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Winkleman/Daly time to change
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ianmatt
14-11-2016
Surely the time has come for the BBC to change take, such a dormant dull pair of presenters no chemistry, no talent, no humour, just bland.

I could see Daly as ornament in the past but her day has gone as she rapidly ages, Winkleman is nepotism of the highest proportions, her mother was good though she isn't.

Zoe Ball and a replacement for Forsyth could move things forward, BBC can't rely on Ed Balls for the humour every year.
Doghouse Riley
14-11-2016
Sorry, what you've said is posted several times every year and won't happen.
The BBC are more than happy with the situation. "It isn't broke so they aren't going to fix it."
ianmatt
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Sorry, what you've said is posted several times every year and won't happen.
The BBC are more than happy with the situation. "It isn't broke so they aren't going to fix it."”

It ain't broke because Cow has made a mess of the alternative. Before long there will be a rebirth from ITV Saturday night and then the BBC will have to do better.

Improve while you are on top and my word there is plenty easily that can be done on this show.
Paul_DNAP
14-11-2016
I don't follow your logic of saying Claudia Winkleman is "nepotism of the highest proportions" just because she has a reasonably well known parent, but then go on to say Zoe Ball would be an acceptable replacement - she also has a well known parent, so why are you not tarring her with the same brush?

In anycase, Doghouse sums up the correct response to most of your other concerns.
jiroos
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“Surely the time has come for the BBC to change take, such a dormant dull pair of presenters no chemistry, no talent, no humour, just bland.

I could see Daly as ornament in the past but her day has gone as she rapidly ages, Winkleman is nepotism of the highest proportions, her mother was good though she isn't.

Zoe Ball and a replacement for Forsyth could move things forward, BBC can't rely on Ed Balls for the humour every year.”

I did a poll here recently (shock horror!!!) to ask who would be FMs preferred presenting duo if the BBC were to sack Daly & Winkleman. I was as shocked as anyone that, despite the mass of negativity against them on these boards, NOBODY actually wanted them booted...AMAZING!!!

So ianmatt, just a heads up - you are fighting a losing battle here. Tess and Claude are, in fact, universally LOVED!
Doghouse Riley
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“It ain't broke because Cow has made a mess of the alternative. Before long there will be a rebirth from ITV Saturday night and then the BBC will have to do better.

Improve while you are on top and my word there is plenty easily that can be done on this show.”

You have to look at the economics. The BBC threw money at this show until it beat X-Factor in the ratings.
Ratings are the driving force behind any BBC show.

I really don't think they will increase by much more.

The latest ploy of Louise Rainbow is to chase the teen audience watching X-Factor, (those that stay in on a Saturday night) by introducing a professional "just out of puberty," who will be here next year, with another teenage celebrity.

As with all shows, once they are successful, they will be looking at ways and means now to save money.
This won't mean unnecessary expenditure on "big name" presenters, who have been proved to be not really needed.

The "core target audience" like this show as it is. Dance enthusiasts aren't the major part of it.
PinkDiamond
14-11-2016
I like them both....

....I'll get my coat
Moany Liza
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“Surely the time has come for the BBC to change take, such a dormant dull pair of presenters no chemistry, no talent, no humour, just bland.

I could see Daly as ornament in the past but her day has gone as she rapidly ages, Winkleman is nepotism of the highest proportions, her mother was good though she isn't.

Zoe Ball and a replacement for Forsyth could move things forward, BBC can't rely on Ed Balls for the humour every year.”

Yay, misogyny and ageism at its very best.

I may not think Tess is the most charismatic presenter in the world but she knows the show inside out and is perfectly competent to be its main anchor.

Claudia is funny, perceptive and makes an excellent stooge to work alongside Tess as the straight woman.

It's time people moved with the times and accepted that the traditional format of older male presenter as anchor with a vacant but visually attractive dollybird as his spangled assistant has no particular place in 21st century society.
hansue
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“I did a poll here recently (shock horror!!!) to ask who would be FMs preferred presenting duo if the BBC were to sack Daly & Winkleman. I was as shocked as anyone that, despite the mass of negativity against them on these boards, NOBODY actually wanted them booted...AMAZING!!!

So ianmatt, just a heads up - you are fighting a losing battle here. Tess and Claude are, in fact, universally LOVED!”

Not loved by me I'm afraid
ianmatt
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Yay, misogyny and ageism at its very best.

I may not think Tess is the most charismatic presenter in the world but she knows the show inside out and is perfectly competent to be its main anchor.

Claudia is funny, perceptive and makes an excellent stooge to work alongside Tess as the straight woman.

It's time people moved with the times and accepted that the traditional format of older male presenter as anchor with a vacant but visually attractive dollybird as his spangled assistant has no particular place in 21st century society. ”

Well that is exactly how they did use Daly, looking good but not doing or saying very much with Forsyth, now the vacuous airhead presenter who struggles to speak English, even off a board, what is the point of her on the box.

Winkleman isn't funny and when her lack of ability is exposed like her attempts on the radio the results were predictable.
shaunsheep
14-11-2016
Claudia is a very intelligent woman with a very quirky sense of humour loved by me from her time hosting IT2. Sometimes I'm sure her not so funny interludes with Tess are scripted for her. She really shines left to her own devices with celebraties and professionals alike.
Moany Liza
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“Well that is exactly how they did use Daly, looking good but not doing or saying very much with Forsyth, now the vacuous airhead presenter who struggles to speak English, even off a board, what is the point of her on the box.

