hoping to have someone cast by early next year (with an announcement just prior to Series 10 airing).
I very much doubt your view. Just look at the casting so far with Doctors and companions so far. Always way ahead of when they will actually need them for the filming. With a show as complex as this one, they simply can't leave anything too late, and casting the lead is the most important part of that.

Assuming a spring 2018 start, series 11 would start filming next summer/early Autumn, meaning Chibnall would likely have already had to start writing scripts now, or very soon so that props/locations/effects/budgeting/editing etc for those episodes can all take place before those episodes can be filmed - and there's just no way he'd be writing those scripts without a leading man in place.




IIRC there was only a few weeks between Matt Smith getting the role (a little before Christmas) and the announcement (early January).
Do you have a source on this? I only ask because I remember him talking about having to keep the secret in a way which made it seem like he had to keep it for a while.

Anyway, even if that is correct, Tennants to leave had been made and was known by RTD and Moffat when series 4 was filming (as talked about in the writers tale), so it at least proves that everyone involved in the show knew Tennant was leaving well before the public did, so i'd still say that half of the change at least was known well before they announced it and gave the press and public time to start speculating. My main point really, is that just because you haven't heard anything, doesn't mean it hasn't already happened. They announce things as they see fit at the time.

In the current particular case, I'd think that due to time constraints, they'd have wanted to dive into casting a lead man as soon as, or certainly soon after, the decision on Capaldi leaving was made (if indeed he is leaving)


The fact that Capaldi leaving would require secrecy until the right time, and Capaldi staying would effectively be 'business as usual' and would require no secrecy and would have been able to have been said by now is what makes me think that Capaldi will indeed be leaving.
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Old 26-11-2016, 22:07
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Do you have a source on this? I only ask because I remember him talking about having to keep the secret in a way which made it seem like he had to keep it for a while.
Pretty sure he said it himself in the DWC announcement program in Jan 2009.

It's also mentioned in this BBC article

He was cast over Christmas and will begin filming for the fifth series of Doctor Who in the summer.
So he was only cast 6 - 7 months before he started filming which is about the same timescale I suggested for the possible new Doctor.
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Old 26-11-2016, 22:29
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Pretty sure he said it himself in the DWC announcement program in Jan 2009.

It's also mentioned in this BBC article


So he was only cast 6 - 7 months before he started filming which is about the same timescale I suggested for the possible new Doctor.

He doesn't say it in the video in that article of him in the announcement show, and the text vaguely says 'over Christmas' like the person writing the article didn't really know. I would guess only Moffat, Matt and one or two others know the actual day Moffat called to give him the job.

Besides, even if it's correct and he was officially given the job in December, then I think it's fair to assume that would mean that the auditions took place in late November/early December, so on that basis I would think that if there is to be a new Doctor for series 11, then at this point if the actor hadn't quite been chosen, they'd likely at least have started/about to start the audition process.
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Old 27-11-2016, 10:21
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I understand the recent conventional "wisdom" that says showrunner and Doctor ought to leave at the same time. Fresh start, clean slate and all that. At the same time, I can't help but wonder what PC's Doctor would be like under a different showrunner.

Some here aren't fond of his Doctor and believe it's because of their dislike of SM's writing rather than PC's portrayal. If you feel that way, isn't PC worth a try under CC? Even just half a season and a really good handover/regeneration story? We'd certainly find out whether it's because of the writing.

It would open up the possibilty of having the next Doctor appear before the regeneration. A future Doctor properly involved in an adventure with the current Doctor is not possible normally for obvious practical, real world reasons. A multi Doctor story from a different Doctor's point of view. A bit of timey-wimey fun, perhaps? Aside from the watcher, I don't recall that being done before.

I don't count PC's eyebrows.

This idea would be really neat if they, a couple of years later, showed it from the other Doctor's perspective so that the two, watched back to back, made a yin and yang kind of aspect. They would have to be filmed at the same time in order to make it work, but that would be a very interesting study in presentation.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:08
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I don't think people should assume because something worked a certain way in the past, regarding how far in advance they knew a actor was leaving and how far in advance they hired a new actor, that means it has to or will always work in the same way...
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Old 27-11-2016, 16:55
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I think for the next Doctor it should come as a shock in the Series, like having The cast and crew sneak the next guy in away from prying eyes. Nowadays it feels like a constant countdown for the next regeneration and the next one, when we should be cherising the hopping from planet to planet and adventures although granted I do understand how people don't feel that way in the current era of the show.

That way people wouldn't be able to prejudge like a year before, like I'm sure David Tennant won many people over when he debuted briefly at the end of The Parting of The Way and in Children in Need's Born Again.

