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Winkleman/Daly time to change
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Kitty_Martinez
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by PinkDiamond:
“I like them both....

....I'll get my coat”

I'll join you.
penelopesimpson
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by davedub:
“Patrick Kielty would be a great choice”

That's what I think. And he could do it with Kat. Patrick is much under-rated.
penelopesimpson
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“I'm not spoiling anything - nor am I getting personal. I was merely pointing out that someone who clearly and vociferously dislikes both presenters but thinks they speak for everyone else, is mistaken. That is not "getting personal" but rather establishing that he cannot speak for the entire nation. It's fine not to like them, if that's his opinion but there's no need to keep ramming that message home in quite such an abrasive manner as if his opinion holds more authority or weight than anyone else's.

It is clear that if the public were actively put off by Tess and Claudia, they would not watch but that apparently does not happen.

One of the things I like is the fact that neither Tess not Claudia are particularly over-exposed. They both have other things which call on their time, such as bringing up their children. Aside from Strictly, their other TV commitments are much less high profile.

I get a bit fed up seeing the same presenters being wheeled out time and time again until everyone is bored by their style of presentation and seeing their face on the screen. I love Graham Norton and i think he's enormously talented but I don't need to see him on the TV every time I switch on. Sometimes less is more but sadly it's one of the things that the BBC has still to learn.”

As you wish, but I can't help noticing that so often your posts contain comments about the posters. I should know - I've been on the receiving end of enough of them!

Anyway, I don't mind so if it makes you happy, whatever! I just think it's bad form.
penelopesimpson
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Why does it need more?

After all it is the celebrities learning to dance who are the "stars of the show". Not Tess, Claudia or even the Judges.”

You are making it too simplistic. When you go to a restaurant, the food is the 'star' of the show, but the evening is made up of so much more. The same applies with SCD - we need the show to be good in the round, not just 'and now we have contestant number 8.'
Moany Liza
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“As you wish, but I can't help noticing that so often your posts contain comments about the posters. I should know - I've been on the receiving end of enough of them!

Anyway, I don't mind so if it makes you happy, whatever! I just think it's bad form.”

It's rather ironic then that you have absolutely nothing to say about the rest of the content of my post... but prefer to focus on making comments about me instead.
Monaogg
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“You are making it too simplistic. When you go to a restaurant, the food is the 'star' of the show, but the evening is made up of so much more. The same applies with SCD - we need the show to be good in the round, not just 'and now we have contestant number 8.'”

When Bruce hosted he tried to make it all about him. Tess was very banal when it came to the after dance interviews. Now for me the balance is right. Straight forward introductions to the dancers, with a bit of levity and empathy whilst waiting for the scores.

A more in your face presenter would be the equivalent of a waiter constantly chivvying to take your order.
A.D.P
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“Surely the time has come for the BBC to change take, such a dormant dull pair of presenters no chemistry, no talent, no humour, just bland.

I could see Daly as ornament in the past but her day has gone as she rapidly ages, Winkleman is nepotism of the highest proportions, her mother was good though she isn't.

Zoe Ball and a replacement for Forsyth could move things forward, BBC can't rely on Ed Balls for the humour every year.”

Disagree.

It's a ten million viewer show, tops the ratings they do a brilliant job, and the negativity on this forum is limited to a few. The show tops the ratings, it can be live for two hours twenty minutes with Radom events.

They do a fantastic job.
edy10
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“I did a poll here recently (shock horror!!!) to ask who would be FMs preferred presenting duo if the BBC were to sack Daly & Winkleman. I was as shocked as anyone that, despite the mass of negativity against them on these boards, NOBODY actually wanted them booted...AMAZING!!!

So ianmatt, just a heads up - you are fighting a losing battle here. Tess and Claude are, in fact, universally LOVED!”



I like them. They're not perfect hosts by any means but they do a great job imo.
Luxray
14-11-2016
Sometimes I feel like the only one on DS that likes Tess

Claudia is not to everyone's taste understandably but I don't mind her (though having said that I find myself skipping her a lot on catchup).

I'd personally keep both for now.
Doghouse Riley
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“When Bruce hosted he tried to make it all about him. Tess was very banal when it came to the after dance interviews. Now for me the balance is right. Straight forward introductions to the dancers, with a bit of levity and empathy whilst waiting for the scores.

A more in your face presenter would be the equivalent of a waiter constantly chivvying to take your order.”

We could have done with one of those yesterday whilst waiting for our usual Sunday lunch in a pub restaurant. Some appear to be so busy, but seemingly walk around with their eyes shut.
londongirlGre
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Luxray:
“Sometimes I feel like the only one on DS that likes Tess

Claudia is not to everyone's taste understandably but I don't mind her (though having said that I find myself skipping her a lot on catchup).