Winkleman isn't funny and when her lack of ability is exposed like her attempts on the radio the results were predictable.”

Er yes.... that's why I commented on why it was appropriate to change the format. Tess is perfectly competent, if lacking in charisma, but at least she can't be accused of trying to make the show all about herself. She may not be the life and soul of the party but she does at least understand that it is the contestants who are the primary focus of the show and she performs her role adequately and without trying to be something she is not.

If you think Claudia isn't funny, that's your prerogative but it's apparent that this is not a view which is universally shared. One thing SHE is able to do, which Tess cannot is think on her feet, be spontaneous and ad lib as required. On that basis, she is a great asset and works well in the role to which she is assigned.
broadshoulder
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“I did a poll here recently (shock horror!!!) to ask who would be FMs preferred presenting duo if the BBC were to sack Daly & Winkleman. I was as shocked as anyone that, despite the mass of negativity against them on these boards, NOBODY actually wanted them booted...AMAZING!!!

So ianmatt, just a heads up - you are fighting a losing battle here. Tess and Claude are, in fact, universally LOVED!”

Not by me....

Claudia's jokes are awful
madetomeasure
14-11-2016
I honestly don't see the problem with Tess; i see her as harmless and Claudia doesn't conform to the norm
ianmatt
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Er yes.... that's why I commented on why it was appropriate to change the format. Tess is perfectly competent, if lacking in charisma, but at least she can't be accused of trying to make the show all about herself. She may not be the life and soul of the party but she does at least understand that it is the contestants who are the primary focus of the show and she performs her role adequately and without trying to be something she is not.

If you think Claudia isn't funny, that's your prerogative but it's apparent that this is not a view which is universally shared. One thing SHE is able to do, which Tess cannot is think on her feet, be spontaneous and ad lib as required. On that basis, she is a great asset and works well in the role to which she is assigned. ”

It is all totally scripted, since Forsyth departed all spontaneity has gone and all they can trust Winkleman with is kindergarten humour. Yes like Daly she knows the score and would never rock the boat but surely better should be expected.
Moany Liza
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by shaunsheep:
“Claudia is a very intelligent woman with a very quirky sense of humour loved by me from her time hosting IT2. Sometimes I'm sure her not so funny interludes with Tess are scripted for her. She really shines left to her own devices with celebraties and professionals alike.”

Definitely. Those are always intended to be awful puns or alleged misunderstandings... but usually as her own expense. They're just intended to be fillers I suppose, for prop re-arrangement.

You're right though, she is really good when left to her own devices in the Clauditorium.
katt
14-11-2016
I like Tess and Claudia and think they work really well together

I dont want a change thank you
Moany Liza
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“It is all totally scripted, since Forsyth departed all spontaneity has gone and all they can trust Winkleman with is kindergarten humour. Yes like Daly she knows the score and would never rock the boat but surely better should be expected.”

How can the post dance chat be scripted? She has no idea what the responses to her questions are going to be? She reacts to whatever they say to her and responds accordingly. They have no idea how many seconds it will be until the judges have their marks ready, so it's all ad-libbing.
ianmatt
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Definitely. Those are always intended to be awful puns or alleged misunderstandings... but usually as her own expense. They're just intended to be fillers I suppose, for prop re-arrangement.

You're right though, she is really good when left to her own devices in the Clauditorium. ”

All totally scripted.
ianmatt
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“How can the post dance chat be scripted? She has no idea what the responses to her questions are going to be? She reacts to whatever they say to her and responds accordingly. They have no idea how many seconds it will be until the judges have their marks ready, so it's all ad-libbing.”

Sorry to shatter your illusions but it is all totally scripted, Winkleman is not capable of doing other than she is told. Pre prepared questions and answers the marks are irrelevant.
Moany Liza
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“All totally scripted.”

Unless you're a member of the production crew, which I doubt, I'm going by what I can see for myself.

You apparently don't see the same as me, on account of those colossal blinkers you have applied. It's your prerogative to wear them, of course - but unless you have insider knowledge, I prefer to trust my own instincts rather than those of someone with an apparent axe to grind.
Moany Liza
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“Sorry to shatter your illusions but it is all totally scripted, Winkleman is not capable of doing other than she is told. Pre prepared questions and answers the marks are irrelevant.”

Ow wow! You really DO have it bad, don't you.

Lighten up before you drown in your own gall.
madetomeasure
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“Sorry to shatter your illusions but it is all totally scripted, Winkleman is not capable of doing other than she is told. Pre prepared questions and answers the marks are irrelevant.”

Len's quips are scripted, IMO, but you don't have a problem with that? Those quips are too sharp for him to randomly throw them out Ashe does every series. What programmes aren't scripted anyway?
Moany Liza
14-11-2016
Laughing my head off at the pompous way of referring to Tess and Claudia only by their surnames!

The OP is Angry Frank and I claim my five pounds!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqncRvQHWk
Domestos
14-11-2016
They haven't broken any glass ceilings but I love that two women are presenting the show.

And especially an old hag at that. JC, op, the woman is beautiful.
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