And Many people wouldn't have been able to prejudge Christopher Eccleston because he was the first of the modern Doctors and many people didn't have anyone to compare him to because he was their first except for the Fans of the classic.

So IMO I think they should just scrap Announcements and just make it happen make The Doctor randomly get shot or something, and don't overhype their leaving like RTD did for DT's Doctor, as it can make one too attached.
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Old 27-11-2016, 18:00
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I don't think people should assume because something worked a certain way in the past, regarding how far in advance they knew a actor was leaving and how far in advance they hired a new actor, that means it has to or will always work in the same way...
Maybe not exactly the same, but due to the nature of the show, it's always going to have to plan ahead way more than the average casual viewer would realise.

If Capaldi is leaving after 2017, Id be utterly astounded if it was revealed that it hadn't yet been decided at this point. I feel that things must surely have been finalised regarding Capaldi's end of things, even if they haven't yet quite got someone to replace him. There is only about 8-9 months until they'd have to start filming series 11.

I think for the next Doctor it should come as a shock in the Series, like having The cast and crew sneak the next guy in away from prying eyes. Nowadays it feels like a constant countdown for the next regeneration and the next one, when we should be cherising the hopping from planet to planet and adventures although granted I do understand how people don't feel that way in the current era of the show.

That way people wouldn't be able to prejudge like a year before, like I'm sure David Tennant won many people over when he debuted briefly at the end of The Parting of The Way and in Children in Need's Born Again.

And Many people wouldn't have been able to prejudge Christopher Eccleston because he was the first of the modern Doctors and many people didn't have anyone to compare him to because he was their first except for the Fans of the classic.

So IMO I think they should just scrap Announcements and just make it happen make The Doctor randomly get shot or something, and don't overhype their leaving like RTD did for DT's Doctor, as it can make one too attached.
I would love it if, just for once at least, they could make the regeneration a surprise. It would be so amazing not to expect it, then suddenly, just like that, new Doctor.

Announcing the Doctor leaving, his successor, and the story in which the change will occur takes so much of the episode excitement of wow factor that there could potentially be if we didn't know it was coming.
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:15
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This idea would be really neat if they, a couple of years later, showed it from the other Doctor's perspective so that the two, watched back to back, made a yin and yang kind of aspect. They would have to be filmed at the same time in order to make it work, but that would be a very interesting study in presentation.

A game called "Grand Theft Auto 4" does that kind of thing. You play as three different characters in three separate installments of the game, but in a few levels they meet, so in those instances, you are in effect playing the same level from three different perspectives.
ie: when things turn bad, each one escapes via a different route.

It works pretty well, Doctor Who would probably do it quite nicely.
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Old 28-11-2016, 14:36
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Tennant was also announced while Eccleston's series was airing as well.

Just saying is all.
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Old 28-11-2016, 14:48
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Is it just me or is the idea of keeping a regeneration a surprise, as some here want, less interesting?

I like the build-up with the new Doctor already known. You can get preconceptions in your head and build up anticipation etc for a new era. That is the fun to me with the regeneration aspect of the show.

It's fun guessing in your head how the show is going to change with a new lead for months and months beforehand.

Being foisted with a new incarnation all of a sudden and with a surprise is kind of flat to me. Yeah, the intitial change will be interesting but because there's been no build-up, it will all fall rather flat very fast for me...
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Old 28-11-2016, 14:52
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About 2 million extra viewers tuned for the final 10 minutes of The Time of the Doctor specifically to see the regeneration. So whilst a surprise regeneration might be fun, it would miss a trick in terms of publicity/viewers.
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Old 28-11-2016, 15:03
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Tennant was also announced while Eccleston's series was airing as well.

Just saying is all.
I think that was the time when we *could've* had a 'surprise' regeneration. Which I believe was the hope. And then we had the news that Eccleston was leaving break before his second episode was shown! Whether that is desirable or not is a matter of opinion but personally I think if Mr Tennant had popped up in a shock ending it would've been great. Imagine watching TPOTW and thinking "hang on? What?!!" when Nine says "But I'm gonna change."

Nowadays.....not a chance.
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Old 28-11-2016, 15:41
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About 2 million extra viewers tuned for the final 10 minutes of The Time of the Doctor specifically to see the regeneration. So whilst a surprise regeneration might be fun, it would miss a trick in terms of publicity/viewers.
Which is why it won't be done.

Having that prior knowledge means they can promote the episode in question more effectively, knowing more people are likely to tune in to see it happen as well.
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