I'd personally keep both for now.”

I like both of them. I don't want either of them to leave. They work well together on the show.
jiroos
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“I did a poll here recently (shock horror!!!) to ask who would be FMs preferred presenting duo if the BBC were to sack Daly & Winkleman. I was as shocked as anyone that, despite the mass of negativity against them on these boards, NOBODY actually wanted them booted...AMAZING!!!

So ianmatt, just a heads up - you are fighting a losing battle here. Tess and Claude are, in fact, universally LOVED!”

I stand corrected - it wasn't a poll (for once I hear you cry!!!) but a thread - see below:

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2185687
Cody1
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Yay, misogyny and ageism at its very best.

I may not think Tess is the most charismatic presenter in the world but she knows the show inside out and is perfectly competent to be its main anchor.

Claudia is funny, perceptive and makes an excellent stooge to work alongside Tess as the straight woman.

It's time people moved with the times and accepted that the traditional format of older male presenter as anchor with a vacant but visually attractive dollybird as his spangled assistant has no particular place in 21st century society. ”

Claudia is funny that's debatable .........i find it quite it cringy at the best of times, thankfully i have a mute button - Don't mind Tess, however if a change was announced id be happy. I'm obviously minority too, thats cool i can cope with that.
holly berry
14-11-2016
I'm happy for them to stay as long as they continue at their present level which is more than good enough for Strictly and much better than the Brucie - Tess combo was in his last 5 years on the show.
Moany Liza
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Cody1:
“Claudia is funny that's debatable .........i find it quite it cringy at the best of times, thankfully i have a mute button - Don't mind Tess, however if a change was announced id be happy. I'm obviously minority too, thats cool i can cope with that.”

Personal opinion. Likely to diverge form time to time.
James_Laverty
14-11-2016
I've said this before, and I'll say it again here since people are determined to open this can of worms again.


I am not a fan of Claudia Winkleman, I think that comes out quite often on here. But the fact of the matter is; Strictly is one of the highest rated shows on the BBC and both Tess and Claudia seem to be popular with the majority of the audience (if not on here), so why does anything have to be changed?
The Swampster
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by James_Laverty:
“I've said this before, and I'll say it again here since people are determined to open this can of worms again.


I am not a fan of Claudia Winkleman, I think that comes out quite often on here. But the fact of the matter is; Strictly is one of the highest rated shows on the BBC and both Tess and Claudia seem to be popular with the majority of the audience (if not on here), so why does anything have to be changed?”

I tend to agree. It was enormously successful with Bruce Forsyth, too, and I couldn't stand him. Tess and Claudia are a vast improvement in my view. My favourite Strictly presenter, by some distance, is Zoe Ball, but I'm sure plenty of people can't stand her, either.

For what it's worth, I think Tess's blandness is rather a good foil to the excessive 'personality' of the judges, the often emotional performers and the increasingly loopy Claudia.
ianmatt
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by James_Laverty:
“I've said this before, and I'll say it again here since people are determined to open this can of worms again.


I am not a fan of Claudia Winkleman, I think that comes out quite often on here. But the fact of the matter is; Strictly is one of the highest rated shows on the BBC and both Tess and Claudia seem to be popular with the majority of the audience (if not on here), so why does anything have to be changed?”

I think they have got lucky this year, Ed Balls is a one off phenomenon that has captured a lot of attention, they won't find another like that next year who can carry the whole series forward.

Good opportunity next year for a revamp, Goodman is going which is positive, why not Winkleman, possibly Daly too, stay ahead of the game because Cow will fight back, no question of that, Balls has held them off this year but no doubt without him a lot of questions would have been asked. When you go as low for fun as wrecking the terms and charges section it is clear a new direction is overdue.
Janet43
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“I think they have got lucky this year, Ed Balls is a one off phenomenon that has captured a lot of attention, they won't find another like that next year who can carry the whole series forward.

Good opportunity next year for a revamp, Goodman is going which is positive, why not Winkleman, possibly Daly too, stay ahead of the game because Cow will fight back, no question of that, Balls has held them off this year but no doubt without him a lot of questions would have been asked. When you go as low for fun as wrecking the terms and charges section it is clear a new direction is overdue.”

You obviously have great problems with Tess and Claudia, but it's the BBC who decide who will front the show. They can't have got it too wrong with the number of viewers that tune in each week.

The two women do what's asked of anchors - present, introduce and link without making it all about them - unlike the previous presenter and unlike some of the suggestions that have been made, and they do it extremely well (my opinion). It's a family show that has to appeal to all ages from 5 to 95 not just the age group that any individual poster fits in to, but some seem unable to consider that, and want what they want regardless of what anyone else may think.

The Op's opening sentence:

"Surely the time has come for the BBC to change take, such a dormant dull pair of presenters no chemistry, no talent, no humour, just bland."

is just an opinion of Tess and Claudia and nothing else - an opinion - not fact.
ianmatt
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“You obviously have great problems with Tess and Claudia, but it's the BBC who decide who will front the show. They can't have got it too wrong with the number of viewers that tune in each week.

The two women do what's asked of anchors - present, introduce and link without making it all about them - unlike the previous presenter and unlike some of the suggestions that have been made, and they do it extremely well (my opinion). It's a family show that has to appeal to all ages from 5 to 95 not just the age group that any individual poster fits in to, but some seem unable to consider that, and want what they want regardless of what anyone else may think.

The Op's opening sentence:

"Surely the time has come for the BBC to change take, such a dormant dull pair of presenters no chemistry, no talent, no humour, just bland."

is just an opinion of Tess and Claudia and nothing else - an opinion - not fact.”

It is an opinion but it can be fairly backed up neither of them have done anything else of note, despite being mid forties. When Winkleman has been put anywhere else that can't be strongly controlled she hasn't exactly pulled up any trees, a total disaster on the radio.

Yes the modern BBC way is stuff the peak programmes with rather anodyne presenters who are safe Daly and Winkleman are not the only ones Jones, Baker, Hollins, Walker are others but really for the TV Tax there should be better put on. These people will never get the status of the BBC light entertainment legends of the past too many people think they are crap and rightly so.

Plenty of other more talented options have been put forward on this thread and Ball for one has a better track record than either of these 2.
Doghouse Riley
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“It is an opinion but it can be fairly backed up neither of them have done anything else of note, despite being mid forties. When Winkleman has been put anywhere else that can't be strongly controlled she hasn't exactly pulled up any trees, a total disaster on the radio.

Yes the modern BBC way is stuff the peak programmes with rather anodyne presenters who are safe Daly and Winkleman are not the only ones Jones, Baker, Hollins, Walker are others but really for the TV Tax there should be better put on. These people will never get the status of the BBC light entertainment legends of the past too many people think they are crap and rightly so.

Plenty of other more talented options have been put forward on this thread and Ball for one has a better track record than either of these 2.”

That's really naive. A "better" presenter would cost a lot more money.

"These two" provide links. That's all that's required. We like to have a moan about them, but not many would want them changed.

Few would want to return to the days of the old codger where he tried to make it "his show."
Any "big name" would do the same. We've had enough of that.
Leicester_Hunk
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by ianmatt:
“Surely the time has come for the BBC to change take, such a dormant dull pair of presenters no chemistry, no talent, no humour, just bland.

I could see Daly as ornament in the past but her day has gone as she rapidly ages, Winkleman is nepotism of the highest proportions, her mother was good though she isn't.

Zoe Ball and a replacement for Forsyth could move things forward, BBC can't rely on Ed Balls for the humour every year.”

He'd be a funnier presenter than Claudia Winkleman who I cannot stand in this role. I like her on the other stuff she has done, but the moustache jokes, stupid one liners and so on are just not funny.
Moany Liza
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“That's really naive. A "better" presenter would cost a lot more money.

"These two" provide links. That's all that's required. We like to have a moan about them, but not many would want them changed.

Few would want to return to the days of the old codger where he tried to make it "his show."
Any "big name" would do the same. We've had enough of that.”

I agree. I don't like the implication that any big name presenter is more important than the show itself.

I'm actually put off by programmes which include the presenter's name in the title - unless it's an eponymous show such as the Graham Norton Show. I mean those sorts of things like "Penelope Keith's Whatever" or game shows in which the title includes the host's name. Same with those US sitcoms which rely on the name of the "star" in their title.

To me it implies that the content of the programme is so worthless that it needs the name of that presenter to be attached in order to persuade people to consider watching it.
Moany Liza
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Leicester_Hunk:
“He'd be a funnier presenter than Claudia Winkleman who I cannot stand in this role. I like her on the other stuff she has done, but the moustache jokes, stupid one liners and so on are just not funny.”

You seem to be missing the point that she's poking fun at that sort of humour by persisting with it in that blindingly obvious manner. That's why the premise of each "joke" is deliberately stage managed so precisely. The humour is in its complete lack of spontaneity - not its content.

It's called irony.
ianmatt
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“You seem to be missing the point that she's poking fun at that sort of humour by persisting with it in that blindingly obvious manner. That's why the premise of each "joke" is deliberately stage managed so precisely. The humour is in its complete lack of spontaneity - not its content.

It's called irony. ”

I would tend to think she isn't capable of anything more ambitious, so they give her that role which the average 8 year old could pull off.